Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII

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I can't fathom a reason for NY to consider it. Payton is better than IT and Gibson is better than Mahinmi. Remember, Payton started early in the season before he got hurt. He's due back in 2 weeks.

I suppose NY is one of the few teams with a bad enough front office to be fooled by IT's counting stats. I'd definitely pull the trigger on the deal if NY would go for it. Gibson would be a great influence on our young bigs.

The other advantage is that both Gibson and Payton have team options next year (well, Payton is non-guaranteed, which is practically the same thing). That gives us a little more trade flexibility. We could, for example, opt to keep them next year if we needed their salaries as ballast to make an offseason trade.

Ehhh... Not even that great for us either. Both have 1M guaranteed, so thats 2M in cap space we give up next year even if we decline the option.

Actually both guys aren't guaranteed unless they haven't been cut by June 28, 2020. So basically, the 2nd year is not guaranteed. And even if that $1M was guaranteed, it doesn't matter. The Wizards will be well under the luxtax with no capability of getting to the tax even if they resign Bertans and a full MLE free agent.

I'd really like this deal because I really like Taj Gibson. He'd be a great veteran mentor and help teach our young bigs toughness and defensive aptitude. I'd love for Rui to be exactly like Gibson on D (but with Rui's superior offensive gifts).

No kidding!

I fail to see any benefit whatever to the Knicks in this trade. No FO would be bad enough to go for it.

[gambitx777]

Please Google what he's doing in the g league right now please. He's not on the team because of personal issues.and some times guys deserve a second chance.

I wonder if it would be worth a call to the grizz about Josh jackson.i wonder if he has his **** sorted out ?what would it cost. Could we do some kind of thing there

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Dear God.... Jackson hasnt played a minute of NBA basketball for one of the worst teams in the league... as he shouldnt.
He is NOT an NBA player. He doesnt do a SINGLE THING at even a average level.

Size: narrow shoulders, small frame, small hands, short arms
Athleticism: Decent open court leaper, but cant handle contact, weak, poor lateral quickness, poor 2nd jump
Shooting: 41/29/65 shooting line. Atrocious
Playmaking: Averages more turnovers than assist
Rebounding: ehhh... under 10% RBD% makes him about average for a 2/3
Defense: Not a complete turnstile, but barely a luke warm body...

Given his draft position, Minutes, and production... he is almost unparalleled... Think Rookie Adam Morrison & Mudiay...and our own Yi Jianlian

Hard Pass

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[DCZards]

Interesting thought , but not sure I want to see Brown at PG right now. IMO it would reinforce his bad habits.

If I was the coach, I’d tell him he simply has to play better and be more locked in on both ends, and he will earn minutes at the 2/3. Moving his position sets a precedent of rewarding his poor play and doesn’t encourage him to improve his off-ball skills.

I’m not sure what bad habits you’re talking about with Troy…other than he needs to improve his shooting, which is something I assume he’s working on.

The NBA is becoming more and more a positionless league. Rather than pigeonholing a player into playing a certain position it’s more important that a team take into account the player’s strengths and weaknesses and then put him in the best position to succeed. (It’s also the best way to build a young player’s confidence.)

In Troy’s case, I think that means giving him more opportunities to operate with the ball in his hands, regardless of his position.

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What Zards said....

[nzahir]

Outsider here:

Would you guys take salary filler, 1-2 year small deal(s) and 2-3 2nds for Bertans?

Mirotic got 4 2nds last year, but I think he is/was a better player

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Depends on the small deals & where/when the R2 picks fall. IOW, too vague....

[trast66]

Outsider here:

Would you guys take salary filler, 1-2 year small deal(s) and 2-3 2nds for Bertans?

Mirotic got 4 2nds last year, but I think he is/was a better player

Yes.

[nzahir]

Outsider here:

Would you guys take salary filler, 1-2 year small deal(s) and 2-3 2nds for Bertans?

Mirotic got 4 2nds last year, but I think he is/was a better player

Yes.

You think his value is closer to 2 or 3 2nds? I feel like 3 is a good amount

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

I’d try to resign Bertans. In a decent scheme, he’d be deadly. Someone with that kind of range, who’s a good person and a hard worker. You add those kind of players even if you overpay a little.

[Illmatic12]

Outsider here:

Would you guys take salary filler, 1-2 year small deal(s) and 2-3 2nds for Bertans?

Mirotic got 4 2nds last year, but I think he is/was a better player

It depends on whose 2nd rounders we're talking about .
The Mirotic trade included two second round picks from our own Washington Wizards, which are much more valuable than say a Mil Bucks second round selection.

Fwiw I don't think the Wizards front office would do it unless it was for a FRP.

[Illmatic12]

I’d try to resign Bertans. In a decent scheme, he’d be deadly. Someone with that kind of range, who’s a good person and a hard worker. You add those kind of players even if you overpay a little.

And with the FA market being so thin this summer but huge next summer, not many teams are going to spend money to eat into their 2021 capspace.

So without bidders wildly driving his price up the Wiz have a good chance of retaining Bertans on a reasonable deal. It's really a no-brainer to try and lock him up, Bertans acquisition was a very fortunate situation that lined up perfectly for us.

