Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20

[DarkAzcura]

New unspoken rule - any poster who says we should trade either Hayward or Smart for Love gets 4 lifetime bans from this board.

If the Celtics want to be a serious contender, they need to upgdrade their frontcourt. How can they beat the 76ers/Bucks in a playoff series with Theis/Kanter/RWIII? Many times this season, this particular weakness concerning their lack of abilities to dominate the paint has been exposed. The most flagrant example was when they lost against the Kings. Surelly it's one of the tallest team in the League and it's not representative of the whole League. However, as I wrote it, Celtics' most serious rivals during the 3-4 next seasons will be the Bucks and the 76ers. Thus, they need to do something in order to hide this weakness.
I think Hayward is a very good player but I don't think it's a player who can carry this team to the Finals.

It's why I wouldn't mind if a swap was made. But as I said, I don't think the Cavs want Hayward anyways. I think Love would be an upgrade but his contract his awful and I doubt the Celtics want to give up draft picks and their rooks.

Smart is a better front court player than Love, tho.

[sam_I_am]

Hayward for Love and CLE 2020 1st and I’ll think about it. 3 more years of Love at 30 million needs at least a top 5 pick.

[CelticsLV]

New unspoken rule - any poster who says we should trade either Hayward or Smart for Love gets 4 lifetime bans from this board.

If the Celtics want to be a serious contender, they need to upgdrade their frontcourt. How can they beat the 76ers/Bucks in a playoff series with Theis/Kanter/RWIII? Many times this season, this particular weakness concerning their lack of abilities to dominate the paint has been exposed. The most flagrant example was when they lost against the Kings. Surelly it's one of the tallest team in the League and it's not representative of the whole League. However, as I wrote it, Celtics' most serious rivals during the 3-4 next seasons will be the Bucks and the 76ers. Thus, they need to do something in order to hide this weakness.
I think Hayward is a very good player but I don't think it's a player who can carry this team to the Finals.

It's why I wouldn't mind if a swap was made. But as I said, I don't think the Cavs want Hayward anyways. I think Love would be an upgrade but his contract his awful and I doubt the Celtics want to give up draft picks and their rooks.

How does Love help against Embiid or Giannis?
Smart defends bigs better than Love.

[jirrit]

New unspoken rule - any poster who says we should trade either Hayward or Smart for Love gets 4 lifetime bans from this board.

If the Celtics want to be a serious contender, they need to upgdrade their frontcourt. How can they beat the 76ers/Bucks in a playoff series with Theis/Kanter/RWIII? Many times this season, this particular weakness concerning their lack of abilities to dominate the paint has been exposed. The most flagrant example was when they lost against the Kings. Surelly it's one of the tallest team in the League and it's not representative of the whole League. However, as I wrote it, Celtics' most serious rivals during the 3-4 next seasons will be the Bucks and the 76ers. Thus, they need to do something in order to hide this weakness.
I think Hayward is a very good player but I don't think it's a player who can carry this team to the Finals.

It's why I wouldn't mind if a swap was made. But as I said, I don't think the Cavs want Hayward anyways. I think Love would be an upgrade but his contract his awful and I doubt the Celtics want to give up draft picks and their rooks.

Love is soft and no upgrade if you have to give up Hayward. I rather try to out hustle/score Philly/Bucks than to give up Hayward for the likes of Love.

[wangyou18]

I'd rather trade for Myles Turner: Langford, Memphis 1st, Kanter or Theis, and salary fillers

Turner actually plays good interior D, shoots well from deep, and already has chemistry from Team USA

Langford and Oladipo would make intriguing backcourt for Indiana, and they are both from Indiana...

[sam_I_am]

New unspoken rule - any poster who says we should trade either Hayward or Smart for Love gets 4 lifetime bans from this board.

If the Celtics want to be a serious contender, they need to upgdrade their frontcourt. How can they beat the 76ers/Bucks in a playoff series with Theis/Kanter/RWIII? Many times this season, this particular weakness concerning their lack of abilities to dominate the paint has been exposed. The most flagrant example was when they lost against the Kings. Surelly it's one of the tallest team in the League and it's not representative of the whole League. However, as I wrote it, Celtics' most serious rivals during the 3-4 next seasons will be the Bucks and the 76ers. Thus, they need to do something in order to hide this weakness.
I think Hayward is a very good player but I don't think it's a player who can carry this team to the Finals.

