MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] - voting reopened

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Who is your pick for the 2019-20 MVP?

Antetokounmpo
253
51%
James
53
11%
Walker
4
1%
Doncic
117
24%
Harden
27
5%
Siakam
12
2%
Jokic
4
1%
Leonard
5
1%
Davis
17
3%
Towns
5
1%
 
Total votes: 497

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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#881 » by clyde21 » Fri Nov 29, 2019 5:07 am

HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:
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Manu was also better than Duncan at TS, BPM, VORP in 2005. Its a long season man.


good thing that has nothing to do with the MVP discussion today


Lebron is also 2nd in PER, TS, Win share 48 on his team but is still 2nd in votes on this poll.


good thing I don't have LeBron up there for MVP either then, huh?
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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#882 » by HBK_Kliq_33 » Fri Nov 29, 2019 6:17 am

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Steelo Green wrote:Yeah... I am saying points is what PER and WS/48 is based on, points, rebounds, asststs, steals, that is not necessarilty an indication of on the court impact to winning. Net rating on NBA's website is a lot better for that, impact stats, PIE. Not one but an amalgamation of them all should be used to create a picture. The highest adjusted for minutes and usage is Giannis, followed by Pascal, PG, Lebron, Embiid, Jimmy, Kawhi, Jokic, Doncic.


PIE seems like an underrated stat.

Top 5: Giannis, Luka, Embiid, Kawhi, Lebron.

That's probably the 5 best players in the NBA right now too.

Brah 2 weeks ago you were raging about BPM being the best statistic because Kawhi was towards the top in it. You were also raging about his PER when it was 35.

Now that those numbers have come down you jump to another statistic. It's sad. But I do truly hope that you coming on these forums is benefiting your life because the lengths you go through to prop up Kawhi is what I can only assume an escape mechanic for something troubling in life.

I hope you find what you are looking for on these forums because basketball obviously isn't it.

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I said BPM is a good measuring stick to judge a player if they are having a superstar impact. Usually it's pushing 7's at least, it's definitely not what Siakam's BPM was at the time.

PER is a good stat but it seems mostly big men thrive off it more than wing players.
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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#883 » by clyde21 » Fri Nov 29, 2019 7:13 am

HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:
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HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:
PIE seems like an underrated stat.

Top 5: Giannis, Luka, Embiid, Kawhi, Lebron.

That's probably the 5 best players in the NBA right now too.

Brah 2 weeks ago you were raging about BPM being the best statistic because Kawhi was towards the top in it. You were also raging about his PER when it was 35.

Now that those numbers have come down you jump to another statistic. It's sad. But I do truly hope that you coming on these forums is benefiting your life because the lengths you go through to prop up Kawhi is what I can only assume an escape mechanic for something troubling in life.

I hope you find what you are looking for on these forums because basketball obviously isn't it.

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I said BPM is a good measuring stick to judge a player if they are having a superstar impact. Usually it's pushing 7's at least, it's definitely not what Siakam's BPM was at the time.

PER is a good stat but it seems mostly big men thrive off it more than wing players.


you had no problem pushing PER tho when Leonard was leading the stat earlier in the year tho
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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#884 » by Dupp » Fri Nov 29, 2019 7:24 am

The mental gymnastics is truely amazing. Quite the athlete.
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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#885 » by RaptorsLife » Fri Nov 29, 2019 7:26 am

Omg why is Kawhi even mentioned in this thread dude gonna load management his into missing 20 games
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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#886 » by HBK_Kliq_33 » Fri Nov 29, 2019 8:11 am

clyde21 wrote:
HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:
Colbinii wrote:Brah 2 weeks ago you were raging about BPM being the best statistic because Kawhi was towards the top in it. You were also raging about his PER when it was 35.

Now that those numbers have come down you jump to another statistic. It's sad. But I do truly hope that you coming on these forums is benefiting your life because the lengths you go through to prop up Kawhi is what I can only assume an escape mechanic for something troubling in life.

I hope you find what you are looking for on these forums because basketball obviously isn't it.

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I said BPM is a good measuring stick to judge a player if they are having a superstar impact. Usually it's pushing 7's at least, it's definitely not what Siakam's BPM was at the time.

PER is a good stat but it seems mostly big men thrive off it more than wing players.


you had no problem pushing PER tho when Leonard was leading the stat earlier in the year tho


Its a nice little stat but its not going to work in a debate or anything.
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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#887 » by HBK_Kliq_33 » Fri Nov 29, 2019 8:17 am

RaptorsLife wrote:Omg why is Kawhi even mentioned in this thread dude gonna load management his into missing 20 games


Missing 20 games? The 1978 MVP wants to have a talk with you.

