MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] - voting reopened

scrabbarista · Post #781 » by **scrabbarista** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 5:44 pm

ken6199 wrote:
scrabbarista wrote:.

Curious - how did you pick those 34 players last year? You probably have mentioned it somewhere but I honestly can't recall.

Pretty sure I never mentioned it. Basically, I was just running down the top 10, 15, or 20 players (you could go that far because there was overlap) in each of the three metrics I was using: WS, VORP, and RAPM/possessions. That's why it changed from week to week. Obviously, the players selected could affect the results at every point in the list, but I figured that this methodology, if done blindly, which it was, was basically fair. As implied in my post this morning, the new formula won't have this issue.

nikster · Post #782 » by **nikster** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 6:09 pm

HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:Kawhi is still the best today I think. ESPN just had a stat that said clippers have held opponents under 40% FG in 9 games which leads the league. Clippers SRS has gone from 1.09 last season to 8.64 this season. Sure Kawhi has another superstar on his team but so did Harden in 2018 when he won it.

Is that a stat for the last 9 games? If so, not really the best arguement for Kawhi. He missed 3 of those games entirely, and is buoyed by games against Hawks, OKC and Raptors missing 3 players

HBK_Kliq_33 · Post #783 » by **HBK_Kliq_33** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 6:13 pm

nikster wrote:
HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:Kawhi is still the best today I think. ESPN just had a stat that said clippers have held opponents under 40% FG in 9 games which leads the league. Clippers SRS has gone from 1.09 last season to 8.64 this season. Sure Kawhi has another superstar on his team but so did Harden in 2018 when he won it.

Is that a stat for the last 9 games? If so, not really the best arguement for Kawhi. He missed 3 of those games entirely, and is buoyed by games against Hawks, OKC and Raptors missing 3 players

Its a stat for all season I believe.

nikster · Post #784 » by **nikster** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 6:22 pm

HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:
nikster wrote:
HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:Kawhi is still the best today I think. ESPN just had a stat that said clippers have held opponents under 40% FG in 9 games which leads the league. Clippers SRS has gone from 1.09 last season to 8.64 this season. Sure Kawhi has another superstar on his team but so did Harden in 2018 when he won it.

Is that a stat for the last 9 games? If so, not really the best arguement for Kawhi. He missed 3 of those games entirely, and is buoyed by games against Hawks, OKC and Raptors missing 3 players

Its a stat for all season I believe.

Raptors lead the league in oppnenet fg% on the season. Clippers are 3rd on the season at 42.5%

Triples333 · Post #785 » by **Triples333** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 6:24 pm

HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:Kawhi is still the best today I think. ESPN just had a stat that said clippers have held opponents under 40% FG in 9 games which leads the league. Clippers SRS has gone from 1.09 last season to 8.64 this season. Sure Kawhi has another superstar on his team but so did Harden in 2018 when he won it.

He's not playing nearly good enough, nor enough (I'm sure he sits again tonight) to be in the debate. And PG has indeed been better in his limited games as well.

juju14 · Post #786 » by **juju14** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 6:41 pm

Kawhi literally has someone with the same defensive impact has him. PG was tops in perimeter defense with RAPM last season. He had like 4 steals last game. Lmao at giving all that credit to Kawhi. Beverly,PG, and Zubac are great defenders. Kawhi just another great defender. Not many teams will be scoring consistently on Beverly, Paul Geaorge,Kawhi, and Zubac. I suspect if they played more minutes and games together they would be top 2 in defense.

Dupp · Post #787 » by **Dupp** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 6:53 pm

Not the same defensive impact, Paul George is clearly a better defender than kawhi.

HBK_Kliq_33 · Post #788 » by **HBK_Kliq_33** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 7:05 pm

Leonard has been back to his DPOTY level this season and George hasn't played much defense this season. George even admitted that he doesn't have his 'defensive legs' under him yet. This season Kawhi has been clearly the clippers best defender. If you're not going to give him MVP than give him DPOTY. Kawhi has less defensive help than Anthony Davis.

LeBron > George
Danny Green > Beverly
Dwight Howard > Zubac

Dupp · Post #789 » by **Dupp** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 7:13 pm

Not all your posts have to be delusional you know? You can make a genuine post from time to time.

