OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond

[Stratmaster]

Mitch, his head coach, and the fans were all too tight at the beginning of the season. Because of the expectations we all hung on every pass. Every interception was viewed as a calamity.

Fast forward. The Bears playoff chances are slim to none. Nothing to lose. They turn Trubisky loose vertically (midrange) instead if trying to avoid any and all mistakes. He throws a couple interceptions... and suddenly 3 TDs a game.

Good QBs, dare I say even great QBs, tend to throw more interceptions than average ones. But their TD to INT rate is much better.

Nagy blew it this season. I get why. Early in he thought he had a generational defense. He doesn't. He thought Cohen would take all those horizontal passes and turn them into big plays, but Cohen wasn't going to surprise anyone this season.

Based on that he tried to turn Mitch into a game manager. I hope he doesn't make that mistake again.

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[MAQ]

i dont know but it felt like trubisky's footwork is getting so much better. he is actually stepping into his throws now.

maybe just maybe he is getting used to the pace.

maybe...

gotta give him credit for bouncing back from adversity.

I'm no football expert by anymeans, but over the last 4 or 5 games, that has been the most consistent improvement I've seen in his game. He's stepping into throws. Prior to his injury and maybe the game after it, he would routinely fall back as he threw the ball. Looked like he was afraid to get hit.

That's changed. He also appears to be making multiple reads out there. And he's doing so with success. And he's doing it quick.

The mitch playing now is a night and day difference from the mitch earlier in the season.

[dougthonus]

Mitch, his head coach, and the fans were all too tight at the beginning of the season. Because of the expectations we all hung on every pass. Every interception was viewed as a calamity.

Fast forward. The Bears playoff chances are slim to none. Nothing to lose. They turn Trubisky loose vertically (midrange) instead if trying to avoid any and all mistakes. He throws a couple interceptions... and suddenly 3 TDs a game.

Good QBs, dare I say even great QBs, tend to throw more interceptions than average ones. But their TD to INT rate is much better.

Nagy blew it this season. I get why. Early in he thought he had a generational defense. He doesn't. He thought Cohen would take all those horizontal passes and turn them into big plays, but Cohen wasn't going to surprise anyone this season.

Based on that he tried to turn Mitch into a game manager. I hope he doesn't make that mistake again.

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That's a really generous take towards Trubisky there. He was really inaccurate on deep and mid range throws throughout the season. So inaccurate that it became a talking point by the commentators in several games.

You can argue, certainly, that continuing to give Trubisky more leash or big throws or whatever may have snapped him out of his funk earlier, but the offense was scaled back initially because he just couldn't come even close to making the throws he needed to make.

Granted, his receivers aren't helping him much outside of Robinson, tons of drops, guys not gaining lots of separation, there is lots of blame to go around, but this wasn't a guy whom had no chances to go vertical earlier and then we said "ahh screw it let's see what happens", he was just awful earlier.

[Dresden]

Finally looked like Mitch wasn’t overthinking. He should have been running all season. We’d be 10-3 if he had IMO. Him running opens everything up.

Nagy called by far his best game as Bears HC.

I agree- how many first downs did he pick up with his legs last night? Must have been at least 4. May have been the difference between a scoring drive and a punt. Not to mention the huge TD run.

[jacoby1us]

Great game by the team!
Hopefully they can overcome the impossible and somehow win the remaining three games and pass up the Vikings in the Wild Card. That would definitely give sports analyst and fans something to talk about heading into the post season.

#BEARDOWN!

[MeloRoseNoah]

Mitch, his head coach, and the fans were all too tight at the beginning of the season. Because of the expectations we all hung on every pass. Every interception was viewed as a calamity.

Fast forward. The Bears playoff chances are slim to none. Nothing to lose. They turn Trubisky loose vertically (midrange) instead if trying to avoid any and all mistakes. He throws a couple interceptions... and suddenly 3 TDs a game.

Good QBs, dare I say even great QBs, tend to throw more interceptions than average ones. But their TD to INT rate is much better.

Nagy blew it this season. I get why. Early in he thought he had a generational defense. He doesn't. He thought Cohen would take all those horizontal passes and turn them into big plays, but Cohen wasn't going to surprise anyone this season.

Based on that he tried to turn Mitch into a game manager. I hope he doesn't make that mistake again.

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I agree with some aspects of this argument. Nagy is his own worst enemy. The dude is a wimp at heart. He doesn't call games to blow teams out and embarrass them. On a lot of occasions, he calls games to NOT LOSE A GAME. That's poor reflection on his judgment and his staff's.

