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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 1) 

Post#1361 » by Nazrmohamed » Mon Dec 2, 2019 5:01 pm

Jeffrey wrote:I've already commented on Edwards' Melo-lite game. If he is solid on the defensive end, then I"m all for him. His offense will be 20+ scorer but can he make the team better? If we're going for a top 5 pick, I seriously want a 2-way player with good measurements (height, wingspan etc.).

Frank-Edwards-Barrett and Mitch can be a defensive force with Edwards and Barrett being the focal point of the offense.



I think that lineup works from the standpoint that itll play decent defense overall. Also Frank likes to defer. So in a way it doesn't bug me that both Edward's and RJ have slight gunner mentalities especially since both are playmakers. Frank can be somewhat of a game manager who gets guys in position to do what they do best.

However we would still lack pure shooting and at that point it would be absolutely imperative that we dump Randall for a guy like......well, like a Marcus Morris who we already have. Maybe Knox by then after another offseason would come into his own physically or ya never know. Maybe we resign Morris. Not to make this an existing players thread but I like Morris and think alot of things fall into place once you have a true stretch 4 to open things up. It's hard for me to even grade prospects for us under this bully ball lineup that Randle forces us into.

Lamelo- excels in transition and what seems like a carefree type of system where you're pushing it and making plays off instinct. Forget that with our ground and pound.

Edwards- great skills and probably could get away with a half court system cause he can create on his own but it only rewards his bad habits once we slow it down and go iso heavy

Knox- obviously needs to play smarter but when he looks great it's when we're running, letting deep shots fly in rhythm

Frank actually is better suited for a slow system as he wants to caretaker and dump it in but I still think a couple easy baskets here or there whether it be a score or assist would help his offensive profile

DSJ- probably would help him the most. Obviously if I'm looking at Melo or Manion or Cole then it's to replace him but until that happens I still think Dennis would benefit.

I dont know too many guys in the NBA who arent lumbering bigs who WOULDNT benefit from a faster pace. It's why everyone does it. So really again, it's hard for me to get excited about even this draft imagining guys with fun games and skills dumping the ball so Randall can go beast the rim. Knicks gotta do something about him. I'd even consider addition by subtraction at this point
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 1) 

Post#1362 » by robillionaire » Mon Dec 2, 2019 5:09 pm

HEZI wrote:Anybody wanna post Edwards and Lamelo efficiency so we can compare to Cole?

Actually post entire stats lets compare


http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=cole-anthony--lamelo-ball--anthony-edwards
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 1) 

Post#1363 » by newyorker4ever » Mon Dec 2, 2019 5:19 pm

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Jeffrey wrote:I've already commented on Edwards' Melo-lite game. If he is solid on the defensive end, then I"m all for him. His offense will be 20+ scorer but can he make the team better? If we're going for a top 5 pick, I seriously want a 2-way player with good measurements (height, wingspan etc.).

Frank-Edwards-Barrett and Mitch can be a defensive force with Edwards and Barrett being the focal point of the offense.



I think that lineup works from the standpoint that itll play decent defense overall. Also Frank likes to defer. So in a way it doesn't bug me that both Edward's and RJ have slight gunner mentalities especially since both are playmakers. Frank can be somewhat of a game manager who gets guys in position to do what they do best.

However we would still lack pure shooting and at that point it would be absolutely imperative that we dump Randall for a guy like......well, like a Marcus Morris who we already have. Maybe Knox by then after another offseason would come into his own physically or ya never know. Maybe we resign Morris. Not to make this an existing players thread but I like Morris and think alot of things fall into place once you have a true stretch 4 to open things up. It's hard for me to even grade prospects for us under this bully ball lineup that Randle forces us into.

Lamelo- excels in transition and what seems like a carefree type of system where you're pushing it and making plays off instinct. Forget that with our ground and pound.

Edwards- great skills and probably could get away with a half court system cause he can create on his own but it only rewards his bad habits once we slow it down and go iso heavy

Knox- obviously needs to play smarter but when he looks great it's when we're running, letting deep shots fly in rhythm

Frank actually is better suited for a slow system as he wants to caretaker and dump it in but I still think a couple easy baskets here or there whether it be a score or assist would help his offensive profile

DSJ- probably would help him the most. Obviously if I'm looking at Melo or Manion or Cole then it's to replace him but until that happens I still think Dennis would benefit.

