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2019 season speculation including trade ideas

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Re: 2019 season speculation including trade ideas 

Post#1941 » by BobbieL » Fri Dec 6, 2019 9:22 pm

Kerrsed wrote:One name that i have really yet to see anyone throw out there (So i will) is Green. GS has been DECIMATED by injuries this season. Draymond isnt that go-to-scorer PF that they need, he is more of a glue guy that contributes more everywhere else. That being said, he is having an extremely down season this year and there is rumblings that GS could look to move him despite re-inking him to a 4 year deal this offseason (3yr+1PO). He is also 29 years old. Dont know what exactly they would be looking for, but having his defensive presence leading the team, PHENOMENAL passing for a big, and 3 point shooting would be a major coup for us. He's making about a Mill less than TJ this season, so maybe some combo of that expiring and picks?

Could be an interesting move......if he can return to form playing next to actual NBA players and a system designed for passing and making the extra pass. One issue though is that he cant be traded until 4 days before the trade deadline, so that could be good or bad depending how you look at it. It could give us time to see what we really have with this current team at full strength.

Just a thought.


His contract isn’t that bad but he has played a lot of minutes against bigger players. No doubt he can defend, good passer, and on a team as a role player- much better for him.


Warriors will need to move salary to do anything. If they keep a core of Curry Klay Dray and DLo - that’s 130m right there. They are going to get a top 3 pick; and guys are getting minutes this year but you are right - they may need to move salary

It’s why I bring up, if the Twolves want him - Russell for Teague Culver and a pick. (Suns then move Tyler for Teague - both expiring)
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Re: 2019 season speculation including trade ideas 

Post#1942 » by bwgood77 » Fri Dec 6, 2019 9:39 pm

Kerrsed wrote:One name that i have really yet to see anyone throw out there (So i will) is Green. GS has been DECIMATED by injuries this season. Draymond isnt that go-to-scorer PF that they need, he is more of a glue guy that contributes more everywhere else. That being said, he is having an extremely down season this year and there is rumblings that GS could look to move him despite re-inking him to a 4 year deal this offseason (3yr+1PO). He is also 29 years old. Dont know what exactly they would be looking for, but having his defensive presence leading the team, PHENOMENAL passing for a big, and 3 point shooting would be a major coup for us. He's making about a Mill less than TJ this season, so maybe some combo of that expiring and picks?

Could be an interesting move......if he can return to form playing next to actual NBA players and a system designed for passing and making the extra pass. One issue though is that he cant be traded until 4 days before the trade deadline, so that could be good or bad depending how you look at it. It could give us time to see what we really have with this current team at full strength.

Just a thought.


Green could be great, but I think with Curry and Klay back, they need Green..those 3 together can do big things, they've shown, with or without KD. Plus they have Russell who is another guard, so I don't see them trading him for a guard or expiring. They are so far over the cap they wouldn't get under with a trade like that (I don't think), but need him. They will also likely be adding a top 5 or 6 pick this summer. They will be back to a contender next year. Pretty sure they hang onto him.

The one thing that would be bad about Green is that he can't shoot 3s really. He would be great moving the ball and would make our defense worlds better, but our spacing would suffer...he would work well at C in small ball or even with Baynes if he shot 3s (or Ayton if he did) so we wouldn't have two bigs near the paint.
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Re: 2019 season speculation including trade ideas 

Post#1943 » by WeekapaugGroove » Fri Dec 6, 2019 9:43 pm

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Kerrsed wrote:One name that i have really yet to see anyone throw out there (So i will) is Green. GS has been DECIMATED by injuries this season. Draymond isnt that go-to-scorer PF that they need, he is more of a glue guy that contributes more everywhere else. That being said, he is having an extremely down season this year and there is rumblings that GS could look to move him despite re-inking him to a 4 year deal this offseason (3yr+1PO). He is also 29 years old. Dont know what exactly they would be looking for, but having his defensive presence leading the team, PHENOMENAL passing for a big, and 3 point shooting would be a major coup for us. He's making about a Mill less than TJ this season, so maybe some combo of that expiring and picks?

Could be an interesting move......if he can return to form playing next to actual NBA players and a system designed for passing and making the extra pass. One issue though is that he cant be traded until 4 days before the trade deadline, so that could be good or bad depending how you look at it. It could give us time to see what we really have with this current team at full strength.

Just a thought.


Green could be great, but I think with Curry and Klay back, they need Green..those 3 together can do big things, they've shown, with or without KD. Plus they have Russell who is another guard, so I don't see them trading him for a guard or expiring. They are so far over the cap they wouldn't get under with a trade like that (I don't think), but need him. They will also likely be adding a top 5 or 6 pick this summer. They will be back to a contender next year. Pretty sure they hang onto him.