But, that albatross O-line is pathetic. Our tackles manned by Leno and Massie are two softies that don't block to the whistles. Let's not forget the bum Kyle Long who should never played another down in the NFL. Our starting TEs are two wimps who can't block and can't catch. There's a lot of blame to go around.

But, personnel wise, Pace needs to lock up a marquee O-line FA to stabilize the O-line position, and invest at least one of our second rounders in a tackle. He must hit on that pick. No other way around it.

Afterward, BAP afterward.

[HearshotKDS]

Mitch, his head coach, and the fans were all too tight at the beginning of the season. Because of the expectations we all hung on every pass. Every interception was viewed as a calamity.

Fast forward. The Bears playoff chances are slim to none. Nothing to lose. They turn Trubisky loose vertically (midrange) instead if trying to avoid any and all mistakes. He throws a couple interceptions... and suddenly 3 TDs a game.

Good QBs, dare I say even great QBs, tend to throw more interceptions than average ones. But their TD to INT rate is much better.

Nagy blew it this season. I get why. Early in he thought he had a generational defense. He doesn't. He thought Cohen would take all those horizontal passes and turn them into big plays, but Cohen wasn't going to surprise anyone this season.

Based on that he tried to turn Mitch into a game manager. I hope he doesn't make that mistake again.

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This is a weird take, and I don't think its accurate. Mitch was top 5 in Ints+int% (in the good way) until the start of his good run of games. The "calamity" was the terrible lack of production, the 170X y/G and the abysmal 5.6 Y/A, etc. But he was hypercautious with the ball to the point of being a detriment to the team. You're right though that Mitch/Nagy needed to get more aggressive, because the hyper-cautious approach was clearly not working.

[transplant]

Hope is the greatest of gifts, if you choose to accept it.

A truly remarkable game. I completely agreed with the consensus of analysts who said that all of the measurables favored Dallas, but as I told all my fellow Bears fans, weird **** happens in the NFL so we might as well watch and see.

Trubisky was confident and outstanding. Nagy called a very good game, taking advantage of Dallas's tendencies to over-commit their DEs. With a lot of help from Trubisky, they ran for over 150 yards. They got over 90 yards from their no-name TEs.

On defense, they were missing 4 key starters...Hicks, Trevathan, Smith and Amukamara. It was "next man up" and Nichols, Kwiatkowski and Pierre-Louis came up big. Kudos to Pace...the team showed better quality depth than I knew they had.

While I understand those who lament "where was this all year?," I'm happy I'm seeing the team play very good football despite being shorthanded. I enjoyed the **** out of last night's game.

[Chi town]

Mitch, his head coach, and the fans were all too tight at the beginning of the season. Because of the expectations we all hung on every pass. Every interception was viewed as a calamity.

Fast forward. The Bears playoff chances are slim to none. Nothing to lose. They turn Trubisky loose vertically (midrange) instead if trying to avoid any and all mistakes. He throws a couple interceptions... and suddenly 3 TDs a game.

Good QBs, dare I say even great QBs, tend to throw more interceptions than average ones. But their TD to INT rate is much better.

Nagy blew it this season. I get why. Early in he thought he had a generational defense. He doesn't. He thought Cohen would take all those horizontal passes and turn them into big plays, but Cohen wasn't going to surprise anyone this season.

Based on that he tried to turn Mitch into a game manager. I hope he doesn't make that mistake again.

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I agree with some aspects of this argument. Nagy is his own worst enemy. The dude is a wimp at heart. He doesn't call games to blow teams out and embarrass them. On a lot of occasions, he calls games to NOT LOSE A GAME. That's poor reflection on his judgment and his staff's.

But, that albatross O-line is pathetic. Our tackles manned by Leno and Massie are two softies that don't block to the whistles. Let's not forget the bum Kyle Long who should never played another down in the NFL. Our starting TEs are two wimps who can't block and can't catch. There's a lot of blame to go around.

But, personnel wise, Pace needs to lock up a marquee O-line FA to stabilize the O-line position, and invest at least one of our second rounders in a tackle. He must hit on that pick. No other way around it.

Afterward, BAP afterward.

Nagy has coaches not to lose every time we have had the lead and has rarely called plays to win. The o line and Mitch make it easy for him to do that.

I still thinks this is 70 on Mitch and 30 on Nagy. Mitch hasn’t inspired confidence from o line or WRs. His ball llacement hasn’t helped the drops either.

Pace has work to do but we have key pieces to be contenders if Mitch keeps it up.

[Chi town]

Hope is the greatest of gifts, if you choose to accept it.

A truly remarkable game. I completely agreed with the consensus of analysts who said that all of the measurables favored Dallas, but as I told all my fellow Bears fans, weird **** happens in the NFL so we might as well watch and see.

