MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] - voting reopened

[Vsauce12]

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Keep thinking Giannis and his 22.7 ppg on 4.2% below league average efficiency along with 5.5 apg to 4.2 topg was MVP quality play though! It's everybody's else's fault but him, got it. He deserves absolutely no blame for not being able to make weak side passes out of the double, being slow to kick the ball out after drawing the defense in the paint, missing point blank shots even when he didn't encounter the wall (because Toronto was able to get him out of rhythm), and not being able to act as a floor spacer for his teammates at any point because of his inability to reliably hit shots outside of the paint.

I can literally smell the haterade from here, that “objective” act really fell by the way side didn’t it? Mad that Giannis taking your boo thang lebrons place as the best player in the NBA? It’s okay, don’t cry

Yh man it was Giannis fault Bledose shot 17% from 3, Niko 19%, Brook 29% and Ilyasova 27%

Giannis shot 34% from 3 that series, he shot better from 3 than people who were supposed to space the floor him. Yet somehow in your hate filled analysis he didn’t have the ability to space the floor for his teammates.

And I know you’re a casual but there’s more to basketball than PPG and TS%. Giannis had the best DRTG in that series out of anyone in that series, with 102, next being Gasol with 103. He defended at insanely high level. Hence why the games were so close despite the Bucks offence struggling, even in the video that you posted it literally says the Bucks outscored the raptors when Giannis was on the court

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2019-nba-eastern-conference-finals-raptors-vs-bucks.html

Quit your agenda, you’re making yourself look bad

[Barnzy]

The Rockets are now equal 5th in the West and don't look very good. I don't see them finishing higher than 4th in the West.

If they're not a top 3 seed I don't think Harden should be in any MVP conversations.

[toodles23]

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Keep thinking Giannis and his 22.7 ppg on 4.2% below league average efficiency along with 5.5 apg to 4.2 topg was MVP quality play though! It's everybody's else's fault but him, got it. He deserves absolutely no blame for not being able to make weak side passes out of the double, being slow to kick the ball out after drawing the defense in the paint, missing point blank shots even when he didn't encounter the wall (because Toronto was able to get him out of rhythm), and not being able to act as a floor spacer for his teammates at any point because of his inability to reliably hit shots outside of the paint.

I can literally smell the haterade from here, that “objective” act really fell by the way side didn’t it? Mad that Giannis taking your boo thang lebrons place as the best player in the NBA? It’s okay, don’t cry

Yh man it was Giannis fault Bledose shot 17% from 3, Niko 19%, Brook 29% and Ilyasova 27%

Giannis shot 34% from 3 that series, he shot better from 3 than people who were supposed to space the floor him. Yet somehow in your hate filled analysis he didn’t have the ability to space the floor for his teammates.

And I know you’re a casual but there’s more to basketball than PPG and TS%. Giannis had the best DRTG in that series out of anyone in that series, with 102, next being Gasol with 103. He defended at insanely high level. Hence why the games were so close despite the Bucks offence struggling, even in the video that you posted it literally says the Bucks outscored the raptors when Giannis was on the court

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2019-nba-eastern-conference-finals-raptors-vs-bucks.html

Quit your agenda, you’re making yourself look bad

Lmao, the irony of this kid calling somebody else a casual

[Vsauce12]

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Keep thinking Giannis and his 22.7 ppg on 4.2% below league average efficiency along with 5.5 apg to 4.2 topg was MVP quality play though! It's everybody's else's fault but him, got it. He deserves absolutely no blame for not being able to make weak side passes out of the double, being slow to kick the ball out after drawing the defense in the paint, missing point blank shots even when he didn't encounter the wall (because Toronto was able to get him out of rhythm), and not being able to act as a floor spacer for his teammates at any point because of his inability to reliably hit shots outside of the paint.

I can literally smell the haterade from here, that “objective” act really fell by the way side didn’t it? Mad that Giannis taking your boo thang lebrons place as the best player in the NBA? It’s okay, don’t cry

Yh man it was Giannis fault Bledose shot 17% from 3, Niko 19%, Brook 29% and Ilyasova 27%

Giannis shot 34% from 3 that series, he shot better from 3 than people who were supposed to space the floor him. Yet somehow in your hate filled analysis he didn’t have the ability to space the floor for his teammates.

