MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] - voting reopened

HBK_Kliq_33 · Post #841 » by **HBK_Kliq_33** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:53 pm

Lebron is not even his teams best scorer, 3rd or 4th best defender. He gets to coast and pad his assists, he has no case for MVP this year.

Dupp · Post #842 » by **Dupp** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:58 pm

HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:Lebron is not even his teams best scorer, 3rd or 4th best defender. He gets to coast and pad his assists, he has no case for MVP this year.

So what you’re saying is the lakers have 4 or 5 better defenders than Paul George? Do you believe that?

HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:Leonard has been back to his DPOTY level this season and George hasn't played much defense this season. George even admitted that he doesn't have his 'defensive legs' under him yet. This season Kawhi has been clearly the clippers best defender. If you're not going to give him MVP than give him DPOTY. Kawhi has less defensive help than Anthony Davis.

LeBron > George
Danny Green > Beverly
Dwight Howard > Zubac

HBK_Kliq_33 · Post #843 » by **HBK_Kliq_33** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:06 pm

Dupp wrote:
HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:Lebron is not even his teams best scorer, 3rd or 4th best defender. He gets to coast and pad his assists, he has no case for MVP this year.

So what you’re saying is the lakers have 4 or 5 better defenders than Paul George? Do you believe that?

HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:Leonard has been back to his DPOTY level this season and George hasn't played much defense this season. George even admitted that he doesn't have his 'defensive legs' under him yet. This season Kawhi has been clearly the clippers best defender. If you're not going to give him MVP than give him DPOTY. Kawhi has less defensive help than Anthony Davis.

LeBron > George
Danny Green > Beverly
Dwight Howard > Zubac

George has been more of a Klay Thompson level player this season. He hasn't established himself on defense like he was last season. Dwight and Ad are easily better defensively and Green probably is too.

Dupp · Post #844 » by **Dupp** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:08 pm

HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:
Dupp wrote:
HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:Lebron is not even his teams best scorer, 3rd or 4th best defender. He gets to coast and pad his assists, he has no case for MVP this year.

So what you’re saying is the lakers have 4 or 5 better defenders than Paul George? Do you believe that?

HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:Leonard has been back to his DPOTY level this season and George hasn't played much defense this season. George even admitted that he doesn't have his 'defensive legs' under him yet. This season Kawhi has been clearly the clippers best defender. If you're not going to give him MVP than give him DPOTY. Kawhi has less defensive help than Anthony Davis.

LeBron > George
Danny Green > Beverly
Dwight Howard > Zubac

George has been more of a Klay Thompson level player this season. He hasn't established himself on defense like he was last season. Dwight and Ad are easily better defensively and Green probably is too.

And lebron too right?

HBK_Kliq_33 · Post #845 » by **HBK_Kliq_33** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:27 pm

Dupp wrote:
HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:
Dupp wrote:

So what you’re saying is the lakers have 4 or 5 better defenders than Paul George? Do you believe that?

George has been more of a Klay Thompson level player this season. He hasn't established himself on defense like he was last season. Dwight and Ad are easily better defensively and Green probably is too.

And lebron too right?

LeBron started off good but than started coasting again, slight advantage to LeBron over George still. LeBron's west finals appearance and losing to clippers in 6 will be a memorable season. Just hope AD doesn't leave to bulls or LeBron's career is over. On the other end, have no problem if AD wants to be known as LeBron's servant for the rest of his career, that's all he is known as right now anyway.

Colbinii · Post #846 » by **Colbinii** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:31 pm

HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:
Dupp wrote:
HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:
George has been more of a Klay Thompson level player this season. He hasn't established himself on defense like he was last season. Dwight and Ad are easily better defensively and Green probably is too.

And lebron too right?

LeBron started off good but than started coasting again, slight advantage to LeBron over George still. LeBron's west finals appearance and losing to clippers in 6 will be a memorable season. Just hope AD doesn't leave to bulls or LeBron's career is over. On the other end, have no problem if AD wants to be known as LeBron's servant for the rest of his career, that's all he is known as right now anyway.

You are too emotional about LeBron. I truly feel bad for you.