Trubisky was confident and outstanding. Nagy called a very good game, taking advantage of Dallas's tendencies to over-commit their DEs. With a lot of help from Trubisky, they ran for over 150 yards. They got over 90 yards from their no-name TEs.

On defense, they were missing 4 key starters...Hicks, Trevathan, Smith and Amukamara. It was "next man up" and Nichols, Kwiatkowski and Pierre-Louis came up big. Kudos to Pace...the team showed better quality depth than I knew they had.

While I understand those who lament "where was this all year?," I'm happy I'm seeing the team play very good football despite being shorthanded. I enjoyed the **** out of last night's game.

As did I.

[Chi town]

My Money Mitch prediction...

He plays solid in one game (Packers) but not enough to win due to our D giving up too many points and no timing game.

He plays really good in final 2 games both wins. Bears miss playoffs and bring in Foles to compete for starting spot. Pace doesn’t draft a a QB because Nagy believes either one can win it all next year with picks and fa’s restocking the talent.

[bullsnewdynasty]

It’s a nice win but it’s probably too little too late. I think the season was over after the Chargers loss. Asking the Bears to run the table against great teams and get help is a lot.

Mitch probably does enough to stay the starter next year but there better be a ready to go backup if Mitch has another regression phase. No more Chase Daniel, need to bring in a Case Keenum or similar vet that will challenge Trubisky and light a fire under him to produce like this consistently.

[transplant]

It’s a nice win but it’s probably too little too late. I think the season was over after the Chargers loss. Asking the Bears to run the table against great teams and get help is a lot.

Mitch probably does enough to stay the starter next year but there better be a ready to go backup if Mitch has another regression phase. No more Chase Daniel, need to bring in a Case Keenum or similar vet that will challenge Trubisky and light a fire under him to produce like this consistently.

It's almost certainly too little too late. I also gave up on the playoffs after the Chargers game, but while I live and die with the Bears, I still see sports as entertainment and I continue to be entertained.

IMO, it's too early to say what they're going to do at QB next season. Trubisky has been pretty good for the past 4 weeks. If Mitch plays well the rest of the season, I would be surprised if Trubisky isn't the clear #1 QB next season, and if this is the case, you won't be able to lure the QBs who want a true chance to compete for the starting postion.

[dice]

My Money Mitch prediction...

He plays solid in one game (Packers) but not enough to win due to our D giving up too many points and no timing game.

He plays really good in final 2 games both wins. Bears miss playoffs and bring in Foles to compete for starting spot. Pace doesn’t draft a a QB because Nagy believes either one can win it all next year with picks and fa’s restocking the talent.

foles is owed 22 mil next season. plus an additional 5 mil guaranteed of his 27 mil salary for the following season. there is zero chance a guy like that comes in if he's not considered the clear-cut starter. which he wouldn't be because he's only played more than half the season 3 times in his 8 year career. meaning that nick foles will not be here next season

[MeloRoseNoah]

We are not paying some bum like Nick Foles 25-28 mil a year. That 25-28 mil a year can get you Pro Bowlers at either tackle/guard and a stud TE. In fact, I don’t even think we should be investing in a backup QB position except maybe like a draft pick on that position.

We’re going to enter next season with Trubisky at our QB and take care of the O line and our TE positions in FA. I’m also in favor of using our draft capitals to retool our defense. Hicks will need to be replaced next year. We will also need to have better CB and a DE opposite of Mack. Prince and Floyd will be gone. Both of them are not impressive.

[DorO]

It was great to see Mitch getting good amount of rushing yards - some unpredictability is never a bad thing. Easy to say afterwards but he should have been using his feet all season which could have been benefit for everything else.

I also like Holtz’s impact game.

[Stratmaster]

Mitch, his head coach, and the fans were all too tight at the beginning of the season. Because of the expectations we all hung on every pass. Every interception was viewed as a calamity.

Fast forward. The Bears playoff chances are slim to none. Nothing to lose. They turn Trubisky loose vertically (midrange) instead if trying to avoid any and all mistakes. He throws a couple interceptions... and suddenly 3 TDs a game.

Good QBs, dare I say even great QBs, tend to throw more interceptions than average ones. But their TD to INT rate is much better.

Nagy blew it this season. I get why. Early in he thought he had a generational defense. He doesn't. He thought Cohen would take all those horizontal passes and turn them into big plays, but Cohen wasn't going to surprise anyone this season.

Based on that he tried to turn Mitch into a game manager. I hope he doesn't make that mistake again.