And I know you’re a casual but there’s more to basketball than PPG and TS%. Giannis had the best DRTG in that series out of anyone in that series, with 102, next being Gasol with 103. He defended at insanely high level. Hence why the games were so close despite the Bucks offence struggling, even in the video that you posted it literally says the Bucks outscored the raptors when Giannis was on the court

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2019-nba-eastern-conference-finals-raptors-vs-bucks.html

Quit your agenda, you’re making yourself look bad

Lmao, the irony of this kid calling somebody else a casual

[LikeABosh]

Harden keeps losing. Giannis keeps winning

Nothing new to talk about today

[Vsauce12]

Giannis would be making a case for unanimous MVP if he could make his fts, legit don’t understand how he got this bad. From peak 78% ft shooter 58% now, like wtf

[Perseus1966]

Heads to heads in 10 days if giannis manage to win both then mail the mvp at fiserv forum

[Dupp]

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Keep thinking Giannis and his 22.7 ppg on 4.2% below league average efficiency along with 5.5 apg to 4.2 topg was MVP quality play though! It's everybody's else's fault but him, got it. He deserves absolutely no blame for not being able to make weak side passes out of the double, being slow to kick the ball out after drawing the defense in the paint, missing point blank shots even when he didn't encounter the wall (because Toronto was able to get him out of rhythm), and not being able to act as a floor spacer for his teammates at any point because of his inability to reliably hit shots outside of the paint.

I can literally smell the haterade from here, that “objective” act really fell by the way side didn’t it? Mad that Giannis taking your boo thang lebrons place as the best player in the NBA? It’s okay, don’t cry

Yh man it was Giannis fault Bledose shot 17% from 3, Niko 19%, Brook 29% and Ilyasova 27%

Giannis shot 34% from 3 that series, he shot better from 3 than people who were supposed to space the floor him. Yet somehow in your hate filled analysis he didn’t have the ability to space the floor for his teammates.

And I know you’re a casual but there’s more to basketball than PPG and TS%. Giannis had the best DRTG in that series out of anyone in that series, with 102, next being Gasol with 103. He defended at insanely high level. Hence why the games were so close despite the Bucks offence struggling, even in the video that you posted it literally says the Bucks outscored the raptors when Giannis was on the court

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2019-nba-eastern-conference-finals-raptors-vs-bucks.html

Quit your agenda, you’re making yourself look bad

Lmao, the irony of this kid calling somebody else a casual

So much irony and baby talk in one post.

[DutchManDanFan]

This is not the ‘best player’ award. Somehow this is confusing for some posters every year.
For MVP you have to be most valuable of your team. All voters should make a choise between AD and LeBron. If they do, AD and LeBron can’t win if one of them is not clearly more valuable than the other. If most voters vote for both, then they have a chance.

At this moment there are 5 candidates. If it stays like this I can’t see voters vote for LeBron and AD in their top 3. But if Luka/Dallas falls down and Harden can’t get Houston in the top 3, the chances for LeBron or AD rise.

For now it’s Giannis. And it’s not close because the other 4 are too close. If you vote for the top 3 you have to vote for Giannis. If you don’t then you just try to sabotage the outcome of the voting.

[DutchManDanFan]

And the ‘without ... the team sucks’ narrative is stupid.
Without Giannis the Bucks would not have Bud as coach, not traded for Bledsoe and Hill (and Mirotic) and not signed Brook, Matthews, Ily, Korver and Robin. In fact having all these players is a part of how valuable Giannis is.

[WHITE_HOT_HEAT]

Harden goes further down with and he actually has no shot IMO. It's a bit unfair, but that's just how it is. The perception also matters.

[WHITE_HOT_HEAT]

This gif perfectly demonstrates what i was talking about and how Raptors were triple teaming them and Giannis having 31 potential assists from wide open 3s alone.

The Raptors took advantage of our terrible shooting and focused majority of their defense on Giannis an it worked, they defense was insanely good like ive said

That's not a triple team. Sheesh. Just crowding the paint.
It's ok that he didn't have a great series against a very veteran and experienced team. He has this year and a few other to make up for it till fans and talking heads start calling him a choker. I hope he wins a title for the Bucks sometime in the future.

[Colbinii]

And the ‘without ... the team sucks’ narrative is stupid.
Without Giannis the Bucks would not have Bud as coach, not traded for Bledsoe and Hill (and Mirotic) and not signed Brook, Matthews, Ily, Korver and Robin. In fact having all these players is a part of how valuable Giannis is.

And Lakers don't have Green or Davis without LeBron.

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[GusT15]

This gif perfectly demonstrates what i was talking about and how Raptors were triple teaming them and Giannis having 31 potential assists from wide open 3s alone.

The Raptors took advantage of our terrible shooting and focused majority of their defense on Giannis an it worked, they defense was insanely good like ive said

That's not a triple team. Sheesh. Just crowding the paint.
It's ok that he didn't have a great series against a very veteran and experienced team. He has this year and a few other to make up for it till fans and talking heads start calling him a choker. I hope he wins a title for the Bucks sometime in the future.

That doesn't look like a triple team cause Giannis was driving from the wing and not the Free Throw Line.
The Wall Defense resembles and operates as a triple team to frontal attacks at the FT line.