I dont know too many guys in the NBA who arent lumbering bigs who WOULDNT benefit from a faster pace. It's why everyone does it. So really again, it's hard for me to get excited about even this draft imagining guys with fun games and skills dumping the ball so Randall can go beast the rim. Knicks gotta do something about him. I'd even consider addition by subtraction at this point


We have got to get a guard who's a finisher and can shoot. Someone who can take control at the end of games with the ball in his hands whether that's setting the team up on the court to get the shots needed to stay in games or can make the winning shot. We don't have that guy right now. I really hope we can get our future star PG out of this draft but if we can't then it has to be a SG that can take over a game in the 4th quarter. I actually think LaMelo is that type of player that would have no problem being the guy to take over games in the 4th quarter. I really like Niko Mannion as well and Edwards. It's time for us to get a legit PG in a Knicks uniform though and this is the draft to take our shot. I'm good with any one of Mannion, Melo or Cole and if not then going with Edwards and taking a shot at either getting another 1st round pick by trading back into the 1st round or in free agency but it's time to get our PG.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 1) 

Post#1364 » by HEZI » Mon Dec 2, 2019 5:21 pm

robillionaire wrote:
HEZI wrote:Anybody wanna post Edwards and Lamelo efficiency so we can compare to Cole?

Actually post entire stats lets compare


http://www.tankathon.comy/players/compare?players=cole-anthony--lamelo-ball--anthony-edwards


There it is

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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 1) 

Post#1365 » by robillionaire » Mon Dec 2, 2019 5:24 pm

HEZI wrote:
robillionaire wrote:
HEZI wrote:Anybody wanna post Edwards and Lamelo efficiency so we can compare to Cole?

Actually post entire stats lets compare


http://www.tankathon.comy/players/compare?players=cole-anthony--lamelo-ball--anthony-edwards


There it is

Thank you sir


Posting again since there’s a random letter y on the quoted link

http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=cole-anthony--lamelo-ball--anthony-edwards
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 1) 

Post#1366 » by TheGreenArrow » Mon Dec 2, 2019 6:07 pm

I honestly don't think cole a is top 5 pick.

Id easily take hampton and nico over him.

1.Lamelo
2.Edwards
3.Wiseman
4.Hampton
5.Nico
6.Cole

Anyrhing after that and we are ****.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 1) 

Post#1367 » by DOT » Mon Dec 2, 2019 6:51 pm

And just like that, Cole has risen to the top of my board
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 1) 

Post#1368 » by Nazrmohamed » Mon Dec 2, 2019 7:05 pm

newyorker4ever wrote:
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Jeffrey wrote:I've already commented on Edwards' Melo-lite game. If he is solid on the defensive end, then I"m all for him. His offense will be 20+ scorer but can he make the team better? If we're going for a top 5 pick, I seriously want a 2-way player with good measurements (height, wingspan etc.).

Frank-Edwards-Barrett and Mitch can be a defensive force with Edwards and Barrett being the focal point of the offense.



I think that lineup works from the standpoint that itll play decent defense overall. Also Frank likes to defer. So in a way it doesn't bug me that both Edward's and RJ have slight gunner mentalities especially since both are playmakers. Frank can be somewhat of a game manager who gets guys in position to do what they do best.

However we would still lack pure shooting and at that point it would be absolutely imperative that we dump Randall for a guy like......well, like a Marcus Morris who we already have. Maybe Knox by then after another offseason would come into his own physically or ya never know. Maybe we resign Morris. Not to make this an existing players thread but I like Morris and think alot of things fall into place once you have a true stretch 4 to open things up. It's hard for me to even grade prospects for us under this bully ball lineup that Randle forces us into.

Lamelo- excels in transition and what seems like a carefree type of system where you're pushing it and making plays off instinct. Forget that with our ground and pound.

Edwards- great skills and probably could get away with a half court system cause he can create on his own but it only rewards his bad habits once we slow it down and go iso heavy

Knox- obviously needs to play smarter but when he looks great it's when we're running, letting deep shots fly in rhythm

Frank actually is better suited for a slow system as he wants to caretaker and dump it in but I still think a couple easy baskets here or there whether it be a score or assist would help his offensive profile

DSJ- probably would help him the most. Obviously if I'm looking at Melo or Manion or Cole then it's to replace him but until that happens I still think Dennis would benefit.

