Around the NBA 2019-20

[Jstock12]

TJ Warren a beast this season. Much improved defense. Plus, 19 PPG on 52/41/82 shooting splits. Good pickup by Indiana. They'd probably be just slightly above .500 without him. Really came into his own.

[sunsbg]

TJ Warren a beast this season. Much improved defense. Plus, 19 PPG on 52/41/82 shooting splits. Good pickup by Indiana. They'd probably be just slightly above .500 without him. Really came into his own.

Then we can say Cam Johnson (a rookie) is a beast as well. Beats Warren badly in rebounding, blocks, assists, not that far in scoring per 36.

[Jstock12]

TJ Warren a beast this season. Much improved defense. Plus, 19 PPG on 52/41/82 shooting splits. Good pickup by Indiana. They'd probably be just slightly above .500 without him. Really came into his own.

Then we can say Cam Johnson (a rookie) is a beast as well. Beats Warren badly in rebounding, blocks, assists, not that far in scoring per 36.

Sorry I don't follow your argument. Cam is a nice rookie and all, but games aren't played in PER36 though (otherwise Boban Marjanovic would be an All-Star). Warren has made so many clutch baskets for them during the season, really carried them to quite a few wins. I'm interested to know who's leading them in 3rd/4th quarter scoring, wouldn't be surprised if it's Warren. He's also one of Indiana's better defenders this season (and they're a #8 ranked defense).

[Qwigglez]

Glad Warren is having success. Never disliked the guy, but always felt we could have gotten way more value out of him than a measly 2nd round pick. Happy with Cam, Bridges, and Oubre over any combination of having Warren with two of the former mentioned.

[sunsbg]

TJ Warren a beast this season. Much improved defense. Plus, 19 PPG on 52/41/82 shooting splits. Good pickup by Indiana. They'd probably be just slightly above .500 without him. Really came into his own.

Then we can say Cam Johnson (a rookie) is a beast as well. Beats Warren badly in rebounding, blocks, assists, not that far in scoring per 36.

Sorry I don't follow your argument. Cam is a nice rookie and all, but games aren't played in PER36 though (otherwise Boban Marjanovic would be an All-Star). Warren has made so many clutch baskets for them during the season, really carried them to quite a few wins. I'm interested to know who's leading them in 3rd/4th quarter scoring, wouldn't be surprised if it's Warren. He's also one of Indiana's better defenders this season (and they're a #8 ranked defense).

It's just strange to call someone a beast when he has the same averages in those three categories I mentioned as our rookie in almost twice more time. I put per 36 for the scoring and I don't see why Cam can't keep it with more minutes. Looks like same old Warren to me, an efficient scorer as he doesn't do anything else on the court, which is fine on a team like the Pacers or as a 6th man on any team. Once Oladipo is back I'm not sure he keeps the number of shots though, so better start contributing in other areas.

[bwgood77]

TJ Warren a beast this season. Much improved defense. Plus, 19 PPG on 52/41/82 shooting splits. Good pickup by Indiana. They'd probably be just slightly above .500 without him. Really came into his own.

Then we can say Cam Johnson (a rookie) is a beast as well. Beats Warren badly in rebounding, blocks, assists, not that far in scoring per 36.

Sorry I don't follow your argument. Cam is a nice rookie and all, but games aren't played in PER36 though (otherwise Boban Marjanovic would be an All-Star). Warren has made so many clutch baskets for them during the season, really carried them to quite a few wins. I'm interested to know who's leading them in 3rd/4th quarter scoring, wouldn't be surprised if it's Warren. He's also one of Indiana's better defenders this season (and they're a #8 ranked defense).

Yeah, he's good. Playing like he did at the beginning of last year overall now for the season with better D. But if you just look at the last few weeks, it's better than that even because he had a bad start and it took a while to fit in. When they get Oladipo back, their team will be loaded and fun to watch...they already are fun to watch. I can't help when watching Brogdon...he plays a lot like Booker, or at least at times looks a lot like him, except on defense of course.

[Bogyo]

Glad Warren is having success. Never disliked the guy, but always felt we could have gotten way more value out of him than a measly 2nd round pick. Happy with Cam, Bridges, and Oubre over any combination of having Warren with two of the former mentioned.

