The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III

VDT · Post #1561 » by **VDT** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:01 pm

I am repeating myself here but i dont like how he doesnt feel the need to score more. The team has invested a lot of him, rejecting trades that might have resulted in titles, his teammates try to accommodate him, with Embiid staying in the three point line when they play together, and yet he doesnt feel any need to be more active and decisive offensively.

Even if it works now, in the playoffs the team will need him to score otherwise it will be the same as last year. So he needs to force himself to start doing now what is gonna be needed from him in May.

Bum Adebayo · Post #1562 » by **Bum Adebayo** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:20 pm

Props to DraftExpress for sticking with their Ingram>Simmons correct prediction for so long and against many who mocked them.
There are more things other than talent, this is what many don't get, they think it is all about talent and there is no doubt Ben is more talented than Ingram. But when you have no motivation to improve and the other guy does, this makes all the difference in the end.

Post #1563 » by **Stanford** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:01 pm

(Ben Simmons is better than Brandon Ingram)

MambaJuice · Post #1564 » by **MambaJuice** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:12 pm

Ingram is getting good stats on a bad team. He does one thing better than Ben, which is shoot, but he's been a better shooter from day 1. KOC needs to put his boner away.

76ciology · Post #1565 » by **76ciology** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:08 pm

Stanford wrote:(Ben Simmons is better than Brandon Ingram)

Except that it’s 2019, and that aint true anymore.

In the future 2 more guys I root for will surprise everyone. Okafor and Fultz.

Post #1566 » by **Stanford** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:16 pm

It's still true

Eyeamok · Post #1567 » by **Eyeamok** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:56 pm

I don't get it, a guy does nothing of note for 3 years. Then in less than 20 games in his 4th year (contract year) he puts up gaudy numbers for a losing team, that does not have it's best player. And people want to say they were right about him? Give it a full season or two guys.

Eyeamok · Post #1568 » by **Eyeamok** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:08 pm

I am an absolute horrible basketball player. I play defense and grab rebounds like my life depended on it. But my offensive game is well offensive. I have one move and when that is shut down it is a rap for my game. But one day, many years ago, I had the game of my life. I hit from the outside drove to the left and right. You could not get me off the court that day. It was a thing of beauty. The next time I played I reverted back to the old me.

When I see Simmons pass up shot after shot, I recognize the body language and I can guess at the thought process.
"I'm not going to make this shot!" "I'll pass to someone that can shoot better." One thing that is amazing is that he has world class trainers and coaches, film sessions etc. The best resources to draw on and still this is what he produces. The problem is Ben. His shot might be a lot better than we think. But he is probably locked in a cycle where he still sees himself as a non-shooter. So that is what he is going to be.

Coach Brown needs to draw up a play or two to force Ben to shoot. Near the end of the quarter put him in the corner and design a play for a 3 point shot. Either he hits it or he misses it and grow from there. It's a start.

Bum Adebayo · Post #1569 » by **Bum Adebayo** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:35 pm

Eyeamok wrote:I don't get it, a guy does nothing of note for 3 years. Then in less than 20 games in his 4th year (contract year) he puts up gaudy numbers for a losing team, that does not have it's best player. And people want to say they were right about him? Give it a full season or two guys.

I had concerns about Ben Simmons attitude at the time, but honestly can't remember which one I would've drafted, it is hard to believe I would've drafted Ingram before Simmons, no one would expect such a gigantic gap in talent not being translated into a better player, even if like I said there are more aspects that define a player. It defies logic how badly Simmons is underperforming relative to his talent, so it is hard to blame anyone who would've picked Simmons first at the time.

76ciology · Post #1570 » by **76ciology** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:00 pm

Eyeamok wrote:I don't get it, a guy does nothing of note for 3 years. Then in less than 20 games in his 4th year (contract year) he puts up gaudy numbers for a losing team, that does not have it's best player. And people want to say they were right about him? Give it a full season or two guys.

26ppg on 60TS%. Even if Ben plays for Pels, he wont come close to that number. I dont even think he’ll average that number playing for team Australia. Being a scorer is just not in Ben’s DNA.

In a 2 on 1 fastbreak situation, with Earl Boykins as the lone defender. Ben is the type of player who’s going to pass it to his teammate.

76ciology · Post #1571 » by **76ciology** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:01 pm

Stanford wrote:It's still true

Right now the discussion isnt even if who’s better between Ben and Ingram. A more debatable discussion now is who’s better between Ben or Andrew “25ppg” Wiggins.

eagereyez · Post #1572 » by **eagereyez** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:17 pm

At the time of the 2016 draft, I said that Simmons will be to Lebron what Kobe is to MJ. I was wrong. Luka Doncic is Lebron's Kobe. Simmons is a 6'10" Rondo. A good player for sure, but not an MVP candidate.

snoopdogg88 · Post #1573 » by **snoopdogg88** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:53 pm

it's not only a failure on Ben's part but everyone around him in his circle and all of his coaches for allowing it to get to this point.

he should've been forced to conquer this fear years ago, instead he's been surrounded by enablers.

