2019 season speculation including trade ideas

[bwgood77]

We are better, when healthy. We may not ever be fully healthy but we will get Ayton back. Lets stop the trade for $30 million injury prone overpaid declining superstars until we see this team at full strength. Everyone always wants to constantly turn over this roster. I thought that might end after how good we saw we were when healthy early. Guess not.

You want to put your faith in Ayton? In case you didn't notice he let this team down and appears to have zero passion for the game.

I don't have much choice, but he does help a lot with efficiency and reboundingn and if his first game was any indication, his defense has improved immensely. Obviously he let the team down big time.

[lilfishi22]

We are better, when healthy. We may not ever be fully healthy but we will get Ayton back. Lets stop the trade for $30 million injury prone overpaid declining superstars until we see this team at full strength. Everyone always wants to constantly turn over this roster. I thought that might end after how good we saw we were when healthy early. Guess not.

You want to put your faith in Ayton? In case you didn't notice he let this team down and appears to have zero passion for the game.

It might not ultimately matter if we still suck but it's hard to rule him out from having any impact on the game. Just getting us easier shots, drawing defenders with his gravity and giving us another offensive option should have some impact. Defensively, we'll have to see

[bwgood77]

but hey guys, we are Standing on a 9-11 record which no one realy expected.

We are missing guys like Baynes and Ayton and in Times Rubio, we´ll be good if we can get ayton back and throw baynes as his backup. than we´ll be more relaxed with frank and saric playing the 4 spot.

Right now we are playing crap but thats on the Young guys. i think we played in the 4th with carter I Jerome I Cam I Bridges and Diallo - Hell thats a gleague Squad.

but i gotta say that i am dissapointed with saric. Maybe trade him, tyler and carter for klove. a proven scorer, Rebounder everything we´ll Need Right now

Yeah, there were some that predicted us to be around 500 or better, but I think most were somewhere between 30-35 wins, or maybe a few more, but if you told everyone before the season that Ayton would be out 25 games, and ask what the record would be after 20, few would have had us even near 500. Especially if you add that Jerome was out all but 2 of those and mentioned how many Baynes and Rubio missed. The team is still overall exceeding my expectations.

Now I can understand disappointment after such a strong start, but it was quite obvious the difference maker Baynes was, but without him or Ayton, we have no one in the middle which makes things very tough and it's hard to beat anyone. New Orleans has been in a similar position and most expected them better than us and they are 6-15, and they have better shooters and defenders than we do.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

For me, the most disappointing aspect of this season has been watching all these other young players leapfrog Booker. If Booker's our best player, our potential as a team is capped at second tier. So we are in fact depending on Ayton to be that guy. Of course, even then, the cast of young players we've built around him, despite all our suffering, just isn't that great.

Not just Doncic, but Ingram, and then you have Morant looking like he'll be a better player, and Herro looking like he too might even be an upgrade in a couple years.

I'm not advocating that we trade Book. I'm just saying that it looks like our extremely painful rebuild did net us any goats, defecating or otherwise. We blew it.

[GoodBehavior]

but hey guys, we are Standing on a 9-11 record which no one realy expected.

We are missing guys like Baynes and Ayton and in Times Rubio, we´ll be good if we can get ayton back and throw baynes as his backup. than we´ll be more relaxed with frank and saric playing the 4 spot.

Right now we are playing crap but thats on the Young guys. i think we played in the 4th with carter I Jerome I Cam I Bridges and Diallo - Hell thats a gleague Squad.

but i gotta say that i am dissapointed with saric. Maybe trade him, tyler and carter for klove. a proven scorer, Rebounder everything we´ll Need Right now

Yeah, there were some that predicted us to be around 500 or better, but I think most were somewhere between 30-35 wins, or maybe a few more, but if you told everyone before the season that Ayton would be out 25 games, and ask what the record would be after 20, few would have had us even near 500. Especially if you add that Jerome was out all but 2 of those and mentioned how many Baynes and Rubio missed. The team is still overall exceeding my expectations.