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That's a really generous take towards Trubisky there. He was really inaccurate on deep and mid range throws throughout the season. So inaccurate that it became a talking point by the commentators in several games.

You can argue, certainly, that continuing to give Trubisky more leash or big throws or whatever may have snapped him out of his funk earlier, but the offense was scaled back initially because he just couldn't come even close to making the throws he needed to make.

Granted, his receivers aren't helping him much outside of Robinson, tons of drops, guys not gaining lots of separation, there is lots of blame to go around, but this wasn't a guy whom had no chances to go vertical earlier and then we said "ahh screw it let's see what happens", he was just awful earlier.

The Bulls weren't even throwing the mid-range passes early in the season. I don't mean "never" but not enough to allow for the offense to develop. But we aren't really disagreeing that much. Mitch had 2 bad games, Nagy decided his defense could win games and shut down the offense.

I don't have to argue that taking him off the leash would have snapped him out of his funk. We've been watching it happen in the last few weeks. You know I was preaching for this before it happened, because you responded to my similar post a few weeks back and I clarified my definition of ""vertical" to be mid-range.. It's not like I suddenly came to this conclusion after the fact. I called it before it happened.

[Stratmaster]

Mitch, his head coach, and the fans were all too tight at the beginning of the season. Because of the expectations we all hung on every pass. Every interception was viewed as a calamity.

Fast forward. The Bears playoff chances are slim to none. Nothing to lose. They turn Trubisky loose vertically (midrange) instead if trying to avoid any and all mistakes. He throws a couple interceptions... and suddenly 3 TDs a game.

Good QBs, dare I say even great QBs, tend to throw more interceptions than average ones. But their TD to INT rate is much better.

Nagy blew it this season. I get why. Early in he thought he had a generational defense. He doesn't. He thought Cohen would take all those horizontal passes and turn them into big plays, but Cohen wasn't going to surprise anyone this season.

Based on that he tried to turn Mitch into a game manager. I hope he doesn't make that mistake again.

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I agree with some aspects of this argument. Nagy is his own worst enemy. The dude is a wimp at heart. He doesn't call games to blow teams out and embarrass them. On a lot of occasions, he calls games to NOT LOSE A GAME. That's poor reflection on his judgment and his staff's.

But, that albatross O-line is pathetic. Our tackles manned by Leno and Massie are two softies that don't block to the whistles. Let's not forget the bum Kyle Long who should never played another down in the NFL. Our starting TEs are two wimps who can't block and can't catch. There's a lot of blame to go around.

But, personnel wise, Pace needs to lock up a marquee O-line FA to stabilize the O-line position, and invest at least one of our second rounders in a tackle. He must hit on that pick. No other way around it.

Afterward, BAP afterward.

Agreed on the O-line.

[Stratmaster]

Mitch, his head coach, and the fans were all too tight at the beginning of the season. Because of the expectations we all hung on every pass. Every interception was viewed as a calamity.

Fast forward. The Bears playoff chances are slim to none. Nothing to lose. They turn Trubisky loose vertically (midrange) instead if trying to avoid any and all mistakes. He throws a couple interceptions... and suddenly 3 TDs a game.

Good QBs, dare I say even great QBs, tend to throw more interceptions than average ones. But their TD to INT rate is much better.

Nagy blew it this season. I get why. Early in he thought he had a generational defense. He doesn't. He thought Cohen would take all those horizontal passes and turn them into big plays, but Cohen wasn't going to surprise anyone this season.

Based on that he tried to turn Mitch into a game manager. I hope he doesn't make that mistake again.

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This is a weird take, and I don't think its accurate. Mitch was top 5 in Ints+int% (in the good way) until the start of his good run of games. The "calamity" was the terrible lack of production, the 170X y/G and the abysmal 5.6 Y/A, etc. But he was hypercautious with the ball to the point of being a detriment to the team. You're right though that Mitch/Nagy needed to get more aggressive, because the hyper-cautious approach was clearly not working.

I said "Viewed as a calamity" so they got cautious. You basically said I had a weird take, then made the exact same point I was making, which is a weird take.

[Bluewaterheaven]

My Money Mitch prediction...

He plays solid in one game (Packers) but not enough to win due to our D giving up too many points and no timing game.

He plays really good in final 2 games both wins. Bears miss playoffs and bring in Foles to compete for starting spot. Pace doesn’t draft a a QB because Nagy believes either one can win it all next year with picks and fa’s restocking the talent.

If we go 9-7 and Mitch really steps it up, why would we bring in Foles at that point? You are saying the QB who ended up carrying the team to the door step of the playoffs after a craptacular start would need to be benched for the Guy who got benched in favor of Mediocre Minshew?