[trast66]

Outsider here:

Would you guys take salary filler, 1-2 year small deal(s) and 2-3 2nds for Bertans?

Mirotic got 4 2nds last year, but I think he is/was a better player

Yes.

You think his value is closer to 2 or 3 2nds? I feel like 3 is a good amount

I’d be overjoyed with 2 if one was in the first draft with high schoolers.

Davis is playing well and someone is going to pay him more than is wise.

[nzahir]

Yes.

You think his value is closer to 2 or 3 2nds? I feel like 3 is a good amount

I’d be overjoyed with 2 if one was in the first draft with high schoolers.

Davis is playing well and someone is going to pay him more than is wise.

Asking from LAL side

Would easily give up 2 2nds, probably even 3 2nds.

[Ruzious]

I have little to no interest in Lakers 2nd round picks. I'd hold out for a late 1st - from a team that has one. Quality over quantity.

[nate33]

You think his value is closer to 2 or 3 2nds? I feel like 3 is a good amount

I’d be overjoyed with 2 if one was in the first draft with high schoolers.

Davis is playing well and someone is going to pay him more than is wise.

Asking from LAL side

Would easily give up 2 2nds, probably even 3 2nds.

Easier said than done. You've already given away your 2020, 2021 and 2022 2nd round picks.

Even if you gave us 3 2nds, they'd have to be the 2023, 2024 and 2025 2nd round pick. Very few GM's in this league have the job security to give away current value for a return that comes so far into the future.

[nzahir]

I’d be overjoyed with 2 if one was in the first draft with high schoolers.

Davis is playing well and someone is going to pay him more than is wise.

Asking from LAL side

Would easily give up 2 2nds, probably even 3 2nds.

Easier said than done. You've already given away your 2020, 2021 and 2022 2nd round picks.

Even if you gave us 3 2nds, they'd have to be the 2023, 2024 and 2025 2nd round pick. Very few GM's in this league have the job security to give away current value for a return that comes so far into the future.

All fair enough

Just thinking

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For sure, Lakers' R2 picks are going to be way too late in the game to play into such a trade. Do the Lakers hold any picks from any other teams? If not, they'd have to start talking about R1 picks, I agree.

In any case, if you were acquiring Bertans, you'd need to subtract a player. Who would it be? E.g., is Talen Horton-Tucker available as part of a trade for Davis?

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What about this deal (has to happen post December 15th)

Wiz trade IT+Mahinmi for Taj Gibson+Elfrid Payton?

Knicks get a PG who can hit open shots (and is a stealth tank commander) while we get a vet big in Gibson and a defensive PG in Payton.

I can't fathom a reason for NY to consider it. Payton is better than IT and Gibson is better than Mahinmi. Remember, Payton started early in the season before he got hurt. He's due back in 2 weeks.

I suppose NY is one of the few teams with a bad enough front office to be fooled by IT's counting stats. I'd definitely pull the trigger on the deal if NY would go for it. Gibson would be a great influence on our young bigs.

The other advantage is that both Gibson and Payton have team options next year (well, Payton is non-guaranteed, which is practically the same thing). That gives us a little more trade flexibility. We could, for example, opt to keep them next year if we needed their salaries as ballast to make an offseason trade.

All trades with the Knicks should be predicated on the idea that their FO is stupid. Otherwise, where's the fun?

Would they take Moe Wagner & IT for Mitchell Robinson & their 2020 R2 pick, I wonder?

[nzahir]

For sure, Lakers' R2 picks are going to be way too late in the game to play into such a trade. Do the Lakers hold any picks from any other teams? If not, they'd have to start talking about R1 picks, I agree.

In any case, if you were acquiring Bertans, you'd need to subtract a player. Who would it be? E.g., is Talen Horton-Tucker available as part of a trade for Davis?

We have no 1sts to trade

Our 2nds are a few years away as well (they may be decent for all we know down the line if this thing is a few year run, lebron is 35 this month).

I would do THT (projected 1st) and 2 2nds.

Boogie (cut) or Cook, THT, and 2 2nds (2023 and 2024 or 2025?

Realgm trade checker says it works actually.

Probably an underpay, but a small favor for you guys stealing all our young talent

Bertans should get a 10-15M deal depending on the years. Why basically cap your team out to be this team?

But I am also of the mindset you guys should move Beal and start all over.

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We have no 1sts to trade

Our 2nds are a few years away as well (they may be decent for all we know down the line if this thing is a few year run, lebron is 35 this month).

I would do THT (projected 1st) and 2 2nds.

Boogie (cut) or Cook, THT, and 2 2nds (2023 and 2024 or 2025?...

THT plus a first down the line plus 2 R2 picks w/ 1 being in the first year high school grads are in the draft...? Sure. Or am I mis-reading?

The 2d version, make it Cook -- but you have to take back IT as well. Ok?

Bertans should get a 10-15M deal depending on the years. Why basically cap your team out to be this team?...

If we could sign Bertans for $10m most here would keep him....

...But I am also of the mindset you guys should move Beal and start all over.

Too much love for Brad here for that to be practical.

Not to mention that, with our $$ obligations to Wall, we'd be hamstrung "starting over" right now.