2019 season speculation including trade ideas

[Jorgeglez7]

I definitely like Love. It's true that he is aging and his salary is big. But is the kind of PF we need. High IQ, very good 3pt shooter and a very good rebounder. Plus we know he will perfectly fit into the system. Giving tyler johnson and saric, or maybe tjo + jevon + kaminsky would me more than affordable as we will still have in our rotation love, baynes, ayton and either kaminsky or saric, plus our wings who can play 4 position in small ball. Adding one first round pick should be enough to make this happen.

Also it would be like poetic justice to put together Love and Rubio. I want him.

[Barkley6]

I definitely like Love. It's true that he is aging and his salary is big. But is the kind of PF we need. High IQ, very good 3pt shooter and a very good rebounder. Plus we know he will perfectly fit into the system. Giving tyler johnson and saric, or maybe tjo + jevon + kaminsky would me more than affordable as we will still have in our rotation love, baynes, ayton and either kaminsky or saric, plus our wings who can play 4 position in small ball. Adding one first round pick should be enough to make this happen.

Also it would be like poetic justice to put together Love and Rubio. I want him.

I like Love the player, I hate Love the contract.

If he got bought out I'd bang my fist through the table to sign him. But he wont get bought out with that many years left and while he's a nice fit, his injury history and that contract just scream STAY AWAY.

[Saberestar]

I definitely like Love. It's true that he is aging and his salary is big. But is the kind of PF we need. High IQ, very good 3pt shooter and a very good rebounder. Plus we know he will perfectly fit into the system. Giving tyler johnson and saric, or maybe tjo + jevon + kaminsky would me more than affordable as we will still have in our rotation love, baynes, ayton and either kaminsky or saric, plus our wings who can play 4 position in small ball. Adding one first round pick should be enough to make this happen.

Also it would be like poetic justice to put together Love and Rubio. I want him.

He is not the kind of PF that we need because he is a below average defender at best.

That is really important next to Booker and Ayton who sadly are not great defenders but they are really good offensively.

If we are make a big effort in salary and assets to get a veteran PF he needs to be at least a good overall defender. If that is not the case it will better to just stay pat and sign Saric and Baynes again next summer.

I do not care about his past relationship with James Jones or Rubio. Like with DLo and Booker I would not sign a player because they are friends or close.

IMO it is better to be professional and trade for a player just because his fit, talent and contract.

[King4Day]

I look at it this way.
In the next few years, will we be able to land someone the caliber of Love?

If we dealt for him, it takes us out of the free agency running in 2021. Since we are not exactly a free agent destination, it may be worth considering if it doesn't mean giving up the house.

I won't go more than Ty Johnson, Saric, and a protected 1st. May not sound like a lot, but Love's injury history scares me, and his contract scares me even more.

We can't sell 'waiting' with Booker. I think we'd be, at best, a playoff team. MAYBE we win a round. At that point, we have to bank on Booker and Ayton growing enough to carry the team after that.

[Dual]

I definitely like Love. It's true that he is aging and his salary is big. But is the kind of PF we need. High IQ, very good 3pt shooter and a very good rebounder. Plus we know he will perfectly fit into the system. Giving tyler johnson and saric, or maybe tjo + jevon + kaminsky would me more than affordable as we will still have in our rotation love, baynes, ayton and either kaminsky or saric, plus our wings who can play 4 position in small ball. Adding one first round pick should be enough to make this happen.

Also it would be like poetic justice to put together Love and Rubio. I want him.

He is not the kind of PF that we need because he is a bellow average defender at best.

That is really important next to Booker and Ayton who sadly are not great defenders but they are really good offensively.

If we are make a big effort in salary and assets to get a veteran PF he needs to be at least a good overall defender. If that is not the case it will better to just stay pat and sign Saric and Baynes again next summer.

I do not care about his past relationship with James Jones or Rubio. Like with DLo and Booker I would not sign a player because they are friends or close.

IMO it is better to be professional and trade for a player just because his fit, talent and contract.

