2019 Fantasy Basketball Thread - Make trade offers here if you'd like

[bwgood77]

We should never shoot down ideas based on the reason that they will mess up previously defined strategies/rosters.

If an idea is good, we implement it being mindful with the impacts it has on decisions made before. The cap one, for example, we can implement in stages, where we start with a very large cap figure that gets reduced gradually over time, so teams contending can adjust their roster over a couple of seasons (at least).

On the 8 or 7 keepers + 1st round pick idea, I still need to come up with a system that takes into account 1st round picks that get traded, so whoever's traded them can't just keep the 8th player every year.

Overall, I think the league has observed some up and down movement in standings, but there are a few consistent contenders and a few consistent bottomdwellers that may indicate we are not giving them a good enough chance to mix things up every season. The dynasty league should allow people to build over time and see the development of their good ideas, but should also give people the chance to compete every season. It's a fine balance.

Yeah, I tried to make a trade earlier and told the guy in the trade that since he would be sending me his 1st round pick, he could only have 7 keepers or something like that, and I think it makes things much more difficult.

I think that in general, 8 keepers works because of the influx of rookies each year and more people with good vets contributing them may move on from them. Originally I think we were considering moving to 9.

[TASTIC]

Another option I’ve used in multiple dynasty leagues is keeping the player the round you selected them in.

So it rewards astute drafting (or FA/waiver adding). Easy enough to track as well

[bwgood77]

Another option I’ve used in multiple dynasty leagues is keeping the player the round you selected them in.

So it rewards astute drafting (or FA/waiver adding). Easy enough to track as well

What exactly do you mean?

[TASTIC]

Another option I’ve used in multiple dynasty leagues is keeping the player the round you selected them in.

So it rewards astute drafting (or FA/waiver adding). Easy enough to track as well

What exactly do you mean?

Yeah thinking about it - it likely won't work with our league because we keep so many players compared to how many we don't.

Would have if worked we started up with that thought process, but can't really do it now.

Essentially if I'd drafted say Sabonis in the 9th round, I could choose to keep him as my 9th round pick next year. Advantage being, if you draft someone really deep and they crush their value, you're rewarded with getting a free earlier pick because you're keeping Sabonis in the 9th round.

Players added in FA/waivers -- ONLY if not drafted, by any team -- are entered as your last pick(s). So even if they were drafted then dropped, they are still assigned a potential keeper round slot.

So if we kept 5 players for example and drafted 7, keeping Sabonis as my 9th round pick means I can slot him in there if I choose to. So instead of my keepers looking like this by default (again, using 5 keepers as an example):
1 - Keeper A
2 - Keeper B
3 - Keeper C
4 - Keeper D
5 - Keeper Sabonis
6 - New Draft 1
7 - New Draft 2
8 - New Draft 3
9 - New Draft 4
10 - New Draft 5
11 - New Draft 6
12 - New Draft 7

It would look like this - using just Sabonis in the 9th round as the example:
1 - Keeper A
2 - Keeper B
3 - Keeper C
4 - Keeper D
5 - New Draft 1
6 - New Draft 2
7 - New Draft 3
8 - New Draft 4
9 - Keeper Sabonis
10 - New Draft 5
11 - New Draft 6
12 - New Draft 7

So my 'New Draft 1' has moved up a round, so I gain a 5th rounder for nabbing Sabonis late and nailing that pick. For it to work, everyone's 8 keepers would just be locked in as 1-8, regardless of rank.

Again, if we're keeping 8 I don't think it really works very well. Works perfectly in MLB because rosters are so massive ie I got to keep Vlad Jr in like the 15th round cos that's when I took him last season etc. Even if you limited one of these swaps as wild card pick, if people wanted to use one.

Devonte' Graham for example is 100% a keeper for me now and I grabbed him off waivers, so I'd use my last pick for him in the next draft.

You could even just limit it to teams outside the top 6/8 whatever to improve their draft.

Yahoo mention it here:
https://basketball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/nba/17367/keepertools

[MathiasPW]

Another option I’ve used in multiple dynasty leagues is keeping the player the round you selected them in.

