Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20

Post #541 » by **Darth Celtic** » Mon Dec 2, 2019 9:30 pm

Banks2Pierce wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:Davis Bertrans is the guy I would love but his play might be making Washington think about keeping him.

He's in the Mirotic/Tyreke zone where an expiring guy is not enough of an upgrade to give up a 1st for. Maybe for Milwaukee or something that are playing on the margins, but it would be a bad move for us to do it.

what did they give up to get him from the spurs? Just cap space right? I'd give up the frenchman and green and 2 2nds for him. No way a first. No way.

Post #542 » by **sully00** » Mon Dec 2, 2019 10:14 pm

Darth Celtic wrote:
Banks2Pierce wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:Davis Bertrans is the guy I would love but his play might be making Washington think about keeping him.

He's in the Mirotic/Tyreke zone where an expiring guy is not enough of an upgrade to give up a 1st for. Maybe for Milwaukee or something that are playing on the margins, but it would be a bad move for us to do it.

what did they give up to get him from the spurs? Just cap space right? I'd give up the frenchman and green and 2 2nds for him. No way a first. No way.

Not even talking about the individual player, but I would have no problem with Boston cashing their own pick or MIL's pick for some right now help. Like I said I am not super familiar with his game besides he is killing it from 3. He does have Bird Rights so he isn't necessarily a rental either. That said coming up with 7 mil in salary is another thing.

Theocy · Post #543 » by **Theocy** » Tue Dec 3, 2019 12:57 am

Gordon hayward Tatum and every single pick we have for following 2 years for Yianis

Fencer reregistered · Post #544 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Tue Dec 3, 2019 1:34 am

sam_I_am wrote:
Gomes3PC wrote:
Wes-J wrote:
Uh yeah name dropping guys that have titles are a given but the others mentioned have not even made the finals. Bottomline I don't think it's as simple as that.

Of course it isn't, but the fact of the matter is we don't have a top 10 guy and nobody on the roster reasonably projects to that right now. Maybe Tatum if you really squint your eyes, but he's probably closer to a Paul George / Paul Pierce in his upside than a KG or Kawhi.

KG wasn’t top 10 or even top 20 in 2010 and yet the Celtics came very close. He was much closer to Al Horford than the Big Ticket that year.

Pierce was top 10 in 2008-9, if accolades are to be believed. Rondo got stray votes for MVP and hence was technically top-10 in MVP voting in 2011 and 2012. So it was a talented team.

sam_I_am · Post #545 » by **sam_I_am** » Tue Dec 3, 2019 1:47 am

Fencer reregistered wrote:
sam_I_am wrote:
Gomes3PC wrote:Of course it isn't, but the fact of the matter is we don't have a top 10 guy and nobody on the roster reasonably projects to that right now. Maybe Tatum if you really squint your eyes, but he's probably closer to a Paul George / Paul Pierce in his upside than a KG or Kawhi.

KG wasn’t top 10 or even top 20 in 2010 and yet the Celtics came very close. He was much closer to Al Horford than the Big Ticket that year.

Pierce was top 10 in 2008-9, if accolades are to be believed. Rondo got stray votes for MVP and hence was technically top-10 in MVP voting in 2011 and 2012. So it was a talented team.

Pierce and KG were great but not considered top 10 at that time. Ray Allen was beginning decline. Michael Finley and Rasheed Wallace were no longer elite. Rondo was an all star but at his peak couldn’t make Olympic team. Yet, that team was extremely talented and had Perk and Tony Allen on the bench. Rondo-Ray may have hated each other....but they were a perfect backcourt and their talents meshed so well that their individual deficiencies hardly mattered.

Our current team has great talent too but is short on veteran savvy and lacks a star front court player which I believe is more important than having top 10 guy. We could possibly beat LA Clippers in a finals with some luck but without a stud PF/C we probably can’t get there.

Dannyboy36 · Post #546 » by **Dannyboy36** » Tue Dec 3, 2019 12:33 pm

Average Boston sports fan take( not a Celtic fanatic one)- Danny Ainge better trade Hayward or brown for a good big man to make a run at the finals . But not Tatum or Smart for anybody in the league.
They’d be fine with just making finals because we’d be very “ relevant”. Oh my god how I hate hearing the word relevant attached to the Celtics from Bostonians when that would be er be considered for the Pats or Red Sox.

