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Game 23: Los Angeles Clippers (16-6) @ Milwaukee Bucks (19-3) - 8:30 PM ET

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Re: Game 23: Los Angeles Clippers (16-6) @ Milwaukee Bucks (19-3) - 8:30 PM ET 

Post#61 » by og15 » Sat Dec 7, 2019 10:46 pm

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NippySudz wrote:Tough loss. I have a feeling they will bounce back. Let's not overreact. They'll have plenty film to work with.

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What are you talking about.. Doc rarely has team practices.

Film session ;)
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Re: Game 23: Los Angeles Clippers (16-6) @ Milwaukee Bucks (19-3) - 8:30 PM ET 

Post#62 » by TheNewEra » Sun Dec 8, 2019 3:09 am

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og15 wrote:The fouling is the difficult part for Zubac. It is true that if you are played more situationally, put in when it looks favourable to you and taken out when it looks unfavourable, it will benefit your statistics, and if a player is playing under the 24-ish mpg range, then it is possible to play them in that fashion. That is what Doc does with Zubac. I can’t conclusively say that Zubac should play more and therefore, Trezz less, it’s only speculation at this moment that it would benefit the team.



His minutes are lined up against starter level players I don’t know how you can benefit from having all of your minutes come against teams best units

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Numbers like these have been displayed all season and it’s simple from the eye test that Zubac makes the team better defensively

Well I don't disagree that he makes the defense better.

His NetRtg is -1.0. The offense is 6.4 pts/100 better when he's off the floor, and defense is 5.4 pts/100 better. So there is something about the lineups he plays with and their offense, and like you said, he is playing with starters.

Playing against starters also means playing with starters. Depending on the strength or lack thereof of a team's bench, playing against, and therefore with starters can actually make you more productive than otherwise.

So far, it is true that Zubac is played more when it is favorable for him and has been benched when it might not be. That helps you out when you get to avoid bad matchups, which you can do playing <20 mpg.


Outside of the 8 games we have had with Kawhi and PG the starters have not been a favorable lineup. Even beyond that he was even more productive outside of his recent fouling slump.

When the guy playing the fewest minutes is second in scoring among the starters should indicate the struggle the rest of the guy had going. Beverly came into the season on a massive shooting slump and guys like Patterson/Shamet/Harkless had struggles putting up points so it was Kawhi iso or the pick and roll or bust.

Lou and Harrell are brought in to be a scoring surge against teams second units so I’m not shocked the numbers are higher
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Re: Game 23: Los Angeles Clippers (16-6) @ Milwaukee Bucks (19-3) - 8:30 PM ET 

Post#63 » by og15 » Sun Dec 8, 2019 3:36 am

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His minutes are lined up against starter level players I don’t know how you can benefit from having all of your minutes come against teams best units

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Numbers like these have been displayed all season and it’s simple from the eye test that Zubac makes the team better defensively

Well I don't disagree that he makes the defense better.

His NetRtg is -1.0. The offense is 6.4 pts/100 better when he's off the floor, and defense is 5.4 pts/100 better. So there is something about the lineups he plays with and their offense, and like you said, he is playing with starters.

Playing against starters also means playing with starters. Depending on the strength or lack thereof of a team's bench, playing against, and therefore with starters can actually make you more productive than otherwise.

So far, it is true that Zubac is played more when it is favorable for him and has been benched when it might not be. That helps you out when you get to avoid bad matchups, which you can do playing <20 mpg.


Outside of the 8 games we have had with Kawhi and PG the starters have not been a favorable lineup. Even beyond that he was even more productive outside of his recent fouling slump.

When the guy playing the fewest minutes is second in scoring among the starters should indicate the struggle the rest of the guy had going. Beverly came into the season on a massive shooting slump and guys like Patterson/Shamet/Harkless had struggles putting up points so it was Kawhi iso or the pick and roll or bust.

Lou and Harrell are brought in to be a scoring surge against teams second units so I’m not shocked the numbers are higher

Since the Houston game, when PG/Leonard first played, the team has a 104.4 Ortg and 104.0 Drtg with Zubac on, +0.4 NetRtg. For Harrell it is 115.2 Ortg and 102.9 Drtg, +12.3 NetRtg. They are better on offense and defense with Harrell since both stars started playing together,

Kawhi on the court with Zubac since he’s been playing with George, the team has a 102.0 Ortg, 101.5 Drtg, +0.5 NetRtg. When Zubac is off, the lineups with Kawhi have a 119.0 Ortg and 100.4 Drtg, +18.5 NetRtg, So the numbers aren’t supporting Zubac on either end, and offensively, there’s just something up with the lineups with him on.

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