2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 1)

[TheScout31]

Look at the author, lol.

What about him?

He was making a joke about his name I think

But if you actually look past the title dig in and read the article I found the author was fair and critical of his weaknesses as well and the article didn't come across as hype fluff or woo but seemed to be a somewhat decent analysis of lamelo

Nah, wasn’t a joke. If you go back and read his mini blurbs the last few years on prospects, they aren’t good. I’ll leave it at that.

[spree2kawhi]

Is there anybody convinced Lamelo will get it done in the NBA? Because I could totally see him being a bust...

If so, why? Because he's 6'7? Like Evan Turner, MCW etc? I mean he's not as talented as Tyreke Evans imo.

[Knicksfan1992]

Put me down as loving Nico Mannion. I need to watch him more, but boy is his vision impressive. He has the illest floater I've seen come out of the draft, sans Trae. He gives me a lot of Steve Nash vibes.

I worry about, specifically with the Knicks young guys and what their current young guys strengths and weaknesses are so far, his inability to get into the paint. He seems more like a game manager type PG at the next level with maybe a little bit more of a dynamic pull up game possibly. I like him though.

[RHODEY]

Put me down as loving Nico Mannion. I need to watch him more, but boy is his vision impressive. He has the illest floater I've seen come out of the draft, sans Trae. He gives me a lot of Steve Nash vibes.

I worry about, specifically with the Knicks young guys and what their current young guys strengths and weaknesses are so far, his inability to get into the paint. He seems more like a game manager type PG at the next level with maybe a little bit more of a dynamic pull up game possibly. I like him though.

Yeah like him but there's a slight worry that he would turn into a "Kirk Hinrich" type.

[newyorker4ever]

Is there anybody convinced Lamelo will get it done in the NBA? Because I could totally see him being a bust...

If so, why? Because he's 6'7? Like Evan Turner, MCW etc? I mean he's not as talented as Tyreke Evans imo.

NOBODY knows what any prospect will become after making the transition from college or overseas to the NBA cause it's such a big transition and so much of it has to do with what's between the ears which is where you can't predict. All these kids that get drafted have talent and plenty of it but when you put them in the NBA and they have to deal with bigger, stronger, faster, more athletic men and the way the game is played in the NBA and they get all this money and are living these lifestyles of being a NBA player where your whole lifestyle changes, that's where they need to be able to handle all of that mentally and that's not something anyone on the outside will know until we actually see it.

[TheScout31]

Is there anybody convinced Lamelo will get it done in the NBA? Because I could totally see him being a bust...

If so, why? Because he's 6'7? Like Evan Turner, MCW etc? I mean he's not as talented as Tyreke Evans imo.

He's way more talented than any of those guys. The biggest issues with him are his shot and defense, which are huge issues. He has unreal vision / passing feel though and his touch in the paint is good, but the question marks are huge.

[RHODEY]

Put me down as loving Nico Mannion. I need to watch him more, but boy is his vision impressive. He has the illest floater I've seen come out of the draft, sans Trae. He gives me a lot of Steve Nash vibes.

I worry about, specifically with the Knicks young guys and what their current young guys strengths and weaknesses are so far, his inability to get into the paint. He seems more like a game manager type PG at the next level with maybe a little bit more of a dynamic pull up game possibly. I like him though.

Yeah like him but there's a slight worry that he would turn into a "Kirk Hinrich" type.

Scratch that, this kid is a very safe pick with considerable ceiling.

Watch on YouTube

Love his passing , not super creative like Lamelo , but super effective, and that shot is wet.

[BugginOut]

I want Anthony Edwards cause I just want someone who can shoot. The Knicks should take Lamelo if he’s not available, but idk if we are the team that can develop him properly.

[newyorker4ever]

What about Anthony Cowan Jr (PG Maryland?) Some say he's the best closing PG in all of college basketball. They say he's great at the end of games and that's what we need. Don't know much about him myself but heard them talking about him on ESPN.

[HEZI]

Man I don't know what people are talking about calling Vernon Carey Jr. an outdated big but that kid is a flat out stud

[stuporman]

Nico has moved past Cole in my mind so far, his floater is going to be so dangerous at the next level, he can pretty much float from 3 point range, too. It's amazing.

He's not going to be great defensively but isn't a complete matador plus he can shoot with unlimited range and is great facilitator, not flashy but sees the floor well and makes the unselfish extra pass with a quickness.

I just don't see Pills taking this kid, he doesn't look like their type of low BBIQ, athletic player who can't shoot....they love those.

[knickstape21]

Mannion sure looks like he has a nice feel for the game. Really like to see that. Passes are crisp.

[TheGreenArrow]

I want Anthony Edwards cause I just want someone who can shoot. The Knicks should take Lamelo if he’s not available, but idk if we are the team that can develop him properly.

I have faith in Masai

[spree2kawhi]

Is there anybody convinced Lamelo will get it done in the NBA? Because I could totally see him being a bust...

If so, why? Because he's 6'7? Like Evan Turner, MCW etc? I mean he's not as talented as Tyreke Evans imo.

