2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 1)

[mpharris36]

Man, is it me or Anthony Edwards look like Melo-lite. When he misses, it's REALLLY bad but when he's hot, no one can stop him. The game against MSU, 75% of his shot was waving his teammates off for ISO runs and bad ones at that.

Spoiler:

the thing people don't realize about Edwards is he a two way player. His impact on the defense has the potential to be PG13 like. He's not as tall but his wingspan will allow him to defend multiple positions and he's a great weak help defender with his ability to block shots and get in passing lanes.

So even if his shot isn't falling that day (which he is already an advanced shot maker)...he can distirbute and play defense to impact the game.

[Duke4life831]

Vernon Carey Jr. is having a block party tonight

Vernon Carey trying to defend on the NBA level with the pace and space and the PnRs is something I don't want to imagine. Dude would've been a hell of a pick 15-20 years ago. Just doesn't have the game for today's NBA.

You were overly critical in your projections for RJ in the NBA and look how that's turning out tho. Just saying...

What do you mean? I never said RJ was going to be a bust, I said in most years I don't think he would've gone top 5. I thought his jump shot and inefficient scoring would be an issue, I thought his passing was okay but overrated. Right now he's averaging 15 points on a 46 TS%. Not really sure where the egg on face with what I was saying about him. Defensively he's been better than I thought.

[3toheadmelo]

Man, is it me or Anthony Edwards look like Melo-lite. When he misses, it's REALLLY bad but when he's hot, no one can stop him. The game against MSU, 75% of his shot was waving his teammates off for ISO runs and bad ones at that.

Spoiler:

the thing people don't realize about Edwards is he a two way player. His impact on the defense has the potential to be PG13 like. He's not as tall but his wingspan will allow him to defend multiple positions and he's a great weak help defender with his ability to block shots and get in passing lanes.

So even if his shot isn't falling that day (which he is already an advanced shot maker)...he can distirbute and play defense to impact the game.

What do you mean that’s what people don’t realize? His defensive potential is one of his main selling points. Lol

[stuporman]

Edwards isn't a PG and doesn't appear to be able facilitate the offense so he'll get a few assists from him occasionally passing out of the doubling attention he gets so a teammate hits an open shot. As much as he may be the 'best' player in the draft if the Knicks wind up with him I can pretty assume his potential would get wasted and he'd turn into another ball stopping chucker on the team.

So a coach that has a real offensive plan would need to come along to make drafting him worth it but he absolutely has the skill make up I endorse, the best 3 ball with the best defensive energy one can find in a player with additional skills to elevate them above simply a 3&D player. I just have no faith in this FO to have a coherent vision, they will let Fiz ruin these young players.

[HEZI]

Vernon Carey trying to defend on the NBA level with the pace and space and the PnRs is something I don't want to imagine. Dude would've been a hell of a pick 15-20 years ago. Just doesn't have the game for today's NBA.

You were overly critical in your projections for RJ in the NBA and look how that's turning out tho. Just saying...

What do you mean? I never said RJ was going to be a bust, I said in most years I don't think he would've gone top 5. I thought his jump shot and inefficient scoring would be an issue, I thought his passing was okay but overrated. Right now he's averaging 15 points on a 46 TS%. Not really sure where the egg on face with what I was saying about him. Defensively he's been better than I thought.

RJ had one of the best freshman seasons in Duke history, no idea why you would think he wouldnt be a top 5 pick most drafts. We've seen far worse players go top 5 over the years.

[Capn'O]

Why are we in a rush to stick our flags in a prospect before Thanksgiving? I need until Christmas to be comfortable with someone lol.

I prefer to wait until after Passover. For religious reasons.

[Capn'O]

As vinny chase would say “ summon the cards you desire”

1st overall baby. It’s happening in my mind until it doesn’t. Don’t care for any negativity

I have a good feeling this year....I mean at some point they have to get lucky right?

Not really, that's also known as the gambler's fallacy

I hope you're right though

How about "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take?"

[2010]

Vernon Carey trying to defend on the NBA level with the pace and space and the PnRs is something I don't want to imagine. Dude would've been a hell of a pick 15-20 years ago. Just doesn't have the game for today's NBA.

You were overly critical in your projections for RJ in the NBA and look how that's turning out tho. Just saying...

What do you mean? I never said RJ was going to be a bust, I said in most years I don't think he would've gone top 5. I thought his jump shot and inefficient scoring would be an issue, I thought his passing was okay but overrated. Right now he's averaging 15 points on a 46 TS%. Not really sure where the egg on face with what I was saying about him. Defensively he's been better than I thought.