Now I can understand disappointment after such a strong start, but it was quite obvious the difference maker Baynes was, but without him or Ayton, we have no one in the middle which makes things very tough and it's hard to beat anyone. New Orleans has been in a similar position and most expected them better than us and they are 6-15, and they have better shooters and defenders than we do.

Pelicans have Favors and Okafor. Pelicans still sucked even with both. They're in a different situation from us.

Magics were without Vucevic and Bamba is a stick figure out there, and they embarrassed us.

I agree, once DA / Baynes come back, we will be better. But everyone else needs to play better, regardless of the center rotations. Ever since the Miami games, guys are under performing, except Bridges.

[bwgood77]

but hey guys, we are Standing on a 9-11 record which no one realy expected.

We are missing guys like Baynes and Ayton and in Times Rubio, we´ll be good if we can get ayton back and throw baynes as his backup. than we´ll be more relaxed with frank and saric playing the 4 spot.

Right now we are playing crap but thats on the Young guys. i think we played in the 4th with carter I Jerome I Cam I Bridges and Diallo - Hell thats a gleague Squad.

but i gotta say that i am dissapointed with saric. Maybe trade him, tyler and carter for klove. a proven scorer, Rebounder everything we´ll Need Right now

Yeah, there were some that predicted us to be around 500 or better, but I think most were somewhere between 30-35 wins, or maybe a few more, but if you told everyone before the season that Ayton would be out 25 games, and ask what the record would be after 20, few would have had us even near 500. Especially if you add that Jerome was out all but 2 of those and mentioned how many Baynes and Rubio missed. The team is still overall exceeding my expectations.

Now I can understand disappointment after such a strong start, but it was quite obvious the difference maker Baynes was, but without him or Ayton, we have no one in the middle which makes things very tough and it's hard to beat anyone. New Orleans has been in a similar position and most expected them better than us and they are 6-15, and they have better shooters and defenders than we do.

Pelicans have Favors and Okafor. Pelicans still sucked even with both. They're in a different situation from us.

Magics were without Vucevic and Bamba is a stick figure out there, and they embarrassed us.

I agree, once DA / Baynes come back, we will be better. But everyone else needs to play better, regardless of the center rotations. Ever since the Miami games, guys are under performing, except Bridges.

Magic still was a playoff team last year with far more size than us, their backup C and 3rd stringer Bamba. Khem Birch has played well in Vucevic's absense shooting 75%, averaging 9 boards a game. They upgraded their PG position as well adding Fultz who has played well.

They won 23 more games than us last year, tasted the playoffs, were at home, so a loss was probably expected.

I do agree we need to play much better. We have suddenly started playing with that losing mentality more often than not when Baynes isn't out there and we need to change that.

Pelicans will be tough I believe despite their record. Especially if Baynes is still out.

[bwgood77]

For me, the most disappointing aspect of this season has been watching all these other young players leapfrog Booker. If Booker's our best player, our potential as a team is capped at second tier. So we are in fact depending on Ayton to be that guy. Of course, even then, the cast of young players we've built around him, despite all our suffering, just isn't that great.

Not just Doncic, but Ingram, and then you have Morant looking like he'll be a better player, and Herro looking like he too might even be an upgrade in a couple years.

I'm not advocating that we trade Book. I'm just saying that it looks like our extremely painful rebuild did net us any goats, defecating or otherwise. We blew it.

Well, Ayton should be expected to be better, being a #1 pick in a great class, while Booker was a late lotto pick who played sparingly in college.

Obviously Booker has vastly exceeded expectations but I am not sure why you think people are leap frogging him. This is by far his best year to date, offensively with efficiency and definitely defensively overall.

Him taking over games and dominating the ball never led to many wins. It seems so many are pining for that type of play from him after the last few years, but it wasn't pretty other than every once in a while.

Now sure, sometimes he looks a little disinterested and I still wish he'd be a little more friendly with refs as I think it would benefit him greatly getting calls. This is the first time he is being talked about as a potential all star outside of this forum, and it is obviously in large part due to injuries to Curry and Klay, but nonetheless, even if they were healthy I think Booker would be getting more talk for that last spot over others (unless they had filled all the guard spots).