The only thing that dont fit is the contract I believe.
Also in a competitive team, Love can be a serviceable defender, in a tanking team you dont have the same incentives.
I just want the team to make an offer, if they ask something more than Ty+Saric+Carter+Protected pick, screw them, but if they accept it, we only lose some flexibility in the future, but we also have a team full of quality and depth in all positions.
That will also attract some rotation FAs in the future.
And dont forget we have our own Stars in the making, if it pays out, we will be a contender.

[sunsbg]

If Saric is a 10 mln player, do you trade 3xSaric for 1xLove ?

[Dual]

I dont see any resemblance between Saric and Love tbh.
They are not in the same tier at all.
But if we opt to dont move anybody and stay put, is ok too.

[TeamTragic]

I look at it this way.
In the next few years, will we be able to land someone the caliber of Love?

If we dealt for him, it takes us out of the free agency running in 2021. Since we are not exactly a free agent destination, it may be worth considering if it doesn't mean giving up the house.

I won't go more than Ty Johnson, Saric, and a protected 1st. May not sound like a lot, but Love's injury history scares me, and his contract scares me even more.

We can't sell 'waiting' with Booker. I think we'd be, at best, a playoff team. MAYBE we win a round. At that point, we have to bank on Booker and Ayton growing enough to carry the team after that.

I wouldn't trade Saric/Johnson for Love. I would rather wait for free agency because I know that Jones/Monty have respect in this league.

[BobbieL]

I look at it this way.
In the next few years, will we be able to land someone the caliber of Love?

If we dealt for him, it takes us out of the free agency running in 2021. Since we are not exactly a free agent destination, it may be worth considering if it doesn't mean giving up the house.

I won't go more than Ty Johnson, Saric, and a protected 1st. May not sound like a lot, but Love's injury history scares me, and his contract scares me even more.

We can't sell 'waiting' with Booker. I think we'd be, at best, a playoff team. MAYBE we win a round. At that point, we have to bank on Booker and Ayton growing enough to carry the team after that.

I think for Love - that is all I would do. Maybe add Okobo or Carter if need be. Lottery protected pick - Suns make the playoffs - Cavs get the pick Maybe even to 18. I am still weary of the contract. Granted, I also think you have to put a value on Saric or the next PF. Because to fill that spot - its going to be in the mid teens I would think. Maybe Saric doesn't get 15m. Its why LMA is intriguing as we his contract is done in Summer 2021 and if the team is improved - especially Ayton with Booker - makes Phx attractive again.

[Dual]

To me Saric is just a good rotation player, I dont see him for now as a starter in a good playoff team.
He had good things but also some bad ones, like his touch around the basket, his speed and his inconsistent shot.
If we make some trade and we can keep him, is nice, but I think people will ask for him at least, as he is also a player in last year contract.

[Saberestar]

I definitely like Love. It's true that he is aging and his salary is big. But is the kind of PF we need. High IQ, very good 3pt shooter and a very good rebounder. Plus we know he will perfectly fit into the system. Giving tyler johnson and saric, or maybe tjo + jevon + kaminsky would me more than affordable as we will still have in our rotation love, baynes, ayton and either kaminsky or saric, plus our wings who can play 4 position in small ball. Adding one first round pick should be enough to make this happen.

Also it would be like poetic justice to put together Love and Rubio. I want him.

He is not the kind of PF that we need because he is a bellow average defender at best.

That is really important next to Booker and Ayton who sadly are not great defenders but they are really good offensively.

If we are make a big effort in salary and assets to get a veteran PF he needs to be at least a good overall defender. If that is not the case it will better to just stay pat and sign Saric and Baynes again next summer.

I do not care about his past relationship with James Jones or Rubio. Like with DLo and Booker I would not sign a player because they are friends or close.

IMO it is better to be professional and trade for a player just because his fit, talent and contract.

The only thing that dont fit is the contract I believe.
Also in a competitive team, Love can be a serviceable defender, in a tanking team you dont have the same incentives.
I just want the team to make an offer, if they ask something more than Ty+Saric+Carter+Protected pick, screw them, but if they accept it, we only lose some flexibility in the future, but we also have a team full of quality and depth in all positions.
That will also attract some rotation FAs in the future.
And dont forget we have our own Stars in the making, if it pays out, we will be a contender.