I dont know too many guys in the NBA who arent lumbering bigs who WOULDNT benefit from a faster pace. It's why everyone does it. So really again, it's hard for me to get excited about even this draft imagining guys with fun games and skills dumping the ball so Randall can go beast the rim. Knicks gotta do something about him. I'd even consider addition by subtraction at this point


We have got to get a guard who's a finisher and can shoot. Someone who can take control at the end of games with the ball in his hands whether that's setting the team up on the court to get the shots needed to stay in games or can make the winning shot. We don't have that guy right now. I really hope we can get our future star PG out of this draft but if we can't then it has to be a SG that can take over a game in the 4th quarter. I actually think LaMelo is that type of player that would have no problem being the guy to take over games in the 4th quarter. I really like Niko Mannion as well and Edwards. It's time for us to get a legit PG in a Knicks uniform though and this is the draft to take our shot. I'm good with any one of Mannion, Melo or Cole and if not then going with Edwards and taking a shot at either getting another 1st round pick by trading back into the 1st round or in free agency but it's time to get our PG.


I hear you for sure. I don't know if I'd reach though for a PG just to land one in this draft. The guys you got at the top are no brainers but keep in mind, we drafted Frank at 7 and picked up Smith who was at 8. Not saying that they haven't been headaches to watch but at the same time its not like we're great at developing PGs so to simply add yet another Pg to the mix.......I'd do it for a stud like you mentioned but I'm not reaching to land one.

So if it's a wing that's the stud and hes got playmaking skills with no PG in sight unless it's a reach then it's free agency or trade for me. I know we suck so much at trades that we don't see it as a viable option but there are teams in this league that have 2 PGs better than ours or wanna rebuild themselves. In your scenario where you've landed say Edward's and already have Barrett it might make sense then to go after a vet. Way too early to make those decisions but I just hate it when we get so need based (a sometimes rightfully so) that we force something that's not there cuz to me that's how we got Frank in the first place. That year everyone was like "we cant leave this draft without a pg" and we got (or didn't get) what we asked for.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 1) 

Post#1369 » by newyorker4ever » Mon Dec 2, 2019 7:19 pm

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I think that lineup works from the standpoint that itll play decent defense overall. Also Frank likes to defer. So in a way it doesn't bug me that both Edward's and RJ have slight gunner mentalities especially since both are playmakers. Frank can be somewhat of a game manager who gets guys in position to do what they do best.

However we would still lack pure shooting and at that point it would be absolutely imperative that we dump Randall for a guy like......well, like a Marcus Morris who we already have. Maybe Knox by then after another offseason would come into his own physically or ya never know. Maybe we resign Morris. Not to make this an existing players thread but I like Morris and think alot of things fall into place once you have a true stretch 4 to open things up. It's hard for me to even grade prospects for us under this bully ball lineup that Randle forces us into.

Lamelo- excels in transition and what seems like a carefree type of system where you're pushing it and making plays off instinct. Forget that with our ground and pound.

Edwards- great skills and probably could get away with a half court system cause he can create on his own but it only rewards his bad habits once we slow it down and go iso heavy

Knox- obviously needs to play smarter but when he looks great it's when we're running, letting deep shots fly in rhythm

Frank actually is better suited for a slow system as he wants to caretaker and dump it in but I still think a couple easy baskets here or there whether it be a score or assist would help his offensive profile

DSJ- probably would help him the most. Obviously if I'm looking at Melo or Manion or Cole then it's to replace him but until that happens I still think Dennis would benefit.