[Ghost of Kleine]

Here's a few thoughts on how to address our positional depth issues, and give us a small cushion in Aytons' and Baynes' absence possibly.

1- Phoenix/Oklahoma/Orlando.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=vazrfuj .
*** We can send Orlando a 2022 Top 10 protected first. And we get back a first from Oklahoma city ( nuggetspick, in the 20s' likely), For giving them further cap relief( Johnson's expiring) and a cheaper option at the 4 ( Saric). So hoenix gets the Thunders' 2020 pick ( from the nuggets). Take ***Ayo Dosunma or *** Isiah Joe ( If a guard) Amyr Sylla ( If a big). Or maybe package both picks in order to move up for Okongwu? ( if needed).


2- Phoenix/ San Antonio/ Miami.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=v52kanr .
*** Phoenix sends a 2022 Top 10 lottery protected first ( San Antonio).
*** Miami sends a 2020 Top 10 lottery protected first). Again, I really like the shooting potential of both Robinson and Kendrick Nunn. Nunn would help our backcourt depth behind rubio. And Robinson would give us another weapon on the perimeter. But could also slide to the 2 and backup Booker offensively. Leonard is a 7 fter. That is hitting close to 40% of his threes, And is still an expiring this year.


Phoenix/ San Antonio.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=rtpa7f5 . Of course we add a future lottery protected first. (**If necessary). But Aldridge expires in 2021. Just in time for free agency. In the meantime, He gives us a boost with his post presence, and helps our rebounding without affecting us longterm financially.

***I also like Aaron Gordon for us ( In a Marion type of role), Marion often gave us a boost and energized our team wiyh his play, And I believe that Gordon can do the same)! He's also an expiring in 2021. Thusly not really affecting our longterm cap space or 21' free agency. So If he blows up on a new team, Then we have a steal. But if he doesn't, The risk is relatively small, as his contract is short, and he still is youngbwith good upside.

Phoenix/Orlando.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y64c4dvj .

*** Overall, it's been mentioned that Orlando could really use cap space as well as more offense. So if we're sending out Saric too, I'd personally try to not include a first. Butbif we'd absolutely have to, Then I'd at least put it farther out, maybe say a 2023 Top 6 protected, becoming two future 2nds in 2024? Something along those lines. But now would be the time to grab him, whilst he's at his greatest possible discounted value.

Overall, I'd endorse using Johnson's expiring to trade for either Gordon or Aldridge as they're both short term contracts that would still boost our teams' performance in the short term. The waybI look at it, we're basically replacing Tyler Johnson's minimal production at 19 million per for another player with much better production and value at the same price ( Gordon) or only slightly more ( Aldridge). The risk is really minimal too, as there really isn't much in the way of viable options for 2020 free agency anyways....

[bwoolf2]

For me, the most disappointing aspect of this season has been watching all these other young players leapfrog Booker. If Booker's our best player, our potential as a team is capped at second tier. So we are in fact depending on Ayton to be that guy. Of course, even then, the cast of young players we've built around him, despite all our suffering, just isn't that great.

Not just Doncic, but Ingram, and then you have Morant looking like he'll be a better player, and Herro looking like he too might even be an upgrade in a couple years.

I'm not advocating that we trade Book. I'm just saying that it looks like our extremely painful rebuild did net us any goats, defecating or otherwise. We blew it.

Well, Ayton should be expected to be better, being a #1 pick in a great class, while Booker was a late lotto pick who played sparingly in college.

Obviously Booker has vastly exceeded expectations but I am not sure why you think people are leap frogging him. This is by far his best year to date, offensively with efficiency and definitely defensively overall.

Him taking over games and dominating the ball never led to many wins. It seems so many are pining for that type of play from him after the last few years, but it wasn't pretty other than every once in a while.

Now sure, sometimes he looks a little disinterested and I still wish he'd be a little more friendly with refs as I think it would benefit him greatly getting calls. This is the first time he is being talked about as a potential all star outside of this forum, and it is obviously in large part due to injuries to Curry and Klay, but nonetheless, even if they were healthy I think Booker would be getting more talk for that last spot over others (unless they had filled all the guard spots).