So it rewards astute drafting (or FA/waiver adding). Easy enough to track as well

What exactly do you mean?

Yeah thinking about it - it likely won't work with our league because we keep so many players compared to how many we don't.

Would have if worked we started up with that thought process, but can't really do it now.

Essentially if I'd drafted say Sabonis in the 9th round, I could choose to keep him as my 9th round pick next year. Advantage being, if you draft someone really deep and they crush their value, you're rewarded with getting a free earlier pick because you're keeping Sabonis in the 9th round.

Players added in FA/waivers -- ONLY if not drafted, by any team -- are entered as your last pick(s). So even if they were drafted then dropped, they are still assigned a potential keeper round slot.

So if we kept 5 players for example and drafted 7, keeping Sabonis as my 9th round pick means I can slot him in there if I choose to. So instead of my keepers looking like this by default (again, using 5 keepers as an example):
1 - Keeper A
2 - Keeper B
3 - Keeper C
4 - Keeper D
5 - Keeper Sabonis
6 - New Draft 1
7 - New Draft 2
8 - New Draft 3
9 - New Draft 4
10 - New Draft 5
11 - New Draft 6
12 - New Draft 7

It would look like this - using just Sabonis in the 9th round as the example:
1 - Keeper A
2 - Keeper B
3 - Keeper C
4 - Keeper D
5 - New Draft 1
6 - New Draft 2
7 - New Draft 3
8 - New Draft 4
9 - Keeper Sabonis
10 - New Draft 5
11 - New Draft 6
12 - New Draft 7

So my 'New Draft 1' has moved up a round, so I gain a 5th rounder for nabbing Sabonis late and nailing that pick. For it to work, everyone's 8 keepers would just be locked in as 1-8, regardless of rank.

Again, if we're keeping 8 I don't think it really works very well. Works perfectly in MLB because rosters are so massive ie I got to keep Vlad Jr in like the 15th round cos that's when I took him last season etc. Even if you limited one of these swaps as wild card pick, if people wanted to use one.

Devonte' Graham for example is 100% a keeper for me now and I grabbed him off waivers, so I'd use my last pick for him in the next draft.

You could even just limit it to teams outside the top 6/8 whatever to improve their draft.

Yahoo mention it here:
https://basketball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/nba/17367/keepertools

While very creative, this also perpetuates good decisions. The cap idea is good as it forces you to adjust your team periodically as bright stars get paid - just like in the NBA. I'll do some research on this, I am sure there are some tools available out there.

As for the 8th keeper vs 7th + pick, for now let's assume that if you trade your 1st rounder, you'll only have 7 keepers at the end of the season. This increases the value of picks in trades, which is a good thing, I think.

[Qwigglez]

I like the idea of a cap, but not actually doing it, these would be my keepers at 7 for next season
Giannis - $27.5
Booker - $29.4
Drummond - $28 (player option, so probably more)
Lavine - $19.5
Whiteside - $18 (Free Agent, but this is his range maybe, IDK)
Kennard - $5.2
Redick - $13 (Not sure if he is my 7th

If I went with an 8th keeper it would probably be Ingles, but unsure right now.
I would think the cap would have to be a lot more than the NBA cap, since we only have 16 teams, and that means we'll have a lot more higher caliber players obviously. When we initially drafted I wanted to go young and grabbed some win now players like Batum early, and then I think I took Collison, and Redick. I got some massive help when Batsmasher traded me Drummond for a 2nd round pick in the 2nd year of dynasty draft, but this is when Drummond was ranked like top 50 or 60 because of his poor FT shooting. I would also be way higher in the standings if Giannis could get back to his career 73% from the line, instead he is at a putrid 60%.

[Desertfox]

The cap is definitely interesting and something that would benefit me a lot with my young team. It just sucks that I just traded Fox. He would be a lot more valuable as a trade piece if the cap had already been in place.

[MathiasPW]

Most of the criticism I found online so far regards adapting a keepers league to a cap league without a new draft.