Hate to piss on this parade, but we have up the 32nd pick to the Pacers, which turned out to be Thybulle... SMH on that asset management eversince.

[Jstock12]

Then we can say Cam Johnson (a rookie) is a beast as well. Beats Warren badly in rebounding, blocks, assists, not that far in scoring per 36.

Sorry I don't follow your argument. Cam is a nice rookie and all, but games aren't played in PER36 though (otherwise Boban Marjanovic would be an All-Star). Warren has made so many clutch baskets for them during the season, really carried them to quite a few wins. I'm interested to know who's leading them in 3rd/4th quarter scoring, wouldn't be surprised if it's Warren. He's also one of Indiana's better defenders this season (and they're a #8 ranked defense).

an efficient scorer as he doesn't do anything else on the court

It's true that he's not much of a playmaker or passer, but being an extremely efficient scorer and an above average defender is a bargain for 12M/year. As long as he keeps up his efficiency, the lack of passing isn't an issue because his teammates are unlikely to score more efficiently than him (60 TS%) anyway.

[Qwigglez]

Glad Warren is having success. Never disliked the guy, but always felt we could have gotten way more value out of him than a measly 2nd round pick. Happy with Cam, Bridges, and Oubre over any combination of having Warren with two of the former mentioned.

Hate to piss on this parade, but we have up the 32nd pick to the Pacers, which turned out to be Thybulle... SMH on that asset management eversince.

****. I knew I wasn't remembering things correctly. That's what happens when you don't get enough sleep.

[Jstock12]

Glad Warren is having success. Never disliked the guy, but always felt we could have gotten way more value out of him than a measly 2nd round pick. Happy with Cam, Bridges, and Oubre over any combination of having Warren with two of the former mentioned.

Hate to piss on this parade, but we have up the 32nd pick to the Pacers, which turned out to be Thybulle... SMH on that asset management eversince.

****. I knew I wasn't remembering things correctly. That's what happens when you don't get enough sleep.

I think that logic is kinda flawed though. You can't just assume that the Suns would have drafted Thybulle if they kept the pick.

Edit: wait, wasn't Thybulle drafted 20th overall?

[Bogyo]

Hate to piss on this parade, but we have up the 32nd pick to the Pacers, which turned out to be Thybulle... SMH on that asset management eversince.

****. I knew I wasn't remembering things correctly. That's what happens when you don't get enough sleep.

I think that logic is kinda flawed though. You can't just assume that the Suns would have drafted Thybulle if they kept the pick.

No argument there, we don't know who we would have picked, and if we would have kept the pick or not. What I'm saying is that I still have a sneaky, anxious gut feeling that we did not do our due diligance with that trade. For a player like Warren, you should be able to GET a second rounder, even if he is a salary dump - IF you go around in time, make the calls, work the GM's etc... but it is what it is now, and I have no evidence besides some rumours, and the fact that I've never seen this type of thing in my 25 years of following the NBA.

[sunsbg]

Sorry I don't follow your argument. Cam is a nice rookie and all, but games aren't played in PER36 though (otherwise Boban Marjanovic would be an All-Star). Warren has made so many clutch baskets for them during the season, really carried them to quite a few wins. I'm interested to know who's leading them in 3rd/4th quarter scoring, wouldn't be surprised if it's Warren. He's also one of Indiana's better defenders this season (and they're a #8 ranked defense).

an efficient scorer as he doesn't do anything else on the court

It's true that he's not much of a playmaker or passer, but being an extremely efficient scorer and an above average defender is a bargain for 12M/year. As long as he keeps up his efficiency, the lack of passing isn't an issue because his teammates are unlikely to score more efficiently than him (60 TS%) anyway.

I have to admit I have not watched Warren this season, but his rebounds, steals and blocks(twice less) have regressed from last season, so hard to imagine he's improved in this area. Probably just looking better playing in a better D system, which is not surprising for eastern team.

[Jstock12]

an efficient scorer as he doesn't do anything else on the court

It's true that he's not much of a playmaker or passer, but being an extremely efficient scorer and an above average defender is a bargain for 12M/year. As long as he keeps up his efficiency, the lack of passing isn't an issue because his teammates are unlikely to score more efficiently than him (60 TS%) anyway.

I have to admit I have not watched Warren this season, but his rebounds, steals and blocks(twice less) have regressed from last season, so hard to imagine he's improved in this area. Probably just looking better playing in a better D system, which is not surprising for eastern team.