He doesn't fit well because of his defense. We need a good defender and shooter at PF next to Booker and Ayton.
Saric is a better defender than Love and he is just mediocre (but better than expected). At least he is cheap.

Love was not a liability on defense for the Cavs because he was next to LeBron and Tristan Thompson. We don't have anyone in the roster that can have an impact on defense like those two had in their run, not even close. And that Cavs team had another few defensive specialists on their roster (like Shumpert or Dellavedova), so in that roster he was a good fit.

[Dual]

We have good defenders in our lineup already in Ricky and Oubre, and I'm a believer on Ayton, he looked promising in 1st game.
Booker is defending better too, I just dont have others impression about Love defense, he is an ok defender to me.
Also Cavs had Irving, which is for sure a liability on defense, as you can see now in Brooklyn (they are getting -12 ppg without him).
I dont know, if Jones try to trade for him, I trust him, if not, is ok too.
Just a win/win situation tbh.

[TeamTragic]

He is not the kind of PF that we need because he is a bellow average defender at best.

That is really important next to Booker and Ayton who sadly are not great defenders but they are really good offensively.

If we are make a big effort in salary and assets to get a veteran PF he needs to be at least a good overall defender. If that is not the case it will better to just stay pat and sign Saric and Baynes again next summer.

I do not care about his past relationship with James Jones or Rubio. Like with DLo and Booker I would not sign a player because they are friends or close.

IMO it is better to be professional and trade for a player just because his fit, talent and contract.

The only thing that dont fit is the contract I believe.
Also in a competitive team, Love can be a serviceable defender, in a tanking team you dont have the same incentives.
I just want the team to make an offer, if they ask something more than Ty+Saric+Carter+Protected pick, screw them, but if they accept it, we only lose some flexibility in the future, but we also have a team full of quality and depth in all positions.
That will also attract some rotation FAs in the future.
And dont forget we have our own Stars in the making, if it pays out, we will be a contender.

He doesn't fit well because of his defense. We need a good defender and shooter at PF next to Booker and Ayton.
Saric is a better defender than Love and he is just mediocre (but better than expected). At least he is cheap.

Love was not a liability on defense for the Cavs because he was next to LeBron and Tristan Thompson. We don't have anyone in the roster that can have an impact on defense like those two had in their run, not even close. And that Cavs team had another few defensive specialists on their roster (like Shumpert or Dellavedova), so in that roster he was a good fit.

Exactly. That is why I think we should go after Green. Maybe he will be available around the trade deadline?

[Dual]

The only thing that dont fit is the contract I believe.
Also in a competitive team, Love can be a serviceable defender, in a tanking team you dont have the same incentives.
I just want the team to make an offer, if they ask something more than Ty+Saric+Carter+Protected pick, screw them, but if they accept it, we only lose some flexibility in the future, but we also have a team full of quality and depth in all positions.
That will also attract some rotation FAs in the future.
And dont forget we have our own Stars in the making, if it pays out, we will be a contender.

He doesn't fit well because of his defense. We need a good defender and shooter at PF next to Booker and Ayton.
Saric is a better defender than Love and he is just mediocre (but better than expected). At least he is cheap.

Love was not a liability on defense for the Cavs because he was next to LeBron and Tristan Thompson. We don't have anyone in the roster that can have an impact on defense like those two had in their run, not even close. And that Cavs team had another few defensive specialists on their roster (like Shumpert or Dellavedova), so in that roster he was a good fit.

Exactly. That is why I think we should go after Green. Maybe he will be available around the trade deadline?

They are not trading Green at all mate, is part of their core 3.
Also we need shooting, and he is really bad in that regard.

[TeamTragic]

He doesn't fit well because of his defense. We need a good defender and shooter at PF next to Booker and Ayton.
Saric is a better defender than Love and he is just mediocre (but better than expected). At least he is cheap.