The thing is that all cap leagues have auction-based drafts, instead of snake drafts, and just inputting a cap on a team selected through snake draft may cause some teams to be way over or below the cap from the start.

Auction drafts basically work by making bids on available players and then trying to build a decent team within your budget limits. Say you have $200 as a cap, and you get AD by bidding $75, you are left with 125$ to fill your other 11 roster spots.

An interesting idea I saw that may be paired with the cap is to have different contract terms for your players. Say, from 8 keepers, you choose 2 of each for 4-years, 3-years, 2 years and 1-year contracts, and their cap values would be determined by an outside source (Yahoo has one: https://basketball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/nba/draftanalysis?tab=AD&pos=ALL&sort=DA_AP, for example).

This will create an attractive FA pool every year while still allow you to carry most of your team from one year to another. The Free Agents would then be auctioned. Teams that benefit from a lucky cap situation on day 1 will have stronger bidding power on the first offseason, but less so on the 2nd, as more of their good contracts start being thrown back into the FA pool, and so on.

We would still have a draft for rookies every year, separately from the FA.

There are lots and lots of details to work on this, but want to see how people feel about it, in general

[bigfoot]

Most of the criticism I found online so far regards adapting a keepers league to a cap league without a new draft.

The thing is that all cap leagues have auction-based drafts, instead of snake drafts, and just inputting a cap on a team selected through snake draft may cause some teams to be way over or below the cap from the start.

Auction drafts basically work by making bids on available players and then trying to build a decent team within your budget limits. Say you have $200 as a cap, and you get AD by bidding $75, you are left with 125$ to fill your other 11 roster spots.

An interesting idea I saw that may be paired with the cap is to have different contract terms for your players. Say, from 8 keepers, you choose 2 of each for 4-years, 3-years, 2 years and 1-year contracts, and their cap values would be determined by an outside source (Yahoo has one: https://basketball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/nba/draftanalysis?tab=AD&pos=ALL&sort=DA_AP, for example).

This will create an attractive FA pool every year while still allow you to carry most of your team from one year to another. The Free Agents would then be auctioned. Teams that benefit from a lucky cap situation on day 1 will have stronger bidding power on the first offseason, but less so on the 2nd, as more of their good contracts start being thrown back into the FA pool, and so on.

We would still have a draft for rookies every year, separately from the FA.

There are lots and lots of details to work on this, but want to see how people feel about it, in general

To be clear I'm not even suggesting a cap league because that might cause a lot of extra work throughout the year with trades and such. What I am suggesting is a once-a-year cap be imposed when you select your keepers. So let's use Qwiggles' team as an example. If the keeper cap was $140M for example, he would only be able to keep six of the seven players he listed. The pool for drafting then becomes filled with more quality players such that a losing manager might actually choose a quality veteran over a 1st round prospect. After the keepers are picked then just draft as normal ... no bidding necessary. It also promotes trades as a manager who suspects he will be over the cap in the next season might move a very good player so he doesn't lose two keepers.

[sunskerr]

Happy Thanksgiving. After seeing Tastic drop Adams to waivers, boy am I thankful I asked for Wagner instead of Adams in the Fox trade. I think it's the 3rd or 4th time I've rostered him

[TASTIC]

Happy Thanksgiving. After seeing Tastic drop Adams to waivers, boy am I thankful I asked for Wagner instead of Adams in the Fox trade. I think it's the 3rd or 4th time I've rostered him

I wanted to hold Adams but that FT% and inconsistency is a killer. Much rather use that slot to stash Noel or Boucher, both have much higher upside unfortunately.

Have been slowly making my way up the standings, mainly due to Dinwiddie killing it!! Had to drop Kuzma, again I just think he's a black hole in AST and defensive stats and just doesn't have the upside in LA.

[Book1Nation]

Looking to make a 2 for 1 deal in G-League. Everyone available. HMU

[sunskerr]

Happy Thanksgiving. After seeing Tastic drop Adams to waivers, boy am I thankful I asked for Wagner instead of Adams in the Fox trade. I think it's the 3rd or 4th time I've rostered him

I wanted to hold Adams but that FT% and inconsistency is a killer. Much rather use that slot to stash Noel or Boucher, both have much higher upside unfortunately.

