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[prophet_of_rage]

I’ll say this though, very few teams start off with the goal of tanking from game 1, usually they ride it out the first several games to see what they have. Well, now that we know early that the team is trash this really will at some point turn into a full blown tank. But it’s clear that was not Plan A and they clearly aren’t satisfied that it’s heading that way. Heads will roll

Someone with sense! If they were trying to win Fiz would have been fired longtime.

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[GONYK]

Salary floor.

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You can overpay G-Leaguers just as easily as Julius Randle.

You can also take on salary for picks to meet the floor. This is what a tanking team does and something Pills is on the record saying that they intentionally did not go that route.

No you can't. You can't sell we gave Kadeem Allen 20 million. Stop it.

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But we can take on salary for picks, right?

Interesting that you glossed over that.

Teams have been hitting the salary for years without giving Bobby Portis and Julius Randle $16M+ deals.

[GONYK]

Salary floor.

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You can overpay G-Leaguers just as easily as Julius Randle.

You can also take on salary for picks to meet the floor. This is what a tanking team does and something Pills is on the record saying that they intentionally did not go that route.

Those come with bad long contracts that would kill their flexibility. They are kicking the can down the road, keeping the hope of a game changing free agent a possibility.

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2 expiring contracts got moved with picks just this summer.

[prophet_of_rage]

Salary floor.

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You can overpay G-Leaguers just as easily as Julius Randle.

You can also take on salary for picks to meet the floor. This is what a tanking team does and something Pills is on the record saying that they intentionally did not go that route.

I’m not even convinced g-league players wouldn’t build chemistry and win more games than the guys they did sign. The warriors went the g-league route and they’ve tied us in the win column and would probably beat us pretty easily.

Did the Warriors sign D-Lo to lose this year? That's what a team trying a failing to win looks like. Signed an All-Star and the lost two of their stars to injury so now they're punting.

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[prophet_of_rage]

You can overpay G-Leaguers just as easily as Julius Randle.

You can also take on salary for picks to meet the floor. This is what a tanking team does and something Pills is on the record saying that they intentionally did not go that route.

Those come with bad long contracts that would kill their flexibility. They are kicking the can down the road, keeping the hope of a game changing free agent a possibility.

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2 expiring contracts got moved with picks just this summer.

Those deals were?

Somebody is screwing Angela Bassett as willing as I to do it nobody has offered me the deal.
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[prophet_of_rage]

You can overpay G-Leaguers just as easily as Julius Randle.

You can also take on salary for picks to meet the floor. This is what a tanking team does and something Pills is on the record saying that they intentionally did not go that route.

No you can't. You can't sell we gave Kadeem Allen 20 million. Stop it.

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But we can take on salary for picks, right?

Interesting that you glossed over that.

Teams have been hitting the salary for years without giving Bobby Portis and Julius Randle $16M+ deals.

I answered that in a following post.

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[GONYK]

Those come with bad long contracts that would kill their flexibility. They are kicking the can down the road, keeping the hope of a game changing free agent a possibility.

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2 expiring contracts got moved with picks just this summer.

Those deals were?

Somebody is screwing Angela Bassett as willing as I to do it nobody has offered me the deal.
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If you want to know, Google can assist you. It's been discussed plenty.

The fact remains that taking on salary for picks does not have to be a long-term proposition. Teams trade expirings with picks just to avoid luxury tax.

Hell, taking on a 2 year deal with picks would have been better than signing Randle.

The Knicks deliberately chose to avoid that route.

Why? All the evidence points to delusion.

If you want to believe otherwise, that's cool I guess. I've yet to see that belief rooted in anything rational though.

[robillionaire]

What they did was at least an improvement over prior years where they signed very bad 4 year contracts like Courtney lee joakim noah and THJ in order to make the playoffs and still sucked just as bad and had to stretch waive and trade assists just to get rid of them. The worst you can criticize them for is randle’s 2 year deal and that’s not even as bad as people make it out to be considering cap space is pretty much useless this coming summer with no decent free agents on the market and we can decline the team option in 2021 where it still won’t matter since Giannis isn’t coming. Morris actually seems like a good pick up that could get us an asset if he keeps it up for another month or two. The other team option one year deal players are pretty much irrelevant, I don’t see very many of them getting the option to come back for year 2. Maybe healthy Bullock. Or Taj if we need a body. Ellington Payton and Portis need to gtfo

[mpharris36]

GO save the key strokes my dude...

[G_K_F]

prophet of rage sounds like Steve Mills trying to convince Dolan that this was the plan all along.

[Marty McFly]

What they did was at least an improvement over prior years where they signed very bad 4 year contracts like Courtney lee joakim noah and THJ in order to make the playoffs and still sucked just as bad and had to stretch waive and trade assists just to get rid of them. The worst you can criticize them for is randle’s 2 year deal and that’s not even as bad as people make it out to be considering cap space is pretty much useless this coming summer with no decent free agents on the market and we can decline the team option in 2021 where it still won’t matter since Giannis isn’t coming. Morris actually seems like a good pick up that could get us an asset if he keeps it up for another month or two. The other team option one year deal players are pretty much irrelevant, I don’t see very many of them getting the option to come back for year 2. Maybe healthy Bullock. Or Taj if we need a body. Ellington Payton and Portis need to gtfo

giving them credit for raising the bar when they set the bar low in the first place doesn't make much sense though. it's mismanagement of assets either way. you're spending money on guys who will not be a part of the future of this team, who"ll siphon away developmental playing time that should be dedicated to the players which this team should be wholeheartedly invested in.

these guys are bad managers, plan and simple. barring winning the first pick in next years draft, this team is going no where for the considerable future, unless james dolan completely removes Mills from MSG.