The one thing that would be bad about Green is that he can't shoot 3s really. He would be great moving the ball and would make our defense worlds better, but our spacing would suffer...he would work well at C in small ball or even with Baynes if he shot 3s (or Ayton if he did) so we wouldn't have two bigs near the paint.
Yeah GS isn't trying to cut salary. I don't think that ownership group gives a **** about paying a lux tax bill. I also think they really value having Steph, Klay, and Draymond run this dynasty out together.

DLo could get dealt but it would be for actual players/assets not salary relief. Plus he kind of sucks so there's that :)

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Re: 2019 season speculation including trade ideas 

Post#1944 » by Kerrsed » Fri Dec 6, 2019 10:25 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:DLo could get dealt but it would be for actual players/assets not salary relief. Plus he kind of sucks so there's that :)


Sorry, i still dont buy into the "D-Lo Sucks" narrative.

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He is putting up very very very similar stats as Booker.....While being on a new team who's system was designed for Curry/Durant and playing with a bunch of Semi-pro players. Seriously, the kid is playing with guys like
Robinson III/Burks/Paschall/Evans/Chriss/Spellman/Poole with the only real standouts being a hard to utilize Green and a hampered WCS. Its almost like the team Booker had to play with LAST SEASON. And that brings me to this:


If Russell sucks so much, then Booker must have SUCKED last season, because all their stats pretty much mirror themselves exactly (Booker last season compared to Russell this season), yet i dont remember people complaining that much about Booker. Hell, the only real difference between the two this season is Bookers newly found increased accuracy.

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Re: 2019 season speculation including trade ideas 

Post#1945 » by Saberestar » Fri Dec 6, 2019 10:33 pm

Kerrsed wrote:One name that i have really yet to see anyone throw out there (So i will) is Green. GS has been DECIMATED by injuries this season. Draymond isnt that go-to-scorer PF that they need, he is more of a glue guy that contributes more everywhere else. That being said, he is having an extremely down season this year and there is rumblings that GS could look to move him despite re-inking him to a 4 year deal this offseason (3yr+1PO). He is also 29 years old. Dont know what exactly they would be looking for, but having his defensive presence leading the team, PHENOMENAL passing for a big, and 3 point shooting would be a major coup for us. He's making about a Mill less than TJ this season, so maybe some combo of that expiring and picks?

Could be an interesting move......if he can return to form playing next to actual NBA players and a system designed for passing and making the extra pass. One issue though is that he cant be traded until 4 days before the trade deadline, so that could be good or bad depending how you look at it. It could give us time to see what we really have with this current team at full strength.

Just a thought.

Big no from me to Draymond Green.

Overrated, overpaid and he has past his prime.
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Post#1946 » by Saberestar » Fri Dec 6, 2019 10:36 pm

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Re: 2019 season speculation including trade ideas 

Post#1947 » by WeekapaugGroove » Fri Dec 6, 2019 10:53 pm

Kerrsed wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:DLo could get dealt but it would be for actual players/assets not salary relief. Plus he kind of sucks so there's that :)


Sorry, i still dont buy into the "D-Lo Sucks" narrative.

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He is putting up very very very similar stats as Booker.....While being on a new team who's system was designed for Curry/Durant and playing with a bunch of Semi-pro players. Seriously, the kid is playing with guys like
Robinson III/Burks/Paschall/Evans/Chriss/Spellman/Poole with the only real standouts being a hard to utilize Green and a hampered WCS. Its almost like the team Booker had to play with LAST SEASON. And that brings me to this:


If Russell sucks so much, then Booker must have SUCKED last season, because all their stats pretty much mirror themselves exactly (Booker last season compared to Russell this season), yet i dont remember people complaining that much about Booker. Hell, the only real difference between the two this season is Bookers newly found increased accuracy.

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'Sucks' was a little tonge in cheek but I honestly don't think he's great player by any means. The efficiency does matter because both guys do actually suck at defense so they need to be ulta good on O and with their usage the efficiency is a real deciding factor if your helping your team win or just taking a bunch of shots and collecting counting stats.

But I'm also probably a little biased because I just don't value high usage no D lead guards as much as some. Hell while I'm not a hater Im not as high on Devin as some here.