You never called him an outright bust but you had major issues with him and were quite vocal with your disappointment with his play at Duke. You criticized his defense, playmaking, finishing ability, efficiency, jumper, and questioned his shot selection and willingness to play team ball.

Point is he has exceeded your projected expectations of him as a rookie in every area except FT shooting. And even that has been improving recently.

With all that said, just saying you may judge Duke players more critically due to your rooting investment. Likewise, how us Knicks fans tend to judge our own players with far more scrutiny than we judge other young developing players from other teams.

[Gravy]

If we get Edwards we could go after a solid starting pg like the Suns got Rubio. It would be nice to have a modern looking functional team next year.

[Duke4life831]

You were overly critical in your projections for RJ in the NBA and look how that's turning out tho. Just saying...

What do you mean? I never said RJ was going to be a bust, I said in most years I don't think he would've gone top 5. I thought his jump shot and inefficient scoring would be an issue, I thought his passing was okay but overrated. Right now he's averaging 15 points on a 46 TS%. Not really sure where the egg on face with what I was saying about him. Defensively he's been better than I thought.

RJ had one of the best freshman seasons in Duke history, no idea why you would think he wouldnt be a top 5 pick most drafts. We've seen far worse players go top 5 over the years.

Having success in college doesn't mean those skills are going to succeed in the NBA.

To get back on point with Vernon. He's 6'10 with a 7'0 wingspan, so he's going to be small for the 5. Doesn't handle playing defense in space fine. He can look great Defensively in college for large portions of the game because the PnR isn't used nearly as much, you rarely see teams that have 4-5 guys that can space it, and no 3 seconds rule so he can camp in the lane.

When he does get dragged out defensively, you see him lose his man, get beat in the PnR and get beat off the dribble because he has really slow feet.

Ive said for awhile that he is pretty much ZBO 2.0. 15-20 years ago he would be an easy top 10 pick. You draft him into a grit and grind Memphis system and he can be your power 4 just like ZBO. But teams don't play like that anymore.

[TheScout31]

Without getting off topic, RJ's finishing at the rim is still a concern - 42% in the HC (excluding putbacks and post ups).


Anyways, Cole vs Kira today!

[mpharris36]

Spoiler:

the thing people don't realize about Edwards is he a two way player. His impact on the defense has the potential to be PG13 like. He's not as tall but his wingspan will allow him to defend multiple positions and he's a great weak help defender with his ability to block shots and get in passing lanes.

So even if his shot isn't falling that day (which he is already an advanced shot maker)...he can distirbute and play defense to impact the game.

What do you mean that’s what people don’t realize? His defensive potential is one of his main selling points. Lol

i hear people throwing around comps when he misses that he like such and such player. For example if Melo was missing he wasn't helping you on defense. So thats the thing. While he doesn't have the height of a PG13...he kinda has his overall impact because when he doesn't shoot for a high percentage he can still be effective on the defensive end on a nightly basis.

Remember he is also on Georgia, who's entire team is poop scadoop...for him to will that team in the 2nd half vs a NCAA champinonship team in Mich State and almost beat them is so impressive.

[mpharris36]

Edwards isn't a PG and doesn't appear to be able facilitate the offense so he'll get a few assists from him occasionally passing out of the doubling attention he gets so a teammate hits an open shot. As much as he may be the 'best' player in the draft if the Knicks wind up with him I can pretty assume his potential would get wasted and he'd turn into another ball stopping chucker on the team.

So a coach that has a real offensive plan would need to come along to make drafting him worth it but he absolutely has the skill make up I endorse, the best 3 ball with the best defensive energy one can find in a player with additional skills to elevate them above simply a 3&D player. I just have no faith in this FO to have a coherent vision, they will let Fiz ruin these young players.

Frank/Edwards/RJ/Mitch

would be a coherent vision. That would be an elite defensive team with strong ball movement. The main focus would then being able to get a versatile PF...but even someone like Morris back on another short term deal would make sense with those 4.

Randle absolutely doesn't fit, he is booty.

[HerSports85]

Edwards isn't a PG and doesn't appear to be able facilitate the offense so he'll get a few assists from him occasionally passing out of the doubling attention he gets so a teammate hits an open shot. As much as he may be the 'best' player in the draft if the Knicks wind up with him I can pretty assume his potential would get wasted and he'd turn into another ball stopping chucker on the team.

