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Post#61 » by slick_watts » Fri Dec 6, 2019 1:56 pm

spearsy23 wrote:The russ/Iverson parallels just keep coming.

I don't consider that an insult, even if a lot of the analytics community does. But it's sad how rapid the decline was.


it'll get worse than that since he's under contract three more seasons after this. he's shooting 34% eFG on jump shots. that doesn't even seem possible.
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Post#62 » by spearsy23 » Fri Dec 6, 2019 3:50 pm

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spearsy23 wrote:The russ/Iverson parallels just keep coming.

I don't consider that an insult, even if a lot of the analytics community does. But it's sad how rapid the decline was.


it'll get worse than that since he's under contract three more seasons after this. he's shooting 34% eFG on jump shots. that doesn't even seem possible.

At least in terms of scoring I think there's a lower bound. He can't really get significantly worse, not without forcing morey to address the issue.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Post#63 » by Andre Roberstan » Fri Dec 6, 2019 3:58 pm

Yeah, I expected some age-related dropoff, but this has been insane.
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Post#64 » by wco81 » Fri Dec 6, 2019 6:09 pm

From the clips he seems still pretty bouncer and he’s speeding into the lane to kick the ball out.

So still has athleticism. Decline in jump shooting can’t be attributed to decline in ability can it? Unless he’s got pain from his last surgeries or something.

Young players spend all summer working on their jump shots. Maybe Westbrook can’t be bothered any more.

Obviously there are older players who ma8ntain or improve their shooting efficiency.
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Post#65 » by Andre Roberstan » Fri Dec 6, 2019 6:24 pm

wco81 wrote:From the clips he seems still pretty bouncer and he’s speeding into the lane to kick the ball out.

So still has athleticism. Decline in jump shooting can’t be attributed to decline in ability can it? Unless he’s got pain from his last surgeries or something.

Young players spend all summer working on their jump shots. Maybe Westbrook can’t be bothered any more.

Obviously there are older players who ma8ntain or improve their shooting efficiency.


Not sure. I can't remember a dropoff in shooting like this where a star guy goes from passable to totally useless in two seasons. He's shooting a much higher percentage at the rim last couple years and that's stayed consistent. But he dunks a lot less too.
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Post#66 » by slick_watts » Fri Dec 6, 2019 9:08 pm

westbrook's jump shooting form has always been 'springy' for lack of a better word. less lift or power or distribution of power from his legs probably has a disproportionate effect on his form since he has to use more arm, less arm, time the release differently, etc. it would behoove him imo to simplify his mechanics like old jason kidd did, or how rajon rondo is doing it. but i doubt he has much interest in doing that since he could have done it the last three seasons as this has been happening. players like kidd recruit outside help like bob thate who helped him and now blake griffin. it just seems like westbrook is change-adverse.
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Post#67 » by wco81 » Fri Dec 6, 2019 11:57 pm

Don’t know why he would be. He got the super max deal, won’t get another.

He gets that money regardless of how he does. Seems to still chase triple doubles, maybe to compensate fo the shooting.
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Post#68 » by spearsy23 » Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:31 am

I'm never going to understand how anyone missed on doncic. Every gm who passed on him should be fired immediately. It was clear at the time, but even more so now that racism and xenophobia were the only knocks on him.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Post#69 » by Pillendreher » Tue Dec 24, 2019 11:14 am

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"I don't know of any player that, when the shot goes up, he doesn't want it to go in," Donovan said
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Post#70 » by Galloisdaman » Tue Dec 24, 2019 2:58 pm

spearsy23 wrote:I'm never going to understand how anyone missed on doncic. Every gm who passed on him should be fired immediately. It was clear at the time, but even more so now that racism and xenophobia were the only knocks on him.


Only 2 guys were drafted ahead of Donic. I think being drafted #3 is pretty high for guys from the euro leagues. He looked really good predraft but I had no idea he would be this good this soon.
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Post#71 » by spearsy23 » Wed Dec 25, 2019 4:28 pm

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spearsy23 wrote:I'm never going to understand how anyone missed on doncic. Every gm who passed on him should be fired immediately. It was clear at the time, but even more so now that racism and xenophobia were the only knocks on him.


Only 2 guys were drafted ahead of Donic. I think being drafted #3 is pretty high for guys from the euro leagues. He looked really good predraft but I had no idea he would be this good this soon.

Plus the hawks. Nobody knew he'd be THIS good, but he was far and away the best prospect in the draft. You passed that guy up for trae/bagley/ayton? Unemployment.
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Post#72 » by wco81 » Wed Dec 25, 2019 5:25 pm

I'm not sure he was that much of a slam dunk.

There were questions about his athleticism, fitness and outside shooting.