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Post#1948 » by Kerrsed » Fri Dec 6, 2019 11:01 pm

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Post#1949 » by Qwigglez » Fri Dec 6, 2019 11:28 pm

Doubt the Warriors will be so short-sighted to trade Green this season. Doubt they would trade D-Lo too unless they get something back of equivalent value. Would love to get Green though and would actually be willing to give up one of our two prized SF's in Cam or Bridges in order to bring him to the Suns.
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Post#1950 » by ryanball » Sat Dec 7, 2019 12:22 am

Personally I'd stay far away from Draymond Green. Easily one of the most overrated players. Look what he's doing now being no longer surrounded by historically good shooters and all-stars: nothing.

Kevin Love would be a much better fit if the idea is to bring in an older vet at PF. He's a much better shooter, more efficient, and better rebounder. Also he would just be a professional and not a cancer on whatever positive chemistry and culture is being developed here.
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Post#1951 » by BobbieL » Sat Dec 7, 2019 12:43 am

ryanball wrote:Personally I'd stay far away from Draymond Green. Easily one of the most overrated players. Look what he's doing now being no longer surrounded by historically good shooters and all-stars: nothing.

Kevin Love would be a much better fit if the idea is to bring in an older vet at PF. He's a much better shooter, more efficient, and better rebounder. Also he would just be a professional and not a cancer on whatever positive chemistry and culture is being developed here.


Who reported the Cavs may listen for Love at this point. Mentioned Nuggets, Celtics and I believe Blazers. But Cavs would have to get “blown away”
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Post#1952 » by hollywood6964 » Sat Dec 7, 2019 12:43 am

ryanball wrote:Personally I'd stay far away from Draymond Green. Easily one of the most overrated players. Look what he's doing now being no longer surrounded by historically good shooters and all-stars: nothing.

Kevin Love would be a much better fit if the idea is to bring in an older vet at PF. He's a much better shooter, more efficient, and better rebounder. Also he would just be a professional and not a cancer on whatever positive chemistry and culture is being developed here.

Yeah Green is vastly overrated. I called he'd do nothing at the start of the year, and there you have it. I wouldn't want his $ or his **** play. I wouldn't really want Love either, because he's too injury prone and does not play defense. I'd rather start Baynes at the pf. We need a back pg.
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Post#1953 » by Qwigglez » Sat Dec 7, 2019 1:06 am

Would still welcome KLove over many other players. He's still young enough to help the team out and I don't see him declining much from where he's at now. It's just the injury concern.
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Post#1954 » by Dual » Sat Dec 7, 2019 1:07 am

Its happening, maybe not the Suns, but the bid time has started.
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Post#1955 » by Qwigglez » Sat Dec 7, 2019 1:16 am

Dual wrote:Its happening, maybe not the Suns, but the bid time has started.
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2865804-kevin-love-trade-rumors-cavaliers-willing-to-listen-to-offers-ahead-of-deadline

Need to "blow them away" with an offer. I'd love to get Love. However, Saric has been playing well the last 6 games or so averaging 13, 9.5, 2 assist, 1 block. Shooting 30% from 3 though and 46% from the field. And then Bridges was told something by the coaching staff to be more aggressive on offense because the last 4 games he's averaging 12 points on 59% from the field, and 50% from 3 (only 2 attempts per game). He has been a -6.8 though. I would imagine it would take Saric and Bridges to make something happen. I think I'd rather give up future 1st instead of Bridges.
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Post#1956 » by Dual » Sat Dec 7, 2019 1:21 am

I would not trade Bridges or Cam for Love or whoever, I really like these guys.
Our team is already well constructed. We have been really unlucky with the center situation.
If we can upgrade the PF position with Ty and Saric or Kaminsky or Carter is ok to me, outside those guys I would not trade anybody.
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Post#1957 » by Dual » Sat Dec 7, 2019 1:28 am

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Post#1958 » by Saberestar » Sat Dec 7, 2019 1:30 am

Qwigglez wrote:Would still welcome KLove over many other players. He's still young enough to help the team out and I don't see him declining much from where he's at now. It's just the injury concern.

I am torn about it. Great player, of course, but the problem is that the league is getting younger because of the ridiculous fast pace.

Love is 31 years old and with all his past problems with injuries Kevin Love would be a HIGH RISK because he is under a long term contract. This season and three more.

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Post#1959 » by Saberestar » Sat Dec 7, 2019 1:33 am

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Post#1960 » by Qwigglez » Sat Dec 7, 2019 1:42 am

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I know you’re just kidding but the three teams that were said to be interested in Love are the Nuggets, Celtics, and Blazers. All seem to have their players playing tonight. Well except if the Blazers were giving up Collins who is injured. Idk if Bazemore is playing or not.

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