It's why I wouldn't mind if a swap was made. But as I said, I don't think the Cavs want Hayward anyways. I think Love would be an upgrade but his contract his awful and I doubt the Celtics want to give up draft picks and their rooks.

Smart is a better front court player than Love, tho.

You make a great point. Getting a “big” sounds great unless that big detracts from what makes this particular team good. I would much rather have a versatile PF who can do what Jaylen-Tatum-Hayward are doing rather than a low post guy. Offensively Love would be great but he is always hurt, is soft and is too much of a liability defensively to justify the contract or pieces you’d have to give up IMO. A guy like 2017 Siakam would be a great addition even if he has no upside like the real Siakam has shown. An athletic PF who can defend bigs, rotate on wings, rebound, hit an occasional 3 etc. would be perfect.

[ElRisitas]

New unspoken rule - any poster who says we should trade either Hayward or Smart for Love gets 4 lifetime bans from this board.

If the Celtics want to be a serious contender, they need to upgdrade their frontcourt. How can they beat the 76ers/Bucks in a playoff series with Theis/Kanter/RWIII? Many times this season, this particular weakness concerning their lack of abilities to dominate the paint has been exposed. The most flagrant example was when they lost against the Kings. Surelly it's one of the tallest team in the League and it's not representative of the whole League. However, as I wrote it, Celtics' most serious rivals during the 3-4 next seasons will be the Bucks and the 76ers. Thus, they need to do something in order to hide this weakness.
I think Hayward is a very good player but I don't think it's a player who can carry this team to the Finals.

It's why I wouldn't mind if a swap was made. But as I said, I don't think the Cavs want Hayward anyways. I think Love would be an upgrade but his contract his awful and I doubt the Celtics want to give up draft picks and their rooks.

How does Love help against Embiid or Giannis?
Smart defends bigs better than Love.

I wasn't clear sorry.

Of course Love won't stop Antetokounmpo or Embiid. I don't say "Let's trade for Love to stop Embiid and Giannis and Boston will sweep the Lakers in Finals". Nobody can stop them. Mainly Antetokounmpo (even if Smart does a really good job every time he plays against him.)

However, Boston give up way too many defensive rebounds. It's an issue which has been lasting for many years.
As I said, I don't think trading for Love is relevant. Nonetheless, Boston really should considering adding to their roster a big-dominant-center in the future to solve this issue. Playing small-ball is something which is pretty effective nowadays but I'm not sure it's the right solution against the 76ers. Indeed, the smallest player in their starting-five is Richardson, who is 6'5" and they're all atletic, fast..

Furthermore, nobody can't deny Marcus Smart is a relentless defender, even against way taller players, but when it comes to take rebounds against these guys, it becomes really difficult for him.
It's why I say I won't mind if Ainge wants to go for a trade. Even if I don't think Love is the best solution, considering his age, his contract, and what you have to give up.

[Gant]

^ The Celtics are 17th in the league in rebound percentage. The Cavs, with Love and Thompson are 20th.

Love is expensive, at the end of his prime, not a center, not good defensively, and it would impair the roster to match salaries. So, it's not happening.

[ElRisitas]

If the Celtics want to be a serious contender, they need to upgdrade their frontcourt. How can they beat the 76ers/Bucks in a playoff series with Theis/Kanter/RWIII? Many times this season, this particular weakness concerning their lack of abilities to dominate the paint has been exposed. The most flagrant example was when they lost against the Kings. Surelly it's one of the tallest team in the League and it's not representative of the whole League. However, as I wrote it, Celtics' most serious rivals during the 3-4 next seasons will be the Bucks and the 76ers. Thus, they need to do something in order to hide this weakness.
I think Hayward is a very good player but I don't think it's a player who can carry this team to the Finals.

It's why I wouldn't mind if a swap was made. But as I said, I don't think the Cavs want Hayward anyways. I think Love would be an upgrade but his contract his awful and I doubt the Celtics want to give up draft picks and their rooks.

Smart is a better front court player than Love, tho.

