Bucks News, Trades, Transactions - CP3/Gallo trade idea pg.81

[Balls2TheWalls]

With Sterling I do wonder how prolonged stretches of DNPCDs in his contract year weigh on him. Still hasn’t made any money, has proven himself relatively capable when called to step in. Does he look better/earn more being an 11th guy for a great team than the 7th man for something less? Whatever happens I’m confident he won’t pull a Thon & go public. NBA players want to play though.

I'm not sure that you