I dont know too many guys in the NBA who arent lumbering bigs who WOULDNT benefit from a faster pace. It's why everyone does it. So really again, it's hard for me to get excited about even this draft imagining guys with fun games and skills dumping the ball so Randall can go beast the rim. Knicks gotta do something about him. I'd even consider addition by subtraction at this point


We have got to get a guard who's a finisher and can shoot. Someone who can take control at the end of games with the ball in his hands whether that's setting the team up on the court to get the shots needed to stay in games or can make the winning shot. We don't have that guy right now. I really hope we can get our future star PG out of this draft but if we can't then it has to be a SG that can take over a game in the 4th quarter. I actually think LaMelo is that type of player that would have no problem being the guy to take over games in the 4th quarter. I really like Nico Mannion as well and Edwards. It's time for us to get a legit PG in a Knicks uniform though and this is the draft to take our shot. I'm good with any one of Mannion, Melo or Cole and if not then going with Edwards and taking a shot at either getting another 1st round pick by trading back into the 1st round or in free agency but it's time to get our PG.


I hear you for sure. I don't know if I'd reach though for a PG just to land one in this draft. The guys you got at the top are no brainers but keep in mind, we drafted Frank at 7 and picked up Smith who was at 8. Not saying that they haven't been headaches to watch but at the same time its not like we're great at developing PGs so to simply add yet another Pg to the mix.......I'd do it for a stud like you mentioned but I'm not reaching to land one.

So if it's a wing that's the stud and hes got playmaking skills with no PG in sight unless it's a reach then it's free agency or trade for me. I know we suck so much at trades that we don't see it as a viable option but there are teams in this league that have 2 PGs better than ours or wanna rebuild themselves. In your scenario where you've landed say Edward's and already have Barrett it might make sense then to go after a vet. Way too early to make those decisions but I just hate it when we get so need based (a sometimes rightfully so) that we force something that's not there cuz to me that's how we got Frank in the first place. That year everyone was like "we cant leave this draft without a pg" and we got (or didn't get) what we asked for.


Yeah i never said anything about reaching for a PG and mentioned the top 3 PG's that i like in Nico, Melo and Cole as the only 3 i'd take if we have a top 5-6 pick. I don't see any of those 3 as a reach if we get a top 5-6 pick but i am starting to not be as much of a fan of Cole as i was going into the season. From what i've seen so far he doesn't really do too much for me and what i want for our legit PG. If we end up picking around the 7-8-9 spot or later then i'm first seeing what it would take to trade up to get one of the guys that i'm really loving and if not it's BPA for me and get our PG elsewhere, whether that be taking a shot on one with our 2nd round pick, trading back into the mid to late 1st and drafting one, trading for a veteran or free agency but as of now the star players don't see us as a destination they wanna come play for the next 3-4 years. I'm all about keeping on building through the draft cause if Barrett ends up being what we hope and Mitch, Frank, Knox and the other young kids we have keep getting better and we can really hit big in the lottery then we could become a good young team in 2-3 years and really start something good.

Did Phil go into that Frank draft with his eyes only on getting a PG cause i don't remember hearing any talk like that. I mean we heard he really liked Frank cause he fit his triangle bullcrap but don't remember hearing anything about it being about just getting a PG in that draft. Maybe some fans on here were saying it but not sure Phil/Mills were.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 1) 

Post#1370 » by Nazrmohamed » Mon Dec 2, 2019 8:04 pm

Well idk if Phil was gung ho about PG as a position but I remember the vibe everywhere and most media and fans being about us needing a PG. It was definitely asked in interviewed of FO. I think maybe for Phil Frank was sort of his comprise. You know, get a PG but somebody who plays his style. But I cant confirm any of that and it was a while back.

As far as second round PG? Idk. I think you can find decent players anywhere depending on your expectations but my expectations just wouldnt be high if that's where we got one. I like the way you think though. But the knicks are never crafty like that. When was the last time you heard a draft night trade include the Knicks where we added multiple picks or moved up. I root for it almost every time though. I typically want to trade something between 7-10 for that yearly team that has 13 and 20.
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Post#1371 » by newyorker4ever » Mon Dec 2, 2019 8:20 pm

Nazrmohamed wrote:Well idk if Phil was gung ho about PG as a position but I remember the vibe everywhere and most media and fans being about us needing a PG. It was definitely asked in interviewed of FO. I think maybe for Phil Frank was sort of his comprise. You know, get a PG but somebody who plays his style. But I cant confirm any of that and it was a while back.