So a coach that has a real offensive plan would need to come along to make drafting him worth it but he absolutely has the skill make up I endorse, the best 3 ball with the best defensive energy one can find in a player with additional skills to elevate them above simply a 3&D player. I just have no faith in this FO to have a coherent vision, they will let Fiz ruin these young players.

Frank/Edwards/RJ/Mitch

would be a coherent vision. That would be an elite defensive team with strong ball movement. The main focus would then being able to get a versatile PF...but even someone like Morris back on another short term deal would make sense with those 4.

Randle absolutely doesn't fit, he is booty.

trade Morris for a FRP then bring him back on a 2 year deal. I like it. But if that's our core we might go all in on Giannis

Frank
Edwards
RJ
Giannis
Mitch

My goodness. We really just need the ping pong balls to go our way for once.

[stuporman]

Edwards isn't a PG and doesn't appear to be able facilitate the offense so he'll get a few assists from him occasionally passing out of the doubling attention he gets so a teammate hits an open shot. As much as he may be the 'best' player in the draft if the Knicks wind up with him I can pretty assume his potential would get wasted and he'd turn into another ball stopping chucker on the team.

So a coach that has a real offensive plan would need to come along to make drafting him worth it but he absolutely has the skill make up I endorse, the best 3 ball with the best defensive energy one can find in a player with additional skills to elevate them above simply a 3&D player. I just have no faith in this FO to have a coherent vision, they will let Fiz ruin these young players.

Frank/Edwards/RJ/Mitch

would be a coherent vision. That would be an elite defensive team with strong ball movement. The main focus would then being able to get a versatile PF...but even someone like Morris back on another short term deal would make sense with those 4.

Randle absolutely doesn't fit, he is booty.

Without a coach who has an offensive clue that team doesn't even make the playoffs in the weak east let alone lead anyone to believe they can contend for anything other than more lottery picks, The defense would be very interesting I will say that much though....

They'd have to find the right coach, let all the FAs from this summer go with the exception of Gibson and maybe Morris coming back as you suggest while also keeping the youth including Trier and Dot then I'd accept the FO has some vision beyond new toy grabbing.

Although they may have to let Morris go because they will be saddled with Randle for one more season before he can be cut loose. Of course a new coach may be able to squeeze the most out of him instead of the least like Fiz does with players which would only let the FO think they were right on him and pick up his option...eesh,

[HEZI]

What do you mean? I never said RJ was going to be a bust, I said in most years I don't think he would've gone top 5. I thought his jump shot and inefficient scoring would be an issue, I thought his passing was okay but overrated. Right now he's averaging 15 points on a 46 TS%. Not really sure where the egg on face with what I was saying about him. Defensively he's been better than I thought.

RJ had one of the best freshman seasons in Duke history, no idea why you would think he wouldnt be a top 5 pick most drafts. We've seen far worse players go top 5 over the years.

Having success in college doesn't mean those skills are going to succeed in the NBA.

To get back on point with Vernon. He's 6'10 with a 7'0 wingspan, so he's going to be small for the 5. Doesn't handle playing defense in space fine. He can look great Defensively in college for large portions of the game because the PnR isn't used nearly as much, you rarely see teams that have 4-5 guys that can space it, and no 3 seconds rule so he can camp in the lane.

When he does get dragged out defensively, you see him lose his man, get beat in the PnR and get beat off the dribble because he has really slow feet.

Ive said for awhile that he is pretty much ZBO 2.0. 15-20 years ago he would be an easy top 10 pick. You draft him into a grit and grind Memphis system and he can be your power 4 just like ZBO. But teams don't play like that anymore.

Kris Dunn
Dante Exum
Mario Hezonja
Dragan Bender
Aaron Gordon

All those were too 5 picks over the recent years. Anthony Bennett went 1st overall.

You say most drafts as if it's been loaded at the top year after year and if you don't think that throwing RJ into the equation on those other drafts would have significantly changed the thought process of at least 1 or 2 GMs each year then I don't know what to tell you

Don't care about wingspan, Bamba has the longest arms in NBA history and he's buns. Carey has timing and awareness. So what if he has some struggles? He's 18 years old, he has plenty room to learn and figure things out and grow.

[TheScout31]

RJ had one of the best freshman seasons in Duke history, no idea why you would think he wouldnt be a top 5 pick most drafts. We've seen far worse players go top 5 over the years.

Having success in college doesn't mean those skills are going to succeed in the NBA.

