Khris Middleton Thread

[emunney]

It's more than just what we could have done this last offseason. Granted, I'm not super knowledgable about the salary cap, but having a declining role player making $35 million a year is going to limit what we can do to improve the team. Brogdon/Bojan at $20 million are flippable. Khris at $35 million is absolutely untradable unless we're taking on someone extremely flawed or attaching assets.

great news... khris middleton is in his prime and would be coveted by half the league. theres literally never been a healthy allstar on an elite team locked up from age 28-32 thats ever had negative value in the history of the league.

so no worries....if he went on the market there would literally be a feeding frenzy of assets offered. we could have our pick of guys like bojan/brogdon along with some young assets or picks coming back

Rashard Lewis

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

10-20 guys in this league are worth more than the max maybe even more than a supermax
20-30 more guys in this league are worth the max or near the max

that's 40-50 guys making "max money".... 1-2 per team on average with good teams getting clustered with 2-3 at that level.

everybody else gets some scaled version depending on whats left over and a fraction of that max kind of money. they are the titanic deck chairs that weve tradionally fielded this team with and its no small surprise this board is more comfortable with those salary structures.

[msiris]

As much as some guys bitch about Khris, I’d easily take him as the best 2nd option over all the other East “contenders”.

And none of them make 30 million a year either.

[Perseus1966]

New Midds will be 90/40/50!!!

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

As much as some guys bitch about Khris, I’d easily take him as the best 2nd option over all the other East “contenders”.

And none of them make 30 million a year either.

kemba and hayward
tobias harris
lowry and gasol
only Miami doesn't have a #2 making 30 mil?

im confused? they all make 30 a year

[coolhandluke121]

Middleton is not the only Robin on this team. We need as many Robins as we can get in order to beat teams with two Batmans for the NBA Championship,

I would go even further and suggest that they need the right type of Robins, and they need to pay them accordingly.

Remember the Mavs with Dirk, when they would always win 50-60 but always got outclassed in the playoffs? The previous Mavs had guys like Finley, Jamison, Van Exel, Antoine Walker, LaFrentz, and Dampier. All of them were more "numbers" guys than guys with great intangibles. It was a paper tiger. Even Nash wasn't a perfect fit, in the sense that they didn't need him to set everyone up the way the Suns needed him to do.

Then the Mavs got Chandler, Marion (well past his prime), Kidd (even further past his prime), and of course Terry, and they finally broke through. The point is that those guys gave the team some backbone with their effort and competitiveness and all-around contributions, which they lacked when they had more stars with somewhat hollow stats.

The point is not to compare any specific person on the early Dirk teams to anyone on the Bucks, although anyone who wants to can make that an exercise. The point is that the type of great supporting cast player champions need (which is NOT the same thing as the derogatory term "role player") is not necessarily the guy you might assume is the better player or better asset in a vacuum. A lot of times, the type of guy who can be a so-called "star" on a 45-win team is not as much help as the guy who is engineered to do whatever a contender with an MVP candidate needs to win, regardless of the stats he's putting up and regardless of whether he could be the man on a mediocre team.

Khris had a great chance to be that type of player. It didn't happen. It doesn't look like it will. "Determination" is not a word that comes to mind when you watch him play, unless you're trying to make someone laugh at you.

[emunney]

I wouldn't mind seeing Khris' minutes dip if it will make him quicker to loose balls.

[msiris]

As much as some guys bitch about Khris, I’d easily take him as the best 2nd option over all the other East “contenders”.

And none of them make 30 million a year either.

kemba and hayward
tobias harris
lowry and gasol
only Miami doesn't have a #2 making 30 mil?

im confused? they all make 30 a year

I looked at the salaries for NBA players and all I can say is for sure is holy **** there are a lot of dumb owners out there. Good Luck trying to build a good team.

[mattg]

I wouldn't mind seeing Khris' minutes dip if it will make him quicker to loose balls.

Thats likely very wishful thinking. He hasn’t been willing to make those effort and energy plays for years now, not like it’s something brand new, same story for 3 full seasons or so

[DanoMac]

Even with all his warts I think we missed him way more than the record shows. Nice for the young dudes and Wes to step up but good to have him back.

disagree. Minute for minute the young guys outperformed him in his absence. DDV and SB are legit on ball defenders and they require low usage on the offensive end. The ball always dies in Middleton's hands and he really doesn't play defense anymore like he used to.

He's been living off past defensive reputation and volume on the offensive end. For 1/10th the cost you have 2 guys that out perform him.

Get rid of him, get back an expiring and draft assets (if it is even possible anymore with that contract). When the playoffs come around, Middleton will shrink away anyways.

D'Angelo Russell or DeRozan are guys i'd target. I dont think either would disappear in the playoffs.

We're 14-3, about to have our 2nd best player come back, and you wanna trade for DeRozan? C'mon man.

[msiris]

I wouldn't mind seeing Khris' minutes dip if it will make him quicker to loose balls.

I do not know if anyone notice but in the last game the Jazz ran the same corner 3 play in which they used to beat us in the 1st game. Pat was there right away to contest the shot unlike Middleton who got lost on the game winner the last game. Its the little **** that Middleton does or does not do that drives me nuts.

[jimmybones]

Middleton is not the only Robin on this team. We need as many Robins as we can get in order to beat teams with two Batmans for the NBA Championship,

I would go even further and suggest that they need the right type of Robins, and they need to pay them accordingly.