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Dupp · Post #847 » by **Dupp** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:31 pm

HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:
Dupp wrote:
HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:
George has been more of a Klay Thompson level player this season. He hasn't established himself on defense like he was last season. Dwight and Ad are easily better defensively and Green probably is too.

And lebron too right?

LeBron started off good but than started coasting again, slight advantage to LeBron over George still. LeBron's west finals appearance and losing to clippers in 6 will be a memorable season. Just hope AD doesn't leave to bulls or LeBron's career is over. On the other end, have no problem if AD wants to be known as LeBron's servant for the rest of his career, that's all he is known as right now anyway.

Why would AD go to the bulls? Dudes not going back to losing. If he leaves it’s not for one of the worst run franchises on the nba.

Anyway that post doesn’t really have any thing to do with mvp. Just sounds like a grumpy kid that kawhis team doesn’t need him to win so you’re throwing **** at other players.

Vsauce12 · Post #848 » by **Vsauce12** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:42 pm

Imagine thinking a guy who has a guy that can drop 40 and play DPOY level D on his team is winning the MVP. This years MVP is Giannis’s to lose

HBK_Kliq_33 · Post #849 » by **HBK_Kliq_33** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:51 pm

Colbinii wrote:
HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:
Dupp wrote:

And lebron too right?

LeBron started off good but than started coasting again, slight advantage to LeBron over George still. LeBron's west finals appearance and losing to clippers in 6 will be a memorable season. Just hope AD doesn't leave to bulls or LeBron's career is over. On the other end, have no problem if AD wants to be known as LeBron's servant for the rest of his career, that's all he is known as right now anyway.

You are too emotional about LeBron. I truly feel bad for you.

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I like LeBron and consider him a top 5-8 bball player ever. Clippers are just clearly superior over Lakers and Kawhi is better than 35 year old LeBron come playoff time.

HBK_Kliq_33 · Post #850 » by **HBK_Kliq_33** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:53 pm

Vsauce12 wrote:Imagine thinking a guy who has a guy that can drop 40 and play DPOY level D on his team is winning the MVP. This years MVP is Giannis’s to lose

Exactly, LeBron is Manu in 05 and AD is Duncan. LeBron's not doing anything MVP level.

Colbinii · Post #851 » by **Colbinii** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:57 pm

HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:
LeBron started off good but than started coasting again, slight advantage to LeBron over George still. LeBron's west finals appearance and losing to clippers in 6 will be a memorable season. Just hope AD doesn't leave to bulls or LeBron's career is over. On the other end, have no problem if AD wants to be known as LeBron's servant for the rest of his career, that's all he is known as right now anyway.

You are too emotional about LeBron. I truly feel bad for you.

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I like LeBron and consider him a top 5-8 bball player ever. Clippers are just clearly superior over Lakers and Kawhi is better than 35 year old LeBron come playoff time.

I think the Clippers without Kawhi are 5x the team than the Lakers without LeBron. I agree the Clippers are better.

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TheBonzaiEffect · Post #852 » by **TheBonzaiEffect** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:19 pm

daswunderboy wrote:
Dupp wrote:Yeah Lou is the goat.

Lou is the GOAT off the court, lol. On the court, great for his role.

My ranking right now:

Giannis
Harden
Lebron
Davis

Luka
Siakim

There is zero argument to not having Luka in that first tier when he is first or second in the NBA in almost every impact stat, and has dragged a garbage roster to a similar record to the others. How are Harden or AD better than Luka this year?

HBK_Kliq_33 · Post #853 » by **HBK_Kliq_33** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:25 pm

Colbinii wrote:
HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:
Colbinii wrote:You are too emotional about LeBron. I truly feel bad for you.

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I like LeBron and consider him a top 5-8 bball player ever. Clippers are just clearly superior over Lakers and Kawhi is better than 35 year old LeBron come playoff time.
I think the Clippers without Kawhi are 5x the team than the Lakers without LeBron. I agree the Clippers are better.

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What the hell have clippers done without Kawhi besides beat Hawks?