This 1000%

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

For me, the most disappointing aspect of this season has been watching all these other young players leapfrog Booker. If Booker's our best player, our potential as a team is capped at second tier. So we are in fact depending on Ayton to be that guy. Of course, even then, the cast of young players we've built around him, despite all our suffering, just isn't that great.

Not just Doncic, but Ingram, and then you have Morant looking like he'll be a better player, and Herro looking like he too might even be an upgrade in a couple years.

I'm not advocating that we trade Book. I'm just saying that it looks like our extremely painful rebuild did net us any goats, defecating or otherwise. We blew it.

Well, Ayton should be expected to be better, being a #1 pick in a great class, while Booker was a late lotto pick who played sparingly in college.

Obviously Booker has vastly exceeded expectations but I am not sure why you think people are leap frogging him. This is by far his best year to date, offensively with efficiency and definitely defensively overall.

Him taking over games and dominating the ball never led to many wins. It seems so many are pining for that type of play from him after the last few years, but it wasn't pretty other than every once in a while.

Now sure, sometimes he looks a little disinterested and I still wish he'd be a little more friendly with refs as I think it would benefit him greatly getting calls. This is the first time he is being talked about as a potential all star outside of this forum, and it is obviously in large part due to injuries to Curry and Klay, but nonetheless, even if they were healthy I think Booker would be getting more talk for that last spot over others (unless they had filled all the guard spots).

I'm not saying Booker hasn't taken a step forward. Love the progress he's made. But Doncic and Ingram in particular have taken huge leaps. Booker might get to 2nd Team All-NBA once at some point, but it's really hard to see him ever being a better player than the top guards of today.

It's not his lack of progress that's disappointed me as much as watching these other young guys look even better. So if Ayton's not the #1 guy, I don't see how we'll have the weapons to compete with the teams built around these top tier players, since we're done rebuilding and all. Suddenly it becomes a question of whether we can trade or sign a superstar, because we'll need one.

[bwgood77]

For me, the most disappointing aspect of this season has been watching all these other young players leapfrog Booker. If Booker's our best player, our potential as a team is capped at second tier. So we are in fact depending on Ayton to be that guy. Of course, even then, the cast of young players we've built around him, despite all our suffering, just isn't that great.

Not just Doncic, but Ingram, and then you have Morant looking like he'll be a better player, and Herro looking like he too might even be an upgrade in a couple years.

I'm not advocating that we trade Book. I'm just saying that it looks like our extremely painful rebuild did net us any goats, defecating or otherwise. We blew it.

Well, Ayton should be expected to be better, being a #1 pick in a great class, while Booker was a late lotto pick who played sparingly in college.

Obviously Booker has vastly exceeded expectations but I am not sure why you think people are leap frogging him. This is by far his best year to date, offensively with efficiency and definitely defensively overall.

Him taking over games and dominating the ball never led to many wins. It seems so many are pining for that type of play from him after the last few years, but it wasn't pretty other than every once in a while.

Now sure, sometimes he looks a little disinterested and I still wish he'd be a little more friendly with refs as I think it would benefit him greatly getting calls. This is the first time he is being talked about as a potential all star outside of this forum, and it is obviously in large part due to injuries to Curry and Klay, but nonetheless, even if they were healthy I think Booker would be getting more talk for that last spot over others (unless they had filled all the guard spots).

I'm not saying Booker hasn't taken a step forward. Love the progress he's made. But Doncic and Ingram in particular have taken huge leaps. Booker might get to 2nd Team All-NBA once at some point, but it's really hard to see him ever being a better player than the top guards of today.

It's not his lack of progress that's disappointed me as much as watching these other young guys look even better. So if Ayton's not the #1 guy, I don't see how we'll have the weapons to compete with the teams built around these top tier players, since we're done rebuilding and all. Suddenly it becomes a question of whether we can trade or sign a superstar, because we'll need one.

Yeah, but Doncic was the MVP at 19 of the second toughest league in the world. He was expected to dominate. It's just people also expected Ayton to, yet we don't know what kind of leap he will take.