Dannyboy36 · Post #547 » by **Dannyboy36** » Tue Dec 3, 2019 2:58 pm

sam_I_am wrote:
Fencer reregistered wrote:
sam_I_am wrote:
KG wasn’t top 10 or even top 20 in 2010 and yet the Celtics came very close. He was much closer to Al Horford than the Big Ticket that year.

Pierce was top 10 in 2008-9, if accolades are to be believed. Rondo got stray votes for MVP and hence was technically top-10 in MVP voting in 2011 and 2012. So it was a talented team.

Pierce and KG were great but not considered top 10 at that time. Ray Allen was beginning decline. Michael Finley and Rasheed Wallace were no longer elite. Rondo was an all star but at his peak couldn’t make Olympic team. Yet, that team was extremely talented and had Perk and Tony Allen on the bench. Rondo-Ray may have hated each other....but they were a perfect backcourt and their talents meshed so well that their individual deficiencies hardly mattered.

Our current team has great talent too but is short on veteran savvy and lacks a star front court player which I believe is more important than having top 10 guy. We could possibly beat LA Clippers in a finals with some luck but without a stud PF/C we probably can’t get there.

I feel like there’s a CHANCE at the finals but it may need to come thru avoiding Philly and meeting the Bucks instead. But if its either LA team it’s a extreme long shot. Especially vs the Clippers where our only advantage vs most teams ( quickness) is negated .

Dannyboy36 · Post #548 » by **Dannyboy36** » Tue Dec 3, 2019 3:01 pm

I expect the Lakers will have added a key piece either in trade or buyouts to bolster their team. They’ll already be extremely hard to beat in a series but at least we have more brains on the team with Hayward and a Kemba.

Fencer reregistered · Post #549 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Tue Dec 3, 2019 3:55 pm

Dannyboy36 wrote:I expect the Lakers will have added a key piece either in trade or buyouts to bolster their team. They’ll already be extremely hard to beat in a series but at least we have more brains on the team with Hayward and a Kemba.

Rondo and Lebron are pretty smart.

Fencer reregistered · Post #550 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Tue Dec 3, 2019 4:00 pm

Dannyboy36 wrote:I expect the Lakers will have added a key piece either in trade or buyouts to bolster their team. .

Unfortuately, that's easier for other teams than us. It's hard to imagine who would move the needle for us other than a few centers, none of whom is likely to be bought out.

leper-con · Post #551 » by **leper-con** » Tue Dec 3, 2019 6:20 pm

Theres an article on Celtics blog, about a rumour that we are trading for Dimwiddle and Andre Jordan, the Memphis pick and Gordo goes the other way?

https://www.republicworld.com/sports-news/basketball-news/celtics-trade-rumours-the-celtics-might-trade-for-spencer-dinwiddie.html

Celts17Pride · Post #552 » by **Celts17Pride** » Tue Dec 3, 2019 6:42 pm

leper-con wrote:Theres an article on Celtics blog, about a rumour that we are trading for Dimwiddle and Andre Jordan, the Memphis pick and Gordo goes the other way?

https://www.republicworld.com/sports-news/basketball-news/celtics-trade-rumours-the-celtics-might-trade-for-spencer-dinwiddie.html

Thank you but this is the biggest bunch of bull ***. NBA Reports :lol:

leper-con · Post #553 » by **leper-con** » Tue Dec 3, 2019 6:45 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
leper-con wrote:Theres an article on Celtics blog, about a rumour that we are trading for Dimwiddle and Andre Jordan, the Memphis pick and Gordo goes the other way?

https://www.republicworld.com/sports-news/basketball-news/celtics-trade-rumours-the-celtics-might-trade-for-spencer-dinwiddie.html

Thank you but this is the biggest bunch of bull ***. NBA Reports

something to chit chat about. But as soon as this guy becomes a Celtic. He won't be able to shot anymore. He absolutely roasts us constantly.

Post #554 » by **Feed Your Head** » Tue Dec 3, 2019 6:46 pm

leper-con wrote:Theres an article on Celtics blog, about a rumour that we are trading for Dimwiddle and Andre Jordan, the Memphis pick and Gordo goes the other way?

https://www.republicworld.com/sports-news/basketball-news/celtics-trade-rumours-the-celtics-might-trade-for-spencer-dinwiddie.html

That is up there with the least believable made up rumors I've ever seen.