Love was not a liability on defense for the Cavs because he was next to LeBron and Tristan Thompson. We don't have anyone in the roster that can have an impact on defense like those two had in their run, not even close. And that Cavs team had another few defensive specialists on their roster (like Shumpert or Dellavedova), so in that roster he was a good fit.

Exactly. That is why I think we should go after Green. Maybe he will be available around the trade deadline?

They are not trading Green at all mate, is part of their core 3.
Also we need shooting, and he is really bad in that regard.

Our shooting is better than last season. Our defense however remains a complete joke.

[Dual]

Exactly. That is why I think we should go after Green. Maybe he will be available around the trade deadline?

They are not trading Green at all mate, is part of their core 3.
Also we need shooting, and he is really bad in that regard.

Our shooting is better than last season. Our defense however remains a complete joke.

Because of the injuries, we started the season being one of the best teams in that aspect of the game.
If you have none protecting the paint it unbalance everything.

[TeamTragic]

They are not trading Green at all mate, is part of their core 3.
Also we need shooting, and he is really bad in that regard.

Our shooting is better than last season. Our defense however remains a complete joke.

Because of the injuries, we started the season being on of the best teams in that aspect of the game.
If you have none protecting the paint it unbalance everything.

You are right. Ayton needs to bring the defense and rebounding.

[Qwigglez]

Like someone else mentioned, are we going to be able to land someone else in free agency this summer or the next? I assume everyone is on same page regarding keeping Baynes on a contract of $10 mil a year. If so, and we stand pat, we have at best about $20 mil in salary cap space to sign someone. There isn't really any PF's on the market this summer that fit our ideal age group, most of them are a bit older such as Ibaka, Gallinari. Harrel is available but he clogs the paint for Ayton. If Sabonis didn't sign a contract extension recently I would have him at the top of my Christmas list.

I think the best way for us to improve is to trade for one of these older veterans like LMA, Griffin, or Love. Use the MLE this summer to further improve the roster. Or maybe, the Bulls are willing to move on from Lauri but want to package him with Otto Porter in order to gain some cap flexibility this summer. I'd be willing to give up Bridges, a protected future 1st (maybe 2) for Lauri (and Otto in this case).

[TeamTragic]

Like someone else mentioned, are we going to be able to land someone else in free agency this summer or the next? I assume everyone is on same page regarding keeping Baynes on a contract of $10 mil a year. If so, and we stand pat, we have at best about $20 mil in salary cap space to sign someone. There isn't really any PF's on the market this summer that fit our ideal age group, most of them are a bit older such as Ibaka, Gallinari. Harrel is available but he clogs the paint for Ayton. If Sabonis didn't sign a contract extension recently I would have him at the top of my Christmas list.

I think the best way for us to improve is to trade for one of these older veterans like LMA, Griffin, or Love. Use the MLE this summer to further improve the roster. Or maybe, the Bulls are willing to move on from Lauri but want to package him with Otto Porter in order to gain some cap flexibility this summer. I'd be willing to give up Bridges, a protected future 1st (maybe 2) for Lauri (and Otto in this case).

How did that work with Chandler/Ariza?

[Qwigglez]

Like someone else mentioned, are we going to be able to land someone else in free agency this summer or the next? I assume everyone is on same page regarding keeping Baynes on a contract of $10 mil a year. If so, and we stand pat, we have at best about $20 mil in salary cap space to sign someone. There isn't really any PF's on the market this summer that fit our ideal age group, most of them are a bit older such as Ibaka, Gallinari. Harrel is available but he clogs the paint for Ayton. If Sabonis didn't sign a contract extension recently I would have him at the top of my Christmas list.

I think the best way for us to improve is to trade for one of these older veterans like LMA, Griffin, or Love. Use the MLE this summer to further improve the roster. Or maybe, the Bulls are willing to move on from Lauri but want to package him with Otto Porter in order to gain some cap flexibility this summer. I'd be willing to give up Bridges, a protected future 1st (maybe 2) for Lauri (and Otto in this case).

How did that work with Chandler/Ariza?

Yes because signing role players is the same thing as trading for multiple time all-stars. Oh... and they got us the No 1 overall pick so there's that if you want to be cynical. I trust James Jones for now to make the right decision.