Booker took a leap but he is now in his 5th year so I am not sure how much more leap he will take. Luckily he is still young and never got to play with any talent early or have good coaching so with some more adjustments he can probably still make improvements. Expectations were very high for Ingram too as he was the clear cut #2 pick a few drafts ago but kind of played on a dysfuntional team as well.

I don't know that Ingram is playing that much better than Booker though...they are pretty even. Ingram is obviously better on defense but Booker maybe slightly better on offense..more efficient, though Ingram is shooting better from 3 and gets to the line a little more.

Booker made quite a leap on offense last year at 22 and now Ingram, at 22, is doing the same. I think Doncic's play was more expected. Maybe not MVP caliber THIS quickly, but that his style of play was obviously the exact type of play that the dominates the NBA today, and with more space and better shooters around him it would only help spread the floor for his drives (plus there is no 3 second rule in europe so that made things a lot tougher driving).

[Wilber85]

For me, the most disappointing aspect of this season has been watching all these other young players leapfrog Booker. If Booker's our best player, our potential as a team is capped at second tier. So we are in fact depending on Ayton to be that guy. Of course, even then, the cast of young players we've built around him, despite all our suffering, just isn't that great.

Not just Doncic, but Ingram, and then you have Morant looking like he'll be a better player, and Herro looking like he too might even be an upgrade in a couple years.

I'm not advocating that we trade Book. I'm just saying that it looks like our extremely painful rebuild did net us any goats, defecating or otherwise. We blew it.

Did you just say Herro lol Get out of here with that crap. Herro will never avg 20 ppg

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

For me, the most disappointing aspect of this season has been watching all these other young players leapfrog Booker. If Booker's our best player, our potential as a team is capped at second tier. So we are in fact depending on Ayton to be that guy. Of course, even then, the cast of young players we've built around him, despite all our suffering, just isn't that great.

Not just Doncic, but Ingram, and then you have Morant looking like he'll be a better player, and Herro looking like he too might even be an upgrade in a couple years.

I'm not advocating that we trade Book. I'm just saying that it looks like our extremely painful rebuild did net us any goats, defecating or otherwise. We blew it.

Did you just say Herro lol Get out of here with that crap. Herro will never avg 20 ppg

He's already averaging 14 PPG so...

[Jstock12]

We are better, when healthy. We may not ever be fully healthy but we will get Ayton back. Lets stop the trade for $30 million injury prone overpaid declining superstars until we see this team at full strength. Everyone always wants to constantly turn over this roster. I thought that might end after how good we saw we were when healthy early. Guess not.

You want to put your faith in Ayton? In case you didn't notice he let this team down and appears to have zero passion for the game.

Yes, Ayton let the team down, but in the grand scheme of things it won't matter. The Suns aren't a title contender yet anyway. And that's the only thing that really matters. If you're looking to put your faith into someone, a talented 21 year old with an extremely high ceiling (and with a lot to prove) is probably better than a disgruntled, semi washed up star in his 30s.

[handsome salary]

Lots of ups and downs this season so far.
Here's a down (with an up).

[Funky Tut]

Y’all think Dallas would trade us Luka for Booker?

[Qwigglez]

Here's a trade idea that I think could benefit us.

Suns get-
Julius Randle

Knicks get-
Tyler Johnson
2 2nd round picks

Not sure how to give more value to the Knicks since they just signed Randle to a small two year deal, though I doubt he's in their future plans. Randle can't be traded til the 14th, and we get Ayton back a few days after that. Randle isn't an ideal fit next to Ayton, but he was pretty effective next to AD last year with the Pelicans so I wouldn't be too worried. He's only 25 years old still. Solid rebounder, and I feel can probably be effective in a bench role too.

[Jstock12]

Y’all think Dallas would trade us Luka for Booker?

[ATTL]

Reasonable person: suns will be better at full health

King of the retards: ayton makes the suns worse

https://www.theringer.com/platform/amp/nba/2019/12/5/20995454/suns-kings-deandre-ayton-marvin-bagley

[Saberestar]

Y’all think Dallas would trade us Luka for Booker?

#notsureifserious