Celts17Pride · Post #555 » by **Celts17Pride** » Tue Dec 3, 2019 6:54 pm

The Comedian wrote:
leper-con wrote:Theres an article on Celtics blog, about a rumour that we are trading for Dimwiddle and Andre Jordan, the Memphis pick and Gordo goes the other way?

https://www.republicworld.com/sports-news/basketball-news/celtics-trade-rumours-the-celtics-might-trade-for-spencer-dinwiddie.html

That is up there with the least believable made up rumors I've ever seen.

I don't know, you should check the RealGM trade board.

Post #556 » by **Feed Your Head** » Tue Dec 3, 2019 6:59 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
The Comedian wrote:
leper-con wrote:Theres an article on Celtics blog, about a rumour that we are trading for Dimwiddle and Andre Jordan, the Memphis pick and Gordo goes the other way?

https://www.republicworld.com/sports-news/basketball-news/celtics-trade-rumours-the-celtics-might-trade-for-spencer-dinwiddie.html

That is up there with the least believable made up rumors I've ever seen.

I don't know, you should check the RealGM trade board.

Oh i have, that's child's play compared to trading Hayward and the Grizzlies unprotected pick for spencer ******* Dinwiddie.

mademan · Post #557 » by **mademan** » Tue Dec 3, 2019 7:09 pm

The Comedian wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
The Comedian wrote:
That is up there with the least believable made up rumors I've ever seen.

I don't know, you should check the RealGM trade board.

Oh i have, that's child's play compared to trading Hayward and the Grizzlies unprotected pick for spencer ******* Dinwiddie.

maybe ainge feels bad about the whole Billy King thing?

Post #558 » by **Parliament10** » Tue Dec 3, 2019 10:38 pm

What/Where/Who can we Trade Wanamaker + Ojeleye + Poirier?

Patsfan1081 · Post #559 » by **Patsfan1081** » Tue Dec 3, 2019 11:17 pm

sam_I_am wrote:
Fencer reregistered wrote:
sam_I_am wrote:
KG wasn’t top 10 or even top 20 in 2010 and yet the Celtics came very close. He was much closer to Al Horford than the Big Ticket that year.

Pierce was top 10 in 2008-9, if accolades are to be believed. Rondo got stray votes for MVP and hence was technically top-10 in MVP voting in 2011 and 2012. So it was a talented team.

Pierce and KG were great but not considered top 10 at that time. Ray Allen was beginning decline. Michael Finley and Rasheed Wallace were no longer elite. Rondo was an all star but at his peak couldn’t make Olympic team. Yet, that team was extremely talented and had Perk and Tony Allen on the bench. Rondo-Ray may have hated each other....but they were a perfect backcourt and their talents meshed so well that their individual deficiencies hardly mattered.

Our current team has great talent too but is short on veteran savvy and lacks a star front court player which I believe is more important than having top 10 guy. We could possibly beat LA Clippers in a finals with some luck but without a stud PF/C we probably can’t get there.

KG was all NBA first team, 3rd in MVP his first year in Boston, the following season Pierce was second team, 7th in votes.

sam_I_am · Post #560 » by **sam_I_am** » Tue Dec 3, 2019 11:23 pm

Patsfan1081 wrote:
sam_I_am wrote:
Fencer reregistered wrote:
Pierce was top 10 in 2008-9, if accolades are to be believed. Rondo got stray votes for MVP and hence was technically top-10 in MVP voting in 2011 and 2012. So it was a talented team.

Pierce and KG were great but not considered top 10 at that time. Ray Allen was beginning decline. Michael Finley and Rasheed Wallace were no longer elite. Rondo was an all star but at his peak couldn’t make Olympic team. Yet, that team was extremely talented and had Perk and Tony Allen on the bench. Rondo-Ray may have hated each other....but they were a perfect backcourt and their talents meshed so well that their individual deficiencies hardly mattered.

Our current team has great talent too but is short on veteran savvy and lacks a star front court player which I believe is more important than having top 10 guy. We could possibly beat LA Clippers in a finals with some luck but without a stud PF/C we probably can’t get there.

KG was all NBA first team, 3rd in MVP his first year in Boston, the following season Pierce was second team, 7th in votes.

I was talking 2010 after KG knee injury. Even though PP/KG/RA we’re past peak and they finished season 27-27 over final 54 games, they had 7 very talented players and made it to game 7 of finals which they should have won.....without a top 15 player.