Eyeamok · Post #1574 » by **Eyeamok** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:03 pm

76ciology wrote:
Eyeamok wrote:I don't get it, a guy does nothing of note for 3 years. Then in less than 20 games in his 4th year (contract year) he puts up gaudy numbers for a losing team, that does not have it's best player. And people want to say they were right about him? Give it a full season or two guys.

26ppg on 60TS%. Even if Ben plays for Pels, he wont come close to that number. I dont even think he’ll average that number playing for team Australia. Being a scorer is just not in Ben’s DNA.

In a 2 on 1 fastbreak situation, with Earl Boykins as the lone defender. Ben is the type of player who’s going to pass it to his teammate.

You don't know that as a fact. Alvin Gentry might be able to get Ben to shoot, or perhaps if Ben did not sign an extension he might feel compelled to shoot, to prove his worth. Ben is in a comfortable position. He has been rewarded for his play so far (warts and all). The surest way to kill motivation is to have no heat under your behind. Not to many people are inner motivated once they have the reward. BI has a lot to prove. He is fighting the label of being often injured. Having a blood issue, when people/management hear that I'm sure Chris Bosh crosses their mind. Already being traded once. Don't think all these things do not play a major point in what he is doing this season. He probably worked his behind off in the off season and said any chance I get to go off I'm going to do it. Zion getting inured has been a golden opportunity for him. And he is making the best of it. As he should. But you best believe he was working like a fend this off season. Probably harder than Ben did and harder than Ben had to.

youngcrev · Post #1575 » by **youngcrev** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:59 am

76ciology wrote:
Eyeamok wrote:I don't get it, a guy does nothing of note for 3 years. Then in less than 20 games in his 4th year (contract year) he puts up gaudy numbers for a losing team, that does not have it's best player. And people want to say they were right about him? Give it a full season or two guys.

26ppg on 60TS%. Even if Ben plays for Pels, he wont come close to that number. I dont even think he’ll average that number playing for team Australia. Being a scorer is just not in Ben’s DNA.

In a 2 on 1 fastbreak situation, with Earl Boykins as the lone defender. Ben is the type of player who’s going to pass it to his teammate.

So we're just throwing out their careers up to this point and basing evaluations solely on the first 13 games of the season?

If Ingram continues to put up these numbers and they start to win some games, he'll have to be considered one of the better players in the league. We'll see how sustainable that .459 from 3 on volume attempts is after being a career .350 on 2.3 attempts.

And while Ben clearly doesn't have that alpha scorer gene, calling out his aggressiveness in transition (even in joke form) just feels misinformed

Kobblehead · Post #1576 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 3:25 am

There are a lot of players in the 2016 draft that have wound up better than Ben Simmons.

Which is completely unacceptable because he was pretty clearly the best of the bunch from his 1 and done season to his first played season.

DaSixers · Post #1577 » by **DaSixers** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:36 pm

Ya... plz trade this fake star

Read on Twitter

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WestGOAT · Post #1578 » by **WestGOAT** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:47 pm

Are the majority of the 76ers' fans finally losing their patience with Ben Simmons?
It should be no surprise at all since quite a few posters on this board were already critical of Ben Simmons last season.

I wonder where that massive Ben Simmons fan/bumboy poster went, don't see his trash posts on the general board anymore. He's been awfully quite lately :lol:

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DaSixers · Post #1579 » by **DaSixers** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 11:33 pm

snoopdogg88 wrote:it's not only a failure on Ben's part but everyone around him in his circle and all of his coaches for allowing it to get to this point.

he should've been forced to conquer this fear years ago, instead he's been surrounded by enablers.

BINGO

This is a multi failure their here. Ben and brown together have failed miserably and frankly times up. 4 years and hes worse offesnively

The mods on this board are homers and protect the team narrative. Saying simmons is better than ingram doesnt make it true.

We need a half court bucket getter and ingram is 10x better than simmons at that

NoDopeOnSundays · Post #1580 » by **NoDopeOnSundays** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 12:03 am

DaSixers wrote:Ya... plz trade this fake star

Read on Twitter
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This is what makes him virtually unplayable in the 4th

When he doesn't have the ball he turns whoever is checking him into a free safety that can essentially play a 1 man zone and blow up any chance of a drive. I found so many instances in yesterdays game where he was off the ball while his team was attempting to run a PnR and just his mere presence on the baseline makes a drive impossible.

This play in particular was really egregious, Horford inbounded the ball and was actually going to the same spot on the block when Simmons waved him to set a screen for Harris, Harris tried to drive but was swarmed by 3 defenders and missed the layup which led to a transition break for the Raptors where FVV got fouled on a layup.