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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#888 » by Dupp » Fri Nov 29, 2019 8:47 am

It’s 2019.
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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#889 » by Homer38 » Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:50 am

I hate so much when a thread is ruined by HBK_Kliq_33 or others for always the same thing
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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#890 » by LikeABosh » Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:47 am

Vsauce12 wrote:If we want to diminish lebrons MVP conversation, we’ll mention the fact 14 of the lakers opponents literally have records below .500


Games vs opponents .500 or below:
Lakers - 13
Mavericks - 11
Clippers - 10
Bucks - 9
Rockets - 9

17 out of 30 teams are at .500 or below. Every contender is gonna have a stretch where they can stack wins against bad competition

In the long run, this isn't going to be a concern
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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#891 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Fri Nov 29, 2019 5:33 pm

Giannis should get more credit for the team being undefeated without Middleton. It's like combining hardens narrative last year while keeping Giannis. (rebuttal to those that say Paul is way better than Middleton,. Say exactly. Giannis has been doing this 2 years without a number 2. )
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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#892 » by Colbinii » Fri Nov 29, 2019 8:11 pm

MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:Giannis should get more credit for the team being undefeated without Middleton. It's like combining hardens narrative last year while keeping Giannis. (rebuttal to those that say Paul is way better than Middleton,. Say exactly. Giannis has been doing this 2 years without a number 2. )


SHould they though?

They beat Chicago twice, Atlanta, Detroit and Portland; all bad teams. They beat Indiana without Brogdon.

The impressive win was the Utah Game which everyone says is impressive and the best game of the season so far by an individual.
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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#893 » by HBK_Kliq_33 » Fri Nov 29, 2019 8:37 pm

Homer38 wrote:I hate so much when a thread is ruined by HBK_Kliq_33 or others for always the same thing


Calling it how it is. Not my fault you can't take LeBron's head out of your ass. LeBron isn't even the best player on his own team but is still 2nd in votes on the poll, speaks volumes on how overrated he is and always has been.
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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#894 » by Dupp » Fri Nov 29, 2019 8:56 pm

Lebron is an mvp candidate and Kawhi is not. Those are facts.
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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#895 » by HBK_Kliq_33 » Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:04 pm

Dupp wrote:Lebron is an mvp candidate and Kawhi is not. Those are facts.


LeBron couldn't even beat kawhi when he didn't have Paul George. Lakers haven't really beat anybody all year besides Raptors and LeBron played terrible that game. I know one thing, trade kawhi/LeBron right now and Lakers suddenly become the favorites while Clippers only a contender.

As far as Kawhi/LeBron legacy wise, 2019 kawhi playoffs was better than 2012 or 2016 LeBron playoffs. This is Kawhi's first year with a superstar, all he has to do is not choke like 2011 LeBron did.
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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#896 » by Dupp » Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:32 pm

Weird rant. Nothing in there relevant to mvp.
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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#897 » by ken6199 » Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:36 pm

As of now Siakam is a better MVP candidate than Kawhi. I put AD, yeah two guys on that Lakers team, both above Kawhi.

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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#898 » by Dupp » Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:42 pm

If we’re actually serious for a second where would kawhi rank in mvp this year so far?

Rough order

Giannis
Lebron
Harden
Luka
AD
Jokic
Siakam


I guess he’d be down the next group around the bottom

Kemba
Goober
Kawhi?
Kat
Embiid


He legit might not even be in the top 10. Kinda embarrassing really.
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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#899 » by Colbinii » Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:45 pm

Dupp wrote:If we’re actually serious for a second where would kawhi rank in mvp this year so far?

Rough order

Giannis
Lebron
Harden
Luka
AD
Jokic
Siakam


I guess he’d be down the next group around the bottom

Kemba
Goober
Kawhi?
Kat
Embiid


He legit might not even be in the top 10. Kinda embarrassing really.

It isn't embarrassing that Kawhi isn't an MVP candidate, it is embarrassing he is still considered one by his Stans.

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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#900 » by HBK_Kliq_33 » Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:52 pm

ken6199 wrote:As of now Siakam is a better MVP candidate than Kawhi. I put AD, yeah two guys on that Lakers team, both above Kawhi.

HBK_Kliq_33, what you gonna do about this?


Fair enough, I live in America and we all have a right to opinion.

Kawhi Leonard is playing 65 games to be fresh for playoffs.

LeBron James, what are you gonna do about this?

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