[thebuzzardman]

I’ll say this though, very few teams start off with the goal of tanking from game 1, usually they ride it out the first several games to see what they have. Well, now that we know early that the team is trash this really will at some point turn into a full blown tank. But it’s clear that was not Plan A and they clearly aren’t satisfied that it’s heading that way. Heads will roll

Someone with sense! If they were trying to win Fiz would have been fired longtime.

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How about, they were obviously tanking last year, so there's nothing to really judge Fizdale on that year, but this year, they really wanted to be competitive, and Fizdale is showing he actually really does sort of suck? Along with the obvious that the roster is mismatched, etc.

Let me break it down:
Last year: Tank year
Roster sucks this year
Fizdale sucks as well, this year, and in general. Or is mediocre, if you want a less harsh term.

[Deeeez Knicks]

im not sure I am understanding some peoples points...they believe the front office built this roster to intentionally lose, while blocking a lot of its young players potential minutes, in this big elaborate plan to cover up there true scheme to throw the season intentionally while publicly saying the complete opposite and filter similar believes to both MSG and outside media?

that is one elaborate plan.

They could have just traded for bad contracts, acquired future picks, built a system around there two best young players instead of catering to its overpaid vets and I would absolutely believe the plan...develop young players and live with the results.

you don't spend $70 million on these "key" free agents that they specifically went out to LA to meat with many of them the first day of FA to tank...sorry that is ridiculous to even think that...

Pills must be playing 4D chess to spend $70M to tank when signing G-League players would have done the trick.

I'm sure Dolan enjoys them intentionally burning through his bank account and paying a premium for a bad product just for sh*ts and gigs.

Salary floor.

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Forget the salary floor. Why did we spend so much that we are over the cap?

If the goal was just to hit the salary floor we would have stopped spending at the floor

[prophet_of_rage]

I’ll say this though, very few teams start off with the goal of tanking from game 1, usually they ride it out the first several games to see what they have. Well, now that we know early that the team is trash this really will at some point turn into a full blown tank. But it’s clear that was not Plan A and they clearly aren’t satisfied that it’s heading that way. Heads will roll

Someone with sense! If they were trying to win Fiz would have been fired longtime.

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How about, they were obviously tanking last year, so there's nothing to really judge Fizdale on that year, but this year, they really wanted to be competitive, and Fizdale is showing he actually really does sort of suck? Along with the obvious that the roster is mismatched, etc.

Let me break it down:
Last year: Tank year
Roster sucks this year
Fizdale sucks as well, this year, and in general. Or is mediocre, if you want a less harsh term.

They wanted to be good this year with big free agent signings. They failed. Everything since has been corporate spin as they repeat and will continue to repeat the cycle until they hit on enough draft picks to be good.

This process is going to play out a few more years. Nobody cares about NY except Knicks fans.

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[Jimmit79]

Knicks just hate collecting assets for some reason and then they wonder why nobody in the league takes there calls.

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[prophet_of_rage]

Pills must be playing 4D chess to spend $70M to tank when signing G-League players would have done the trick.

I'm sure Dolan enjoys them intentionally burning through his bank account and paying a premium for a bad product just for sh*ts and gigs.

Salary floor.

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Forget the salary floor. Why did we spend so much that we are over the cap?

If the goal was just to hit the salary floor we would have stopped spending at the floor

Morris. They hit on an opportunity with him and took it. The move was overkill.

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[prophet_of_rage]

We're just kicking a can down the road making it look like we're doing stuff until we have to. You'll see the same strategy employed next year.

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[Deeeez Knicks]

Salary floor.

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Forget the salary floor. Why did we spend so much that we are over the cap?

If the goal was just to hit the salary floor we would have stopped spending at the floor

Morris. They hit on an opportunity with him and took it. The move was overkill.

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We didnt even have room for Morris. We had to restructure the Bullock deal and give him the exception to make Morris work. We pretty much spent it all day 1 and as Mills/Perry said handpicked these guys. If the plan was to lose, then we wouldn't have even gone thru all that trouble with Morris.

[prophet_of_rage]

prophet of rage sounds like Steve Mills trying to convince Dolan that this was the plan all along.

Nope, I can see the plan being the behind the scenes scramble it is. They are spinning you pretending they give a chit and you're all invested. They punted this season the minute Kevin's Achilles went pop. Don't invest in the team until they do something worth investing in. This offseason was not it.

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[prophet_of_rage]

Forget the salary floor. Why did we spend so much that we are over the cap?

If the goal was just to hit the salary floor we would have stopped spending at the floor

Morris. They hit on an opportunity with him and took it. The move was overkill.

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We didnt even have room for Morris. We had to restructure the Bullock deal and give him the exception to make Morris work. We pretty much spent it all day 1 and as Mills/Perry said handpicked these guys. If the plan was to lose, then we wouldn't have even gone thru all that trouble with Morris.

Bullock got restructured for his back so they had money. I said that was overkill. But they wanted that locker room vet. It worked.

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