He's way more talented than any of those guys. The biggest issues with him are his shot and defense, which are huge issues. He has unreal vision / passing feel though and his touch in the paint is good, but the question marks are huge.

This is exactly what I saw and that's a no go. I wouldn't touch such a prospect. Don't even want such a player starting for me, he'd be where the problems start. Didn't even mention his dumbass dad.

[Worst_to_First]

Just popping in to say Cole makes me yawn. Very basic player who makes me tired watching him play. Next in line of the very long list of overrated overhyped NYC point guards.

His effiency is pretty poor and his playmaking is not good. Just 1 assist in his last game and 3 assists in the prior game. I am not seeing how people would take him #1, let alone I don’t even think he is the best PG of the draft. While I think he will still be a solid player and won’t be that upset if we got him, I am definitely taking Wiseman, Edwards, Lamelo, Nico over him.

I think Nico has moved to as high as #3 in my list. The thing I like about him and Wiseman is that it looks like they already have their unstoppable bread-and-butter go to moves to fall back on when things aren’t going right... for Nico his floater and Wiseman his fadeaway jumper in the post.

Must admit though that it is going to be hard to pass on Cole for sentimental reasons. Cole could end up being that Donovan Mitchell hometown kid turned star that we pass on.

[2010]

Is there anybody convinced Lamelo will get it done in the NBA? Because I could totally see him being a bust...

If so, why? Because he's 6'7? Like Evan Turner, MCW etc? I mean he's not as talented as Tyreke Evans imo.

He's way more talented than any of those guys. The biggest issues with him are his shot and defense, which are huge issues. He has unreal vision / passing feel though and his touch in the paint is good, but the question marks are huge.

I'm not really worried about the defense. I think he will surprise on that end the way his brother did. The concern there is effort-based. To me the biggest concern is his shot. Particularly if drafted by the Knicks considering the current roster is devoid of real shooters.

[TheScout31]

Is there anybody convinced Lamelo will get it done in the NBA? Because I could totally see him being a bust...

If so, why? Because he's 6'7? Like Evan Turner, MCW etc? I mean he's not as talented as Tyreke Evans imo.

He's way more talented than any of those guys. The biggest issues with him are his shot and defense, which are huge issues. He has unreal vision / passing feel though and his touch in the paint is good, but the question marks are huge.

I'm not really worried about the defense. I think he will surprise on that end the way his brother did. The concern there is effort-based. To me the biggest concern is his shot. Particularly if drafted by the Knicks considering the current toster is devoid of real shooters.

His brother was always a good defender, whereas LaMelo was always a sieve.

[2010]

He's way more talented than any of those guys. The biggest issues with him are his shot and defense, which are huge issues. He has unreal vision / passing feel though and his touch in the paint is good, but the question marks are huge.

I'm not really worried about the defense. I think he will surprise on that end the way his brother did. The concern there is effort-based. To me the biggest concern is his shot. Particularly if drafted by the Knicks considering the current toster is devoid of real shooters.

His brother was always a good defender, whereas LaMelo was always a sieve.

Lonzo had concerns about his defense in high school and while in college. Until he got to the NBA and proved he could be an impact level defender when locked in.

"On the defensive side of the court, Ball is adept at forcing turnovers, but he does not have the overall impact that his physical tools would suggest … Ball struggles at times containing dribble penetration against quicker guards, which was particularly exposed against De’Aaron Fox, who exploded for 39 points against him in the NCAA Tournament … Ball also does not have great awareness when being screened, and he also could show more consistent effort to fight through screens and recover "

Scouting report ^

[2010]

I hope NBA ratings continue to plummet across the board. Maybe the fear of the league losing money spurs Silver to rig us Edwards. There is no greater boost for the NBA economy and ratings than the Knicks being relevant. If the league is smart, they will gift wrap us Edwards.

But then again, they are more concerned with dumb ideas like in-season tournaments with the winner getting an extra draft pick, making the good teams "gooder".

[3toheadmelo]

Just popping in to say Cole makes me yawn. Very basic player who makes me tired watching him play. Next in line of the very long list of overrated overhyped NYC point guards.

His effiency is pretty poor and his playmaking is not good. Just 1 assist in his last game and 3 assists in the prior game. I am not seeing how people would take him #1, let alone I don’t even think he is the best PG of the draft. While I think he will still be a solid player and won’t be that upset if we got him, I am definitely taking Wiseman, Edwards, Lamelo, Nico over him.

I think Nico has moved to as high as #3 in my list. The thing I like about him and Wiseman is that it looks like they already have their unstoppable bread-and-butter go to moves to fall back on when things aren’t going right... for Nico his floater and Wiseman his fadeaway jumper in the post.

Must admit though that it is going to be hard to pass on Cole for sentimental reasons. Cole could end up being that Donovan Mitchell hometown kid turned star that we pass on.

I am more scared to pass up Lamelo Ball lol. I think his potential is insane and could be one of the best guards in the league but I am also worried that the Knicks will ruin him.

I think I feel pretty comfortable passing up Cole. He will be good but his upside isn’t as high as the other guards imo.