MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] - voting reopened

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Who is your pick for the 2019-20 MVP?

Antetokounmpo
253
51%
James
53
11%
Walker
4
1%
Doncic
117
24%
Harden
27
5%
Siakam
12
2%
Jokic
4
1%
Leonard
5
1%
Davis
17
3%
Towns
5
1%
 
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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] - voting reopened 

Post#1481 » by DutchManDanFan » Mon Dec 9, 2019 5:53 am

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DutchManDanFan wrote:Bucks fans don’t care much about this award. Giannis doesn’t care himself. It’s all about winning the championship. But if you see Giannis play every game and you look at the stats and the standings, you know it’s very difficult for someone else to beat him in MVP voting. No formula or advanced stats needed.

Can fans stop with this bs about players not caring about winning the MVP? Giannis sure as hell cares, last season before he won his MVP he came out and said in an interview before the start of the 2018-2019 season, that towards the end of the 2017-2018 season, he chased the MVP. So sure as hell cares and why wouldn’t he? Winning the MVP puts you in rarefied air and winning B2B MVPs puts you in a very exclusive club

There’s a difference between caring about winning the MVP and that simply being your only goal and giving very little fks about team goals

It’s no bs at all. In fact I think he hates it if he wins MVP again but not a ring. Or at least gets a step further than last year. The lost ECF learned him a lesson: he has to be better. The result? He’s better.
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Post#1482 » by Barnzy » Mon Dec 9, 2019 6:04 am

Wolfgang630 wrote:Today continues to show LeBron isn’t the top MVP candidate. AD plays like an MVP candidate too. They cancel out each other.


No they don't.

The argument they cancel each other out is very dumb.
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Post#1483 » by OriginalRed » Mon Dec 9, 2019 6:28 am

Lebron is definitely not the current MVP, no matter how the media tries to spin it. When you have a team mate that's having a MVP season like AD is having right now on your team, you simply can't be ahead in the MVP race over guys like Luka and Giannis who are one man wrecking crews and don't have another superstar they can rely on and are actually winning games. When was the last time Khris Middleton or Porzingis dropped anywhere near 50 points? You got AD dropping over 30 points on a daily basis lol, it's ridiculous.
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Post#1484 » by WHITE_HOT_HEAT » Mon Dec 9, 2019 6:53 am

Giannis further solidifying his position with Lukas poor performance and Davis playing great.

Giannis

Luka
LeBron
Harden
AD

It's pretty close even now. If Giannis had win 2, there would've been voter fatigue. Not the case though.
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Post#1485 » by postaboy84 » Mon Dec 9, 2019 7:20 am

You have to take account market, spotlight, fanbase, media, and brand. Giannis doesn’t play in that high pressure environment like Lebron and AD do. I’m willing to bet Giannis will struggle to live up to his potential and become the player he’s right now if he started his career in LA.

With that said I have Giannis ahead of Lebron but not by a lot. They’re pretty close.


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Post#1486 » by trueballer7 » Mon Dec 9, 2019 7:53 am

Its bye bye MVP for Lebroni now, its bye bye time already. Sooner or later he's gonna start pouting for AD being the clear cut best Laker. Bye bye bye Lebroni
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Post#1487 » by Barnzy » Mon Dec 9, 2019 7:56 am

trueballer7 wrote:Its bye bye MVP for Lebroni now, its bye bye time already. Sooner or later he's gonna start pouting for AD being the clear cut best Laker. Bye bye bye Lebroni


Great post as usual.
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Post#1488 » by LikeABosh » Mon Dec 9, 2019 8:10 am

trueballer7 wrote:Its bye bye MVP for Lebroni now, its bye bye time already. Sooner or later he's gonna start pouting for AD being the clear cut best Laker. Bye bye bye Lebroni


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Post#1489 » by MrPerfect1 » Mon Dec 9, 2019 8:38 am

The argument for Lebron isn't very strong. He was with LAL last year and they didn't even make the playoffs. What is different about the team this year? Obviously the main difference is AD
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Post#1490 » by Freighttrain » Mon Dec 9, 2019 8:39 am

This MVP discussion is more about discrediting what players are doing than anything.. Wierd.
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Post#1491 » by Dupp » Mon Dec 9, 2019 8:40 am

AD and bron don’t “ cancel each other out” but they are definitely taking votes off one another.

ADs play lately is insane and it’s bought him forward in the race and lebron backward because he’s no longer very clearly the driving force of the lakers. ( Although i do think he’s still the most important player on that team)


So yeah I agree it’s freak followed by luka and then hard on.



LikeABosh wrote:
trueballer7 wrote:Its bye bye MVP for Lebroni now, its bye bye time already. Sooner or later he's gonna start pouting for AD being the clear cut best Laker. Bye bye bye Lebroni


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Post#1492 » by OriginalRed » Mon Dec 9, 2019 9:59 am

postaboy84 wrote:You have to take account market, spotlight, fanbase, media, and brand. Giannis doesn’t play in that high pressure environment like Lebron and AD do. I’m willing to bet Giannis will struggle to live up to his potential and become the player he’s right now if he started his career in LA.

With that said I have Giannis ahead of Lebron but not by a lot. They’re pretty close.