As far as second round PG? Idk. I think you can find decent players anywhere depending on your expectations but my expectations just wouldnt be high if that's where we got one. I like the way you think though. But the knicks are never crafty like that. When was the last time you heard a draft night trade include the Knicks where we added multiple picks or moved up. I root for it almost every time though. I typically want to trade something between 7-10 for that yearly team that has 13 and 20.


Draft and free agency time are my favorite time of year for the big 4 sports. I probably actually do more posting on my sports teams message boards during those times then i do when they're playing games cause i'm not much for getting in on the gameday threads cause there's too many people on there talking game but don't know what the hellz they're really talking about so you won't find me in on those gameday threads. I wish we had a GM that was more active during the draft and would trade up and down and trade for picks in future drafts like D.Ainge does. I don't think S.Perry or S.Mills are creative or active enough to make some good draft trades during the draft.
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Post#1374 » by Orange Mamba » Mon Dec 2, 2019 10:17 pm

Pretty early but I think I'm rockin w/ Mannion if we're talking PGs
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Post#1375 » by Jimmit79 » Mon Dec 2, 2019 10:23 pm

I think Nico is the next Steph Curry Skills IQ shooter.

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Post#1376 » by Jeffrey » Mon Dec 2, 2019 11:32 pm

Nazrmohamed wrote:
Jeffrey wrote:I've already commented on Edwards' Melo-lite game. If he is solid on the defensive end, then I"m all for him. His offense will be 20+ scorer but can he make the team better? If we're going for a top 5 pick, I seriously want a 2-way player with good measurements (height, wingspan etc.).

Frank-Edwards-Barrett and Mitch can be a defensive force with Edwards and Barrett being the focal point of the offense.



I think that lineup works from the standpoint that itll play decent defense overall. Also Frank likes to defer. So in a way it doesn't bug me that both Edward's and RJ have slight gunner mentalities especially since both are playmakers. Frank can be somewhat of a game manager who gets guys in position to do what they do best.

However we would still lack pure shooting and at that point it would be absolutely imperative that we dump Randall for a guy like......well, like a Marcus Morris who we already have. Maybe Knox by then after another offseason would come into his own physically or ya never know. Maybe we resign Morris. Not to make this an existing players thread but I like Morris and think alot of things fall into place once you have a true stretch 4 to open things up. It's hard for me to even grade prospects for us under this bully ball lineup that Randle forces us into.

Lamelo- excels in transition and what seems like a carefree type of system where you're pushing it and making plays off instinct. Forget that with our ground and pound.

Edwards- great skills and probably could get away with a half court system cause he can create on his own but it only rewards his bad habits once we slow it down and go iso heavy

Knox- obviously needs to play smarter but when he looks great it's when we're running, letting deep shots fly in rhythm

Frank actually is better suited for a slow system as he wants to caretaker and dump it in but I still think a couple easy baskets here or there whether it be a score or assist would help his offensive profile

DSJ- probably would help him the most. Obviously if I'm looking at Melo or Manion or Cole then it's to replace him but until that happens I still think Dennis would benefit.

I dont know too many guys in the NBA who arent lumbering bigs who WOULDNT benefit from a faster pace. It's why everyone does it. So really again, it's hard for me to get excited about even this draft imagining guys with fun games and skills dumping the ball so Randall can go beast the rim. Knicks gotta do something about him. I'd even consider addition by subtraction at this point


I agree with your assessment. If we're going for a wing, we really need this player to shoot. If Frank is part of the future as a starter, you're right that he is a game manager type (see Charlie Ward) that plays excellent defense.

I don't even mind having DSJr but it all depends on what player we draft. I see his lack of intensity on the defensive end when his offense doesn't get going and that's problematic especially when you're in the league for 3 years.
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Post#1379 » by robillionaire » Tue Dec 3, 2019 4:42 am

newyorker4ever wrote:
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Look at the author, lol.


What about him?


He was making a joke about his name I think

But if you actually look past the title dig in and read the article I found the author was fair and critical of his weaknesses as well and the article didn't come across as hype fluff or woo but seemed to be a somewhat decent analysis of lamelo
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Post#1380 » by Mecca » Tue Dec 3, 2019 7:58 am

Put me down as loving Nico Mannion. I need to watch him more, but boy is his vision impressive. He has the illest floater I've seen come out of the draft, sans Trae. He gives me a lot of Steve Nash vibes.
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