I've watched maybe 80-90% of Pacers games this season. I think a better defensive system is a part of it, but also, Warren is a big reason why they're the #8 ranked defense. He is often tasked with defending the best players on the opposing teams.

[sunsbg]

****. I knew I wasn't remembering things correctly. That's what happens when you don't get enough sleep.

I think that logic is kinda flawed though. You can't just assume that the Suns would have drafted Thybulle if they kept the pick.

No argument there, we don't know who we would have picked, and if we would have kept the pick or not. What I'm saying is that I still have a sneaky, anxious gut feeling that we did not do our due diligance with that trade. For a player like Warren, you should be able to GET a second rounder, even if he is a salary dump - IF you go around in time, make the calls, work the GM's etc... but it is what it is now, and I have no evidence besides some rumours, and the fact that I've never seen this type of thing in my 25 years of following the NBA.

I had the feeling we can get something better from the trades of IT, Bledsoe and even Marcus Morris (a starter for the Celtics). You always get lower value, in the case of Warren probably because of the games played(or lack of it).

[Bogyo]

I think that logic is kinda flawed though. You can't just assume that the Suns would have drafted Thybulle if they kept the pick.

No argument there, we don't know who we would have picked, and if we would have kept the pick or not. What I'm saying is that I still have a sneaky, anxious gut feeling that we did not do our due diligance with that trade. For a player like Warren, you should be able to GET a second rounder, even if he is a salary dump - IF you go around in time, make the calls, work the GM's etc... but it is what it is now, and I have no evidence besides some rumours, and the fact that I've never seen this type of thing in my 25 years of following the NBA.

I had the feeling we can get something better from the trades of IT, Bledsoe and even Marcus Morris (a starter for the Celtics). You always get lower value, in the case of Warren probably because of the games played(or lack of it).

Well, everybody (here and I guess real GMs too) value players differently, and situations differently. In those deals I felt that our hands are really forced, so noone will do a "fair" deal with us for various reasons (roster structure, locker room issues, or the player being a grade-A bunghole piece of dirt human being in the case of Morris). So while we did get back "little" in those trades I was OK with them. It's another question that we should have never been in those situations to begin with, in the case of IT and Bled at least. You are right in this sense - that is kind of the same issue here, if the GM did his work in advance, on the down low, he should have (would have!) gotten better results.

[suns12345]

Hate to piss on this parade, but we have up the 32nd pick to the Pacers, which turned out to be Thybulle... SMH on that asset management eversince.

****. I knew I wasn't remembering things correctly. That's what happens when you don't get enough sleep.

I think that logic is kinda flawed though. You can't just assume that the Suns would have drafted Thybulle if they kept the pick.

Edit: wait, wasn't Thybulle drafted 20th overall?

Stop making stuff up. 32nd pick was KZ Okpala... I'm not losing any sleep over it.

We have been better without Warren, and everyone on the team seems to be happier. And Warren seems to be happier. Everyone is a winner.

[bwgood77]

****. I knew I wasn't remembering things correctly. That's what happens when you don't get enough sleep.

I think that logic is kinda flawed though. You can't just assume that the Suns would have drafted Thybulle if they kept the pick.

Edit: wait, wasn't Thybulle drafted 20th overall?

Stop making stuff up. 32nd pick was KZ Okpala... I'm not losing any sleep over it.

We have been better without Warren, and everyone on the team seems to be happier. And Warren seems to be happier. Everyone is a winner.

Yeah, while our team might be better with Bridges starting and Warren as 6th man, it's done and it worked out for the Pacers and it our team is better overall (mostly due to adding a PG and PF and Baynes...not because we removed Warren), so at this point it's water under the bridge. Not good value on the trade and if they waited a bit they likely get more, but not much. There are not too many teams I like in the east either, but I like the Pacers, and I also wanted and like Brogdon and Oladipo, so that's fun team to pull for in the east.

[bwgood77]

Dallas was down 24 to the Kings and got it down to 2 at the end and the ball, but missed, and the Kings luckily pulled it off. OKC up on Portland quite a bit as well.

[Dual]

Last 20 games of the season are going to be wild...

[Dual]

I like Timberwolves this year, playing really good. Towns is playing amazing