To get back on point with Vernon. He's 6'10 with a 7'0 wingspan, so he's going to be small for the 5. Doesn't handle playing defense in space fine. He can look great Defensively in college for large portions of the game because the PnR isn't used nearly as much, you rarely see teams that have 4-5 guys that can space it, and no 3 seconds rule so he can camp in the lane.

When he does get dragged out defensively, you see him lose his man, get beat in the PnR and get beat off the dribble because he has really slow feet.

Ive said for awhile that he is pretty much ZBO 2.0. 15-20 years ago he would be an easy top 10 pick. You draft him into a grit and grind Memphis system and he can be your power 4 just like ZBO. But teams don't play like that anymore.

Kris Dunn
Dante Exum
Mario Hezonja
Dragan Bender
Aaron Gordon

All those were too 5 picks over the recent years. Anthony Bennett went 1st overall.

You say most drafts as if it's been loaded at the top year after year and if you don't think that throwing RJ into the equation on those other drafts would have significantly changed the thought process of at least 1 or 2 GMs each year then I don't know what to tell you

Don't care about wingspan, Bamba has the longest arms in NBA history and he's buns. Carey has timing and awareness. So what if he has some struggles? He's 18 years old, he has plenty room to learn and figure things out and grow.

Why is he listed with the others?

[HEZI]

Having success in college doesn't mean those skills are going to succeed in the NBA.

To get back on point with Vernon. He's 6'10 with a 7'0 wingspan, so he's going to be small for the 5. Doesn't handle playing defense in space fine. He can look great Defensively in college for large portions of the game because the PnR isn't used nearly as much, you rarely see teams that have 4-5 guys that can space it, and no 3 seconds rule so he can camp in the lane.

When he does get dragged out defensively, you see him lose his man, get beat in the PnR and get beat off the dribble because he has really slow feet.

Ive said for awhile that he is pretty much ZBO 2.0. 15-20 years ago he would be an easy top 10 pick. You draft him into a grit and grind Memphis system and he can be your power 4 just like ZBO. But teams don't play like that anymore.

Kris Dunn
Dante Exum
Mario Hezonja
Dragan Bender
Aaron Gordon

All those were too 5 picks over the recent years. Anthony Bennett went 1st overall.

You say most drafts as if it's been loaded at the top year after year and if you don't think that throwing RJ into the equation on those other drafts would have significantly changed the thought process of at least 1 or 2 GMs each year then I don't know what to tell you

Don't care about wingspan, Bamba has the longest arms in NBA history and he's buns. Carey has timing and awareness. So what if he has some struggles? He's 18 years old, he has plenty room to learn and figure things out and grow.

Why is he listed with the others?

Nothing special in college and besides athleticism didn't have any real skills

[TheScout31]

Kris Dunn
Dante Exum
Mario Hezonja
Dragan Bender
Aaron Gordon

All those were too 5 picks over the recent years. Anthony Bennett went 1st overall.

You say most drafts as if it's been loaded at the top year after year and if you don't think that throwing RJ into the equation on those other drafts would have significantly changed the thought process of at least 1 or 2 GMs each year then I don't know what to tell you

Don't care about wingspan, Bamba has the longest arms in NBA history and he's buns. Carey has timing and awareness. So what if he has some struggles? He's 18 years old, he has plenty room to learn and figure things out and grow.

Why is he listed with the others?

Nothing special in college and besides athleticism didn't have any real skills

Ahhh,ok. I thought you were basing it on current production. As you were!

[3toheadmelo]

the thing people don't realize about Edwards is he a two way player. His impact on the defense has the potential to be PG13 like. He's not as tall but his wingspan will allow him to defend multiple positions and he's a great weak help defender with his ability to block shots and get in passing lanes.

So even if his shot isn't falling that day (which he is already an advanced shot maker)...he can distirbute and play defense to impact the game.

What do you mean that’s what people don’t realize? His defensive potential is one of his main selling points. Lol

i hear people throwing around comps when he misses that he like such and such player. For example if Melo was missing he wasn't helping you on defense. So thats the thing. While he doesn't have the height of a PG13...he kinda has his overall impact because when he doesn't shoot for a high percentage he can still be effective on the defensive end on a nightly basis.

Remember he is also on Georgia, who's entire team is poop scadoop...for him to will that team in the 2nd half vs a NCAA champinonship team in Mich State and almost beat them is so impressive.

Lol I think the Melo comparison had to do more with his shot selection, not his defense bro.

One thing that is going unnoticed though is that Edwards is being coached by D wades former coach. Edwards has been compared to Wade a lot so I’m wondering how his coach feels about those comparisons.