It is however a prime example of three things:
-The "Shaq-like" player gravity that has 4 players collapsing towards the paint even from a wing drive position.
-The committed and fluid Raptor defense that recovers well even in this case.
-The stupidity of playoff Bledsoe.
There are 12 secs on the clock Eric.You have Middleton on your right and Lopez set for a corner 3 with an extra step pass-yet you take the worst shot possible,down 3,with 90 secs left,on game 5 of the ECF,tied at 2-2...

[greekbuck34]

This gif perfectly demonstrates what i was talking about and how Raptors were triple teaming them and Giannis having 31 potential assists from wide open 3s alone.

The Raptors took advantage of our terrible shooting and focused majority of their defense on Giannis an it worked, they defense was insanely good like ive said

That's not a triple team. Sheesh. Just crowding the paint.
It's ok that he didn't have a great series against a very veteran and experienced team. He has this year and a few other to make up for it till fans and talking heads start calling him a choker. I hope he wins a title for the Bucks sometime in the future.

Crowd = team

If Giannis holds for a second there all those 3 guys(Siakam, Gasol and Kawhi) who left their man wide open will surround Giannis making the pass even more difficult and maybe force Giannis in a turnover. We had those wide open 3s the whole series but we couldn't hit them for 3 games in a row while FVV was shooting like prime Steph Curry.

When you double and triple team a superstar like that you make a huge gamble in todays league of 3p shooters.
If you win it's easy to point fingers on the superstar who was struggling.
If you lose because the other team made their wide open shots you look confused on how it's even possible when you "shut down" their star like in the Rockets vs Raptors game from a few days ago.

[WHITE_HOT_HEAT]

This gif perfectly demonstrates what i was talking about and how Raptors were triple teaming them and Giannis having 31 potential assists from wide open 3s alone.

The Raptors took advantage of our terrible shooting and focused majority of their defense on Giannis an it worked, they defense was insanely good like ive said

That's not a triple team. Sheesh. Just crowding the paint.
It's ok that he didn't have a great series against a very veteran and experienced team. He has this year and a few other to make up for it till fans and talking heads start calling him a choker. I hope he wins a title for the Bucks sometime in the future.

That doesn't look like a triple team cause Giannis was driving from the wing and not the Free Throw Line.
The Wall Defense resembles and operates as a triple team to frontal attacks at the FT line.

It is however a prime example of three things:
-The "Shaq-like" player gravity that has 4 players collapsing towards the paint even from a wing drive position.
-The committed and fluid Raptor defense that recovers well even in this case.
-[b]The stupidity of playoff Bledsoe.
There are 12 secs on the clock Eric.You have Middleton on your right and Lopez set for a corner 3 with an extra step pass-yet you take the worst shot possible,down 3,with 90 secs left,on game 5 of the ECF,tied at 2-2...[/b]

This I agree with.

[Vsauce12]

Lol @ not a triple team, the whole entire raptors defence collapsed on one person, leaving everyone else open. Giannis made the pass, problem was he made the pass to Bledose

In today’s heavy 3 point shooting league, what the raptors did was essentially just gamble defence. Trap the superstar and hope the role players don’t make their shots when he passes out. The role players don’t make their shot, you get praised for how great your D is, they do make their shots you get crucified for over helping.

The Celtics did exact same thing the raptors did, only difference was the Bucks shooters actually shot the 3 very well in that series.

[mademan]

Lol @ not a triple team, the whole entire raptors defence collapsed on one person, leaving everyone else open. Giannis made the pass, problem was he made the pass to Bledose

In today’s heavy 3 point shooting league, what the raptors did was essentially just gamble defence. Trap the superstar and hope the role players don’t make their shots when he passes out. The role players don’t make their shot, you get praised for how great your D is, they do make their shots you get crucified for over helping.

The Celtics did exact same thing the raptors did, only difference was the Bucks shooters actually shot the 3 very well in that series.

Ya, you really only gotta go back to last week against the Rockets where the Raps sold out against Harden and tried to make everyone else beat them. Rockets shooters hit shots and made the Raps look silly. If they miss, raps defense looks great

[mademan]

if the Lakers win the title with their current dynamic, i wonder who would get FMVP. AD clearly has a (big) edge in box score stats while Lebron has an equally big edge in impact stats and clearly makes the team go (at least on offense).

[Ron Swanson]

Just goes to show you how too many people still lap up these spoon-fed casual media narratives that manifest through confirmation bias. Guy literally gets triple-teamed by two former DPOTY's plus Siakam = "omg EXPOSED in the playoffs", "Kawhi locked him down". The irony of all this crap is that this is the kind of mind-numbingly simplistic criticism that every all-time great had to go through before they won their first championship. It'll all look exactly as stupid in hindsight as it actually is when he eventually wins a couple more MVP's and a ring.