Lets see the games without Kawhi since you brought it up

- allowed 119 points to the 26th ranked offense grizzles and were losing under 5 mins left in the 4th quarter

- won by 2 points vs a -0.76 thunder team

- allowed 132 points and found a way to lose to a -2.02 SRS and 28th ranked defensive team

- lost to Utah

- lost to bucks

Geez what a juggernaut without Leonard. I guess you watched that hawks game over and over and that's what you are forming your opinion on? Cut the crap, I wasn't born yesterday pal. 5x better what a joke. AD is the best big man in the league right now. Clippers are better because Kawhi is better than LeBron, remember I told you that come playoff time.

daswunderboy · Post #854 » by **daswunderboy** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:40 pm

TheBonzaiEffect wrote:
daswunderboy wrote:
Dupp wrote:Yeah Lou is the goat.

Lou is the GOAT off the court, lol. On the court, great for his role.

My ranking right now:

Giannis
Harden
Lebron
Davis

Luka
Siakim

There is zero argument to not having Luka in that first tier when he is first or second in the NBA in almost every impact stat, and has dragged a garbage roster to a similar record to the others. How are Harden or AD better than Luka this year?

That's a format error, lol. I was moving names around and didn't notice the space. My list is in order of how I feel. I do have Luka below AD though, Davis is a beast 2 way player. But maybe I am underrating him. Harden isn't much on D either, and Luka isn't a sieve or anything.

clyde21 · Post #855 » by **clyde21** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:44 pm

HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:
I like LeBron and consider him a top 5-8 bball player ever. Clippers are just clearly superior over Lakers and Kawhi is better than 35 year old LeBron come playoff time.
I think the Clippers without Kawhi are 5x the team than the Lakers without LeBron. I agree the Clippers are better.

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What the hell have clippers done without Kawhi besides beat Hawks?

Lets see the games without Kawhi since you brought it up

- allowed 119 points to the 26th ranked offense grizzles and were losing under 5 mins left in the 4th quarter

- won by 2 points vs a -0.76 thunder team

- allowed 132 points and found a way to lose to a -2.02 SRS and 28th ranked defensive team

- lost to Utah

- lost to bucks

Geez what a juggernaut without Leonard. I guess you watched that hawks game over and over and that's what you are forming your opinion on? Cut the crap, I wasn't born yesterday pal. 5x better what a joke. AD is the best big man in the league right now. Clippers are better because Kawhi is better than LeBron, remember I told you that come playoff time.

lol, kinda hard to win against Utah and Milly with 65% of your cap is not playing

Paul Geroge right now has a better BPM, TS%, PER and WS/48 than Leonard this year...he's been the clippers' best player, not Kawhi.

Colbinii · Post #856 » by **Colbinii** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:44 pm

HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:
I like LeBron and consider him a top 5-8 bball player ever. Clippers are just clearly superior over Lakers and Kawhi is better than 35 year old LeBron come playoff time.
I think the Clippers without Kawhi are 5x the team than the Lakers without LeBron. I agree the Clippers are better.

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What the hell have clippers done without Kawhi besides beat Hawks?

Lets see the games without Kawhi since you brought it up

- allowed 119 points to the 26th ranked offense grizzles and were losing under 5 mins left in the 4th quarter

- won by 2 points vs a -0.76 thunder team

- allowed 132 points and found a way to lose to a -2.02 SRS and 28th ranked defensive team

- lost to Utah

- lost to bucks

Geez what a juggernaut without Leonard. I guess you watched that hawks game over and over and that's what you are forming your opinion on? Cut the crap, I wasn't born yesterday pal. 5x better what a joke. AD is the best big man in the league right now. Clippers are better because Kawhi is better than LeBron, remember I told you that come playoff time.

The Clippers last year were a 1.5 SRS team and then added Paul George. The Lakers were a 25-30 win team without James, added Davis while losing Ingram/Ball/Hart.

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Freighttrain · Post #857 » by **Freighttrain** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:48 pm

Even if it's early, it's basically a four men horse race.
LeBron, Giannis, Luka & Harden. I got Luka 3rd, Harden 4th. Giannis is putting up monster stats, LeBron has become the best point guard in the NBA with the best record.

HBK_Kliq_33 · Post #858 » by **HBK_Kliq_33** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:59 pm

clyde21 wrote:
HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:
Colbinii wrote:I think the Clippers without Kawhi are 5x the team than the Lakers without LeBron. I agree the Clippers are better.

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What the hell have clippers done without Kawhi besides beat Hawks?