Have been slowly making my way up the standings, mainly due to Dinwiddie killing it!! Had to drop Kuzma, again I just think he's a black hole in AST and defensive stats and just doesn't have the upside in LA.

I think Kuzma just isn't that good flat out. His upside is imo a 6th-7th rounder on a team without Davis and LeBron. Maybe 5th round value at his highest if we're pushing it. As far as being a black hole in certain categories, I don't really care about that in roto so long as the player good value overall and that value isn't being wasted on a category you're 1st in by a mile (like how TJ Warren on my team had wasted production in points).

Boucher has good upside because of Gasol's age, but Adams is also still 26 so it's not like his play is declining due to age right now, or any time soon. I decided to take a flier on Adams despite kinda rubbishing him in that post because I had the roster space. My plan is that hopefully at least one of him or Looney plays well and I get to cut the other one once Kyrie returns.

[MathiasPW]

Updated PER GAME Rankings for Dynasty. Weeka and Qwigglez continue a tight battle for 1st.

Sunskerr with his new team is looking great, but is falling behind on amount of games played (as is bwgood). Make sure you adjust your strategies not to leave too many games hanging because you were waiting for your injured guys to come back.

Kerrsed has been notorious in his bouncy ways, winning Season 17/18, tanking (unsuccesfully) last year and now being back in fighting for a top 3 finish, along with TASTIC, who's been working his magic towards relevance.

[bwgood77]

Updated PER GAME Rankings for Dynasty. Weeka and Qwigglez continue a tight battle for 1st.

Sunskerr with his new team is looking great, but is falling behind on amount of games played (as is bwgood). Make sure you adjust your strategies not to leave too many games hanging because you were waiting for your injured guys to come back.

Kerrsed has been notorious in his bouncy ways, winning Season 17/18, tanking (unsuccesfully) last year and now being back in fighting for a top 3 finish, along with TASTIC, who's been working his magic towards relevance.

Injuries have just been killers and at times I haven't had available IR spots to move IL players to so them and players that are out fill out my bench and maybe roster spots. Then I have DTD guys and they don't play.

But I'm trying to keep a full lineup as best I can.

[TASTIC]

HUGE day in dynasty for me today.

6 players and my team's averaging 23.5pts 6.5reb 4.7ast 2.3st and 3.5x 3s today. 52% FG and 78% FT

Up 9 points today

Devonte Graham 10 THREES wowee...

[sunskerr]

Surprised to see my team appears to have actually gained ground. I suspect that won't last with Hayward returning to take some opportunity away from Jaylen Brown, and me being so far behind in games played that I will have to dig into my bench players to catch up.

Also, Steve Adams.

[bwgood77]

Surprised to see my team appears to have actually gained ground. I suspect that won't last with Hayward returning to take some opportunity away from Jaylen Brown, and me being so far behind in games played that I will have to dig into my bench players to catch up.

Also, Steve Adams.

What do you mean about Hayward? He was playing great to start. Oh, I guess that means you don't have Hayward so he will eat into Brown's playing time. Missing Hayward is hurting me. Lowry too, but luckily I also drafted FVV, so I'm sure it's helping him. It's just the replacements for Hayward and Lowry are not as good. Fultz has been playing ok, but it was hard to replace Hayward, and I got behind in SF games, toggling between Glenn Robinson III and someone worse (can't remember who)...was someone else, now maybe Crowder.

I'm talking about Premier.

Dynasty I haven't been able to do anything. Not a great team but injuries killing me once again.

[Kyler Murray]

So, in the premier league I accidentally dropped luke kennard instead of ntilikina, can a commish fix this?

[bwgood77]

So, in the premier league I accidentally dropped luke kennard instead of ntilikina, can a commish fix this?

Probably better to PM and

.

since I don't see him around much. I'd also send a league email through the fantasy site to let people know what happened and mention Kerrsed is going to fix it so to please not pick him up.