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What kind of criteria is this? None of those things have ever been factored into MVP voting. There's pressure on every superstar when they're in the MVP race.
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Post#1493 » by evilpimp972 » Mon Dec 9, 2019 10:47 am

Magic Giannison wrote:AD performing great in the playoffs? what?

Giannis got neutralized?when?


What is this revisionists history im reading again.

Giannis was getting guarded by the best defensive team in the last 15 years ,being triple teamed everytime and put 23/12/6 and shutting down Siakam all series.

In fact Giannis was the best defender in the playoffs.

Honestly, stop promoting false narratives that got debunked ages ago.

Also Lakers roster isnt stacked? what?

Holy cow these takes man

AD playoffs numbers are insane, not sure how you can doubt that. And he played 2 series against the warriors.
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Post#1494 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Dec 9, 2019 12:25 pm

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Post#1495 » by NeutralObserver » Mon Dec 9, 2019 1:37 pm

I don't understand you can be in the MVP discussion while having your teammate drop 50 points with minimum effort.

They feed AD the ball like prime Shaq, but somehow LeBron is the 'most valuable' on the team??

It's Giannis, Davis, or Luka.
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Post#1496 » by greekbuck34 » Mon Dec 9, 2019 2:20 pm

NeutralObserver wrote:I don't understand you can be in the MVP discussion while having your teammate drop 50 points with minimum effort.

They feed AD the ball like prime Shaq, but somehow LeBron is the 'most valuable' on the team??

It's Giannis, Davis, or Luka.


Did you see the on/off numbers of AD? Having a top 5 player on your team while also being the second goat doesn't help at all winning games. This is not a two player game...
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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] - voting reopened 

Post#1497 » by Colbinii » Mon Dec 9, 2019 2:22 pm

LikeABosh wrote:
trueballer7 wrote:Its bye bye MVP for Lebroni now, its bye bye time already. Sooner or later he's gonna start pouting for AD being the clear cut best Laker. Bye bye bye Lebroni


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Post#1498 » by Ron Swanson » Mon Dec 9, 2019 3:17 pm

It's not really about Lebron and AD "cancelling each other out" as much as it is about Lebron arguably not even being the best player on his own team. Or do we think that Dwyane Wade should have gotten 1st place MVP votes over Lebron in 2010-11?

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Post#1499 » by yoyoboy » Mon Dec 9, 2019 3:17 pm

Magic Giannison wrote:AD performing great in the playoffs? what?

Giannis got neutralized?when?


What is this revisionists history im reading again.

Giannis was getting guarded by the best defensive team in the last 15 years,

Hyperbole much? Toronto was only the 5th ranked defense on the year. The 2015, 2017, and 2018 Warriors, 2007 and 2016 Spurs, 2012 Celtics, 2012 Bulls, 2012 Heat, 2009 Magic, 2008 Celtics, and 2006 Pistons all very arguably had superior defenses.
being triple teamed everytime

No he wasn’t just naturally triple teamed. The Raptors just set up a wall of defenders in the paint because 1) they didn’t trust his passing game enough once he got into the paint to make them pay for that kind of coverage (and it worked) and 2) they were fine backing off him and letting him shoot from the perimeter where he would get guarded by basically nobody. That defensive scheme was just as much about exploiting Giannis’ weaknesses as it was trying to combat his strengths.
and put 23/12/6 and shutting down Siakam all series.

22.7 ppg on 51.8% TS is pretty crap scoring. That’s over 4% below league average efficiency. It’s especially bad when you consider the fact he was an MVP who averaged 5 more ppg on 12.6% higher scoring efficiency during the regular season in 6 less minutes per game.

5.5 apg would be nice...until you consider the fact that it came alongside 4.2 topg. That’s very inefficient passing. So it’s fair to say his playmaking deficiencies were definitely taken advantage of by Toronto and he didn’t put on a passing display reminiscent of “Magic Johnson” as your username compares him to. For reference, his supporting cast posted 18.7 apg to 8.0 topg for the series.

Sure he rebounded well and played good defense against Siakam but it’s not like Siakam was exactly the scoring threat he’s developed into this year. Furthermore, he probably should’ve taken up the assignment of trying to guard Kawhi at some point - the dude who burned them for 30 ppg on 57.4% TS in the series.

In fact Giannis was the best defender in the playoffs.

Draymond, Embiid, Horford, and Tucker were clearly better.

Honestly, stop promoting false narratives that got debunked ages ago.

Nothing’s been debunked. Giannis was awful in that a series against Toronto by MVP standards. If you can’t admit that, then you really hurt your credibility as someone who can look at things objectively and make an honest and logical argument rather than giving unwavering love and support to the guy you stan.
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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] - voting reopened 

Post#1500 » by MarcusBrody » Mon Dec 9, 2019 3:42 pm

I don't think anyone could watch the Lakers regularly and think that Lebron isn't the best player on the team. AD is a weapon, but Lebron is who makes the whole thing tick. The Lakers often look somewhat listless when Lebron is out, but they generally still look very good when AD is out. This is largely about role - Lebron is the architect, AD is the finisher - but if you had to bet on the Lakers surviving an injury to one of them, you'd definitely bet on them having greater success with Lebron vs. AD, as great as Davis is.

Now, I'm not sure that makes Lebron AD over Giannis, but it also doesn't make sense to say that he's disqualified because AD had a great game.

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