Lets see the games without Kawhi since you brought it up

- allowed 119 points to the 26th ranked offense grizzles and were losing under 5 mins left in the 4th quarter

- won by 2 points vs a -0.76 thunder team

- allowed 132 points and found a way to lose to a -2.02 SRS and 28th ranked defensive team

- lost to Utah

- lost to bucks

Geez what a juggernaut without Leonard. I guess you watched that hawks game over and over and that's what you are forming your opinion on? Cut the crap, I wasn't born yesterday pal. 5x better what a joke. AD is the best big man in the league right now. Clippers are better because Kawhi is better than LeBron, remember I told you that come playoff time.

lol, kinda hard to win against Utah and Milly with 65% of your cap is not playing

Paul Geroge right now has a better BPM, TS%, PER and WS/48 than Leonard this year...he's been the clippers' best player, not Kawhi.

Kawhi has been overall more impactful player on both ends, that's why he beats teams like Lakers and raptors. While George loses to pelicans and barely beats Grizzles.

The way the team plays with just Leonard and no George > The way the team plays with just George and no Leonard

Come up with better arguments or i'm a just look at you like how M Harrell looks at the refs after he thinks he's going to get fouled and say "come on now" hahahha. That's all i have to say on the subject, you got me banned from PC board so I don't want to get into it with ya lol

HBK_Kliq_33 · Post #859 » by **HBK_Kliq_33** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 9:04 pm

Colbinii wrote:
HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:
Colbinii wrote:I think the Clippers without Kawhi are 5x the team than the Lakers without LeBron. I agree the Clippers are better.

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What the hell have clippers done without Kawhi besides beat Hawks?

Lets see the games without Kawhi since you brought it up

- allowed 119 points to the 26th ranked offense grizzles and were losing under 5 mins left in the 4th quarter

- won by 2 points vs a -0.76 thunder team

- allowed 132 points and found a way to lose to a -2.02 SRS and 28th ranked defensive team

- lost to Utah

- lost to bucks

Geez what a juggernaut without Leonard. I guess you watched that hawks game over and over and that's what you are forming your opinion on? Cut the crap, I wasn't born yesterday pal. 5x better what a joke. AD is the best big man in the league right now. Clippers are better because Kawhi is better than LeBron, remember I told you that come playoff time.

The Clippers last year were a 1.5 SRS team and then added Paul George. The Lakers were a 25-30 win team without James, added Davis while losing Ingram/Ball/Hart.

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LeBron coasted last year and is playing better this year plus added a player better than he is.

Clippers have underwhelmed while Kawhi is out but still look at the SRS increase he has still given them from last season.

clyde21 · Post #860 » by **clyde21** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 9:10 pm

HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:
What the hell have clippers done without Kawhi besides beat Hawks?

Lets see the games without Kawhi since you brought it up

- allowed 119 points to the 26th ranked offense grizzles and were losing under 5 mins left in the 4th quarter

- won by 2 points vs a -0.76 thunder team

- allowed 132 points and found a way to lose to a -2.02 SRS and 28th ranked defensive team

- lost to Utah

- lost to bucks

Geez what a juggernaut without Leonard. I guess you watched that hawks game over and over and that's what you are forming your opinion on? Cut the crap, I wasn't born yesterday pal. 5x better what a joke. AD is the best big man in the league right now. Clippers are better because Kawhi is better than LeBron, remember I told you that come playoff time.

lol, kinda hard to win against Utah and Milly with 65% of your cap is not playing

Paul Geroge right now has a better BPM, TS%, PER and WS/48 than Leonard this year...he's been the clippers' best player, not Kawhi.

Kawhi has been overall more impactful player on both ends, that's why he beats teams like Lakers and raptors. While George loses to pelicans and barely beats Grizzles.

The way the team plays with just Leonard and no George > The way the team plays with just George and no Leonard

Come up with better arguments or i'm a just look at you like how M Harrell looks at the refs after he thinks he's going to get fouled and say "come on now" hahahha. That's all i have to say on the subject, you got me banned from PC board so I don't want to get into it with ya lol

come up with a better argument than George being better than Leonard across the board in impact stats? ok lol

Who is your pick for the 2019-20 MVP?