Remember the Mavs with Dirk, when they would always win 50-60 but always got outclassed in the playoffs? The previous Mavs had guys like Finley, Jamison, Van Exel, Antoine Walker, LaFrentz, and Dampier. All of them were more "numbers" guys than guys with great intangibles. It was a paper tiger. Even Nash wasn't a perfect fit, in the sense that they didn't need him to set everyone up the way the Suns needed him to do.

Then the Mavs got Chandler, Marion (well past his prime), Kidd (even further past his prime), and of course Terry, and they finally broke through. The point is that those guys gave the team some backbone with their effort and competitiveness and all-around contributions, which they lacked when they had more stars with somewhat hollow stats.

The point is not to compare any specific person on the early Dirk teams to anyone on the Bucks, although anyone who wants to can make that an exercise. The point is that the type of great supporting cast player champions need (which is NOT the same thing as the derogatory term "role player") is not necessarily the guy you might assume is the better player or better asset in a vacuum. A lot of times, the type of guy who can be a so-called "star" on a 45-win team is not as much help as the guy who is engineered to do whatever a contender with an MVP candidate needs to win, regardless of the stats he's putting up and regardless of whether he could be the man on a mediocre team.

Khris had a great chance to be that type of player. It didn't happen. It doesn't look like it will. "Determination" is not a word that comes to mind when you watch him play, unless you're trying to make someone laugh at you.

I'd argue some of this should be on Bud and the Bucks and how they choose to use Middleton, and not just on Middleton. The Bucks clearly want the ball in his hands when GA is not on the floor and even some when he his. Point Khris is OKAY in spurts but it sure seems like the Bucks want it to be a thing more than the results say it should be a thing.

I'd love to see more off the ball screening for him like the Bucks big 3 days with Ray-Ray. I'm not saying he's Ray Allen but Karl was awesome at getting him catch and shoot looks. Give more of that or catch and one bounce with a defender flying at him than iso, please.

[paulpressey25]

Aside from Paul George and Anthony Davis, Khris might be the best second banana on any of the contenders/pseudo-contenders.

You could however recast the question, and ask if you'd rather have some of those second bananas versus Middleton, as it relates to this particular team. I would take Lowry quite easily over Middleton for example. That's the issue. Middleton is in that 30-40th best player range. Room for plenty of debate.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

It's more than just what we could have done this last offseason. Granted, I'm not super knowledgable about the salary cap, but having a declining role player making $35 million a year is going to limit what we can do to improve the team. Brogdon/Bojan at $20 million are flippable. Khris at $35 million is absolutely untradable unless we're taking on someone extremely flawed or attaching assets.

great news... khris middleton is in his prime and would be coveted by half the league. theres literally never been a healthy allstar on an elite team locked up from age 28-32 thats ever had negative value in the history of the league.

so no worries....if he went on the market there would literally be a feeding frenzy of assets offered. we could have our pick of guys like bojan/brogdon along with some young assets or picks coming back

Rashard Lewis

what about him? his 2nd year there they went to a finals, he was an allstar, and he was healthy. you think he had negative value?

he was also the clear #2 for the best 2-3 years in the history of franchise. all the other pieces on that team had been in place for several years. they won 36, 42 games the years before he got there..... and won 52, 59, 59, 52 games the 4 years after...… he was literally the guy who put them from sucking to being a contender. I don't understand why people all talk about him like he was a bum

[Chapter29]

I for one am quite happy to have Middleton back. We're a much better team with him.

[TroyD92]

I just wish Middleton would play less lethargically.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

I just wish Middleton would play less lethargically.

more spazzy like Bledsoe and Giannis is better?

honestly guys are taught to slow down. im not sure if a guys effective......that id not rather have a guy that does his work chill then a guy who always looks like hes about to go off the rails. I mean crappy plyers id take the energy but I like the slow motion im going to do you thing too. kawhi and George play a lot that way fwiw.

simple, repeatable, methodical over and over im going to do this and then that.....im going to tell you im going to do it..... and then im going to do it again and again.

that's how khris plays. and honestly I kind of love that about him.

[TroyD92]

I just wish Middleton would play less lethargically.

more spazzy like Bledsoe and Giannis is better?

Jumping from one extreme to the other ? If he played like a veteran like Hill or even Ersan I’d say he’d be liked a lot more on this board. He just doesn’t look like he cares about the outcome (which I obviously don’t believe), but that’s the way he looks to me.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

I just wish Middleton would play less lethargically.

more spazzy like Bledsoe and Giannis is better?

Jumping from one extreme to the other ? If he played like a veteran like Hill or even Ersan I’d say he’d be liked a lot more on this board. He just doesn’t look like he cares about the outcome (which I obviously don’t believe), but that’s the way he looks to me.

kawhi gets discussed for that too. just methodical emotionless players.

but I would agree khris load manages in season now. im perfectly fine with that.

[TroyD92]

more spazzy like Bledsoe and Giannis is better?

Jumping from one extreme to the other ? If he played like a veteran like Hill or even Ersan I’d say he’d be liked a lot more on this board. He just doesn’t look like he cares about the outcome (which I obviously don’t believe), but that’s the way he looks to me.

kawhi gets discussed for that too. just methodical emotionless players.

but I would agree khris load manages in season now. im perfectly fine with that.

Youre not wrong, but his postseason resume wasn’t very good last season. Hopefully this is the year it comes back