He exceeded a lot of expectations.
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Post#73 » by Galloisdaman » Wed Dec 25, 2019 7:03 pm

spearsy23 wrote:
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spearsy23 wrote:I'm never going to understand how anyone missed on doncic. Every gm who passed on him should be fired immediately. It was clear at the time, but even more so now that racism and xenophobia were the only knocks on him.


Only 2 guys were drafted ahead of Donic. I think being drafted #3 is pretty high for guys from the euro leagues. He looked really good predraft but I had no idea he would be this good this soon.

Plus the hawks. Nobody knew he'd be THIS good, but he was far and away the best prospect in the draft. You passed that guy up for trae/bagley/ayton? Unemployment.


A couple of quick points. Trae is also averaging around 29 ppg as a 2nd year player so he is not too bad. Also it was Trae and and additional 2019 1st round pick (became #10) not just Trae alone.
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Post#74 » by spearsy23 » Wed Dec 25, 2019 8:26 pm

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Only 2 guys were drafted ahead of Donic. I think being drafted #3 is pretty high for guys from the euro leagues. He looked really good predraft but I had no idea he would be this good this soon.

Plus the hawks. Nobody knew he'd be THIS good, but he was far and away the best prospect in the draft. You passed that guy up for trae/bagley/ayton? Unemployment.


A couple of quick points. Trae is also averaging around 29 ppg as a 2nd year player so he is not too bad. Also it was Trae and and additional 2019 1st round pick (became #10) not just Trae alone.

Trae is really good, like really really good. But he's not luka and there was nothing to suggest he'd be close to luka pre draft.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Post#75 » by spearsy23 » Wed Dec 25, 2019 8:30 pm

wco81 wrote:I'm not sure he was that much of a slam dunk.

There were questions about his athleticism, fitness and outside shooting.

He exceeded a lot of expectations.

That's the point. The questions were because of where he was from and what color he is. The guy had just won mvp in the 2nd best league in the world at 19. Anybody who questioned him was an idiot who didn't understand that ability to play ball is more important than how high you jump, despite having just watched harden, durant, and curry dominate the league for the last 5 years because they were more skilled.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Post#76 » by Galloisdaman » Wed Dec 25, 2019 8:30 pm

spearsy23 wrote:
Galloisdaman wrote:
spearsy23 wrote:Plus the hawks. Nobody knew he'd be THIS good, but he was far and away the best prospect in the draft. You passed that guy up for trae/bagley/ayton? Unemployment.


A couple of quick points. Trae is also averaging around 29 ppg as a 2nd year player so he is not too bad. Also it was Trae and and additional 2019 1st round pick (became #10) not just Trae alone.

Trae is really good, like really really good. But he's not luka and there was nothing to suggest he'd be close to luka pre draft.


I watch very little college and even less Euro ball so I'm far from a draft expert. I do remember people comparing Trae to Steph Curry predraft though so some folks hopes for Trae were sky high. If I'm Atlanta I'm not too mad. The draft is a crap shoot and they came out with a stud in Trae plus #10 in 2019. Now if I'm a Suns fan or a Kings fan I would be upset.
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Post#77 » by spearsy23 » Wed Dec 25, 2019 8:33 pm

Galloisdaman wrote:
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A couple of quick points. Trae is also averaging around 29 ppg as a 2nd year player so he is not too bad. Also it was Trae and and additional 2019 1st round pick (became #10) not just Trae alone.

Trae is really good, like really really good. But he's not luka and there was nothing to suggest he'd be close to luka pre draft.


I watch very little college and even less Euro ball so I'm far from a draft expert. I do remember people comparing Trae to Steph Curry predraft though so some folks hopes for Trae were sky high. If I'm Atlanta I'm not too mad. The draft is a crap shoot and they came out with a stud in Trae plus #10 in 2019. Now if I'm a Suns fan or a Kings fan I would be upset.

Funny thing is that pretty much every draft expert disagreed with the curry comparisons because trae was a good not great shooter and did a lot more work with the ball in his hands. I agree Atlanta is the most defensible, but at the end of the day it was still a dumb decision.
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Post#78 » by Galloisdaman » Wed Dec 25, 2019 9:04 pm

The amount of shots and points guys are scoring this season blows me away. A guy like Sikiam is averaging over 25ppg and he is not even in the top 10 of the league. Harden is almost at 39ppg. 30ppg used to huge.
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Post#79 » by ThunderBolt » Thu Dec 26, 2019 12:39 am

Russ, just when I think you are about to have a turning point after a few good games, you go out and play the warrriors...
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Post#80 » by wco81 » Thu Dec 26, 2019 12:49 am

ThunderBolt wrote:Russ, just when I think you are about to have a turning point after a few games, you go out and play the warrriors...
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They can just dismiss it as one of those games but as soon as it was over, Harden and Westbrook left the court while the other Rockets players shook hands.

They both have histories with the Warriors don't they?

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