Kawhi has no argument at all for dpoy or mvp. He’s not even close to either.

Funny how lebrons suddenly a better defender than Paul George too. Keep moving those goal posts.

greekbuck34 · Post #790 » by **greekbuck34** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 7:31 pm

Kawhi Leonard is OUT from the MVP Discussion (Injury Management, Left Knee Soreness, general load management)

Post #791 » by **ReasonablySober** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:58 pm

Leonard's having his worst season since his rookie year, and he's missing games. He's not the best player in league or remotely close to the MVP discussion.

Boarder Patrol · Post #792 » by **Boarder Patrol** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:17 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:Leonard's having his worst season since his rookie year, and he's missing games. He's not the best player in league or remotely close to the MVP discussion.

Am I missing something? I haven't watched him play much (busy life at the moment) but his stats check out fine. I agree that he ain't the MVP though.

Post #793 » by **ReasonablySober** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:27 pm

Boarder Patrol wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:Leonard's having his worst season since his rookie year, and he's missing games. He's not the best player in league or remotely close to the MVP discussion.

Am I missing something? I haven't watched him play much (busy life at the moment) but his stats check out fine. I agree that he ain't the MVP though.

Offensively his efficiency has fallen off a cliff.

WHITE_HOT_HEAT · Post #794 » by **WHITE_HOT_HEAT** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 12:00 am

Lmao at Kawhi... Not even close to the MVP. How are some people so delusional?
And I thought Jordan/Kobe/LeBron fans were crazy...

It's Giannis for now unless the Bucks fall far behind the Lakers in record or the Mavs leap to top 3 in record.

Dupp · Post #795 » by **Dupp** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 12:25 am

ReasonablySober wrote:
Boarder Patrol wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:Leonard's having his worst season since his rookie year, and he's missing games. He's not the best player in league or remotely close to the MVP discussion.

Am I missing something? I haven't watched him play much (busy life at the moment) but his stats check out fine. I agree that he ain't the MVP though.

Offensively his efficiency has fallen off a cliff.

I think the whole “ worst year since his rookie year” thing isn’t really close to being true.

But alas, he’s not playing close to an mvp either.

Post #796 » by **zimpy27** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 12:28 am

Lakers have a net rating similar to the Knicks when LeBron sits.

Seems like a pretty valuable player to the team with the best record right now.

Not that the Most Valuable Player award has ever been about the most valuable player.

mademan · Post #797 » by **mademan** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:52 am

At this point, anyone but giannis is a robbery. He's probably top 2 with AD for DPOY too. His production is absolutely ridiculous and he's gonna have a top 3 record. How do you go with anyone but him?

nzahir · Post #798 » by **nzahir** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 2:07 am

zimpy27 wrote:Lakers have a net rating similar to the Knicks when LeBron sits.

Seems like a pretty valuable player to the team with the best record right now.

Not that the Most Valuable Player award has ever been about the most valuable player.

Lebron is the mvp rn

Higher net rating than Giannis.

Tougher conference.

Has the narrative: LA, Year 17, Injury last year, and not winning one for 7 years

mademan · Post #799 » by **mademan** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 2:12 am

nzahir wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:Lakers have a net rating similar to the Knicks when LeBron sits.

Seems like a pretty valuable player to the team with the best record right now.

Not that the Most Valuable Player award has ever been about the most valuable player.

Lebron is the mvp rn

Higher net rating than Giannis.

Tougher conference.

Has the narrative: LA, Year 17, Injury last year, and not winning one for 7 years

The production difference between Giannis and Lebron is far too much to overcome. Giannis is putting up all-time numbers, and i usually think guys regress from these stupid stats they put up early in the season, but this is very sustainable for Giannis. Dude is a freakin beast. If Lebron wins with the numbers as is between the 2 of them, it will go down as one of the bigger robberies in MVP history.

TOStateofMind · Post #800 » by **TOStateofMind** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 3:06 am

Giannis is leading over the pack by a decent amount early on imo. He's raised his level yet again and doing it on both ends.

Who is your pick for the 2019-20 MVP?