You make a great point. Getting a “big” sounds great unless that big detracts from what makes this particular team good. I would much rather have a versatile PF who can do what Jaylen-Tatum-Hayward are doing rather than a low post guy. Offensively Love would be great but he is always hurt, is soft and is too much of a liability defensively to justify the contract or pieces you’d have to give up IMO. A guy like 2017 Siakam would be a great addition even if he has no upside like the real Siakam has shown. An athletic PF who can defend bigs, rotate on wings, rebound, hit an occasional 3 etc. would be perfect.

Yes, It's exactly what I want. Someone replied to one of my message saying :

But.......... you can spread the floor with wings and make the big slows defend the whole court, get tired, and give up 3's and lose.

Which is of course a good idea. However, when it comes to our "big" guys (RWIII,Kanter, Theis, Grant Williams, Poirier)...

None of them can take threes. Thus, you can't do some pick & pop, you don't put pressure on your opponent and it's way easier to defend, considering the screener can't shoot (The screener will basically always roll)...

[Fencer reregistered]

I'd rather trade for Myles Turner: Langford, Memphis 1st, Kanter or Theis, and salary fillers

Turner actually plays good interior D, shoots well from deep, and already has chemistry from Team USA

Langford and Oladipo would make intriguing backcourt for Indiana, and they are both from Indiana...

It's tough to get close enough to Turner's $18 million.

[BillTheGOAT]

Love sucks, say no.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Love would be a decent fit in a vacuum, but - we don’t have anything to trade for him.

Langford/MEM pick/Kanter/filler for Myles Turner is an extraordinary overpay - Turner isn’t that good and he doesn’t make us a championship favorite.

[Andrew McCeltic]

We could gel and make the Finals if the seeding works in our favor and someone else knocks out the Sixers. But we don’t have the personnel to handle dominant, physical bigs.

[leper-con]

Here's a sneaky trade.
Cousins from the Lakers to the Celtics for Odjeleye and Poirier.

why for the Lakers, they need wing depth.
Why for the Celtics, they need a big to guard AD and Embied.

It seem alike Cousins has been significantly humbled and his attitude seems to have improved.
We only need him for this year, high risk , high reward.

[Darth Celtic]

Here's a sneaky trade.
Cousins from the Lakers to the Celtics for Odjeleye and Poirier.

why for the Lakers, they need wing depth.
Why for the Celtics, they need a big to guard AD and Embied.

It seem alike Cousins has been significantly humbled and his attitude seems to have improved.
We only need him for this year, high risk , high reward.

I'd do Poirier for Cousins maybe if we can confirm him coming back this year, which I'm not sure of.

[leper-con]

Here's a sneaky trade.
Cousins from the Lakers to the Celtics for Odjeleye and Poirier.

why for the Lakers, they need wing depth.
Why for the Celtics, they need a big to guard AD and Embied.

It seem alike Cousins has been significantly humbled and his attitude seems to have improved.
We only need him for this year, high risk , high reward.

I'd do Poirier for Cousins maybe if we can confirm him coming back this year, which I'm not sure of.

I forgot what his injury is? bUt given how well Dwights been fitting in , they don't need Cousins coming back and disrupting things.

[Darth Celtic]

Here's a sneaky trade.
Cousins from the Lakers to the Celtics for Odjeleye and Poirier.

why for the Lakers, they need wing depth.
Why for the Celtics, they need a big to guard AD and Embied.

It seem alike Cousins has been significantly humbled and his attitude seems to have improved.
We only need him for this year, high risk , high reward.

I'd do Poirier for Cousins maybe if we can confirm him coming back this year, which I'm not sure of.

I forgot what his injury is? bUt given how well Dwights been fitting in , they don't need Cousins coming back and disrupting things.

acl in the offseason, they say he can be back, but he had no lift before the injury from his prior injuries, so getting him on a 1 year deal this year is just pointless.

[Andrew McCeltic]

If you take out the MEM pick and add a different first or two, how much salary do you have to put on top of Langford and one of Theis/Kanter?

[Fencer reregistered]

If you take out the MEM pick and add a different first or two, how much salary do you have to put on top of Langford and one of Theis/Kanter?

For Turner? A lot. You'd need to hit his salary minus $5 million -- i.e. $13 million.

[SmartWentCrazy]

If you take out the MEM pick and add a different first or two, how much salary do you have to put on top of Langford and one of Theis/Kanter?

Theyd only deal Turner in a package including Hayward IMO