Is Rick Carlisle a GOAT level coach?

ThumbsUpBaby · Post #21 » by **ThumbsUpBaby** » Mon Dec 2, 2019 3:48 am

He's a top 10 coach of all-time for me. Not a top 3 coach (GOAT level by my standards), but still at the top of the crop.

jehosafats · Post #22 » by **jehosafats** » Mon Dec 2, 2019 3:50 am

He gets kudos for playing zone in the 2011 Finals. Miami had no answer for it.

Odinn21 · Post #23 » by **Odinn21** » Mon Dec 2, 2019 3:53 am

I believe Carlisle and Spoelstra, both are far better than the credit they get. They are so overlooked and underappreciated. For some reason, I can't seperate them when there's talk about one of 'em. Both are legendary coaches.

Pg81 · Post #24 » by **Pg81** » Mon Dec 2, 2019 4:34 am

kobe_vs_jordan wrote:He's definitely underrated. But I wouldn't say a GOAT coach. Phil, Red and Pop have just done too much for him to be in the conversation.

Those three have had the good fortune of having several top 10 players of all time playing for them. :roll:

Fencer reregistered · Post #25 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Mon Dec 2, 2019 4:53 am

kobe_vs_jordan wrote:He's definitely underrated. But I wouldn't say a GOAT coach. Phil, Red and Pop have just done too much for him to be in the conversation.

Riley's up there too. He has as many coaching rings as Popovich, and more rings overall. He coached a GOAT-contender team, a championship winner with another franchise, and an overachieving Finals loser with a third.

Fencer reregistered · Post #26 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Mon Dec 2, 2019 4:56 am

Pg81 wrote:
kobe_vs_jordan wrote:He's definitely underrated. But I wouldn't say a GOAT coach. Phil, Red and Pop have just done too much for him to be in the conversation.

Those three have had the good fortune of having several top 10 players of all time playing for them.

Red and Pop had one each, actually. (Red ran the team for the Celtics' first 16 championships, but he only coached the first 9.)

ThumbsUpBaby · Post #27 » by **ThumbsUpBaby** » Mon Dec 2, 2019 5:01 am

Pg81 wrote:
kobe_vs_jordan wrote:He's definitely underrated. But I wouldn't say a GOAT coach. Phil, Red and Pop have just done too much for him to be in the conversation.

Those three have had the good fortune of having several top 10 players of all time playing for them.

Aside from Bill Russell, which other Top 10 of All-Time players did Red have the luxury to coach?

J_T · Post #28 » by **J_T** » Mon Dec 2, 2019 5:05 am

Odinn21 wrote:I believe Carlisle and Spoelstra, both are far better than the credit they get. They are so overlooked and underappreciated. For some reason, I can't seperate them when there's talk about one of 'em. Both are legendary coaches.

Absolutely.

Rick is getting tons of respect from other coaches. Not long ago other coaches voted him as the best at making in-game adjustments. He is also getting credit for reintroducing and refreshing flow offense to the league and many successful coaches have said he was the inspiration for the strategies they were making. Not long ago one one of the head coaches (forgot who it was) said that coaches have been "borrowing" from Rick's ideas for a long time now.

I don't know about GOAT... isn't GOAT like... one? If it's not just one maybe he makes it, but he is not there yet. He is 60 now and what happens with the whole Luka era will have major impact on Carlisle's legacy.

Post #29 » by **Mamba4Goat** » Mon Dec 2, 2019 5:10 am

I'm offended OP made Monta being the Mavs best player for a year sound like it's a bad thing. I miss the days of Monta!

But in regards to Carlisle I have him on the list of guys just missing the cut for GOAT. He's freaking awesome though.

kobe_vs_jordan · Post #30 » by **kobe_vs_jordan** » Mon Dec 2, 2019 2:50 pm

Pg81 wrote:
kobe_vs_jordan wrote:He's definitely underrated. But I wouldn't say a GOAT coach. Phil, Red and Pop have just done too much for him to be in the conversation.

Those three have had the good fortune of having several top 10 players of all time playing for them.

And we seen coaches like mike brown who couldn't coach top 10 players of all time.

Swish1906 · Post #31 » by **Swish1906** » Tue Dec 3, 2019 5:44 pm

Great article about Carlisle

Carlisle’s biggest strength is his ability to find the best roles for his players. Now, for the first time in almost a decade, he can use that skill on a relevant team.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/12/3/20992745/luka-doncic-dallas-mavericks-rick-carlisle

xxSnEaKyPxx · Post #32 » by **xxSnEaKyPxx** » Tue Dec 3, 2019 5:49 pm

He isn't the best, but he's a top 5 coach of all time for me. Probably the second best in my lifetime behind Popovic for me.

xxSnEaKyPxx · Post #33 » by **xxSnEaKyPxx** » Tue Dec 3, 2019 5:51 pm

Since other players have brought up Phil Jackson, I'm just going to say it, every Championship he won, he had far and away the most talented roster in the NBA.

I don't remember many times he did more with less. I'm not saying he's a bad coach, but I do think an average coach could win with the rosters he had.

dhsilv2 · Post #34 » by **dhsilv2** » Tue Dec 3, 2019 5:54 pm

Certainly deserves his name in the discussion.

Post #35 » by **boomershadow** » Tue Dec 3, 2019 5:54 pm

I think he will be seen as a championship level coach who was at least a tier below the real GOATs like Pop or Phil Jackson,

scrabbarista · Post #36 » by **scrabbarista** » Tue Dec 3, 2019 5:54 pm

I won't get into resume or anything, but just off of the "eye-test" (over the years), he's as good as any coach I've ever seen.

Post #37 » by **Texas Chuck** » Tue Dec 3, 2019 5:57 pm

Mighty Quinn wrote:He gets kudos for playing zone in the 2011 Finals. Miami had no answer for it.

he gets credit for trusting Casey who was the architect of the zone. Not sure if everyone is aware but the summer Rick got the Mavs job, he, Dwayne Casey, and Terry Stotts were shopping themselves as a package deal with Stotts and Casey agreeing to let Rick be the head man because his resume at the time was much stronger than theirs. But the defense was turned over almost exclusively to Casey and that was his zone that the Heat, particularly Lebron struggled to solve. Remember as well the Mavs beat the Heat in both RS games that year as well with Lebron struggling in those games as well.

So much of the narrative of that Finals is about Lebron choking, and clearly to some extent his passive play is hard to explain, but the Mavs definitely deserve a lot of credit in how they defended him both in terms of personnel, but also scheme. They made a clear decision that they didn't believe Wade could beat them, but Lebron could. Wade had a great series feasting on weaker defenders while Dallas focused eveything on Lebron.

Post #38 » by **boomershadow** » Tue Dec 3, 2019 6:17 pm

xxSnEaKyPxx wrote:Since other players have brought up Phil Jackson, I'm just going to say it, every Championship he won, he had far and away the most talented roster in the NBA.

I don't remember many times he did more with less. I'm not saying he's a bad coach, but I do think an average coach could win with the rosters he had.

The Bulls were basically the villains to my 90s Pacers teams, and I despise almost everything Lakers out of pure principle, but I never found this argument that Jackson only won because of the talent he had on his rosters to be persuasive.

All those top players he coached have a total of one ring without Phil Jackson, and it's not because they lacked the opportunity.

Swish1906 · Post #39 » by **Swish1906** » Tue Dec 3, 2019 6:30 pm

The Bulls dont win so many rings without Rodman and managing and channeling Rodmans craziness over so many years was a superb job by Phil....

jpengland · Post #40 » by **jpengland** » Tue Dec 3, 2019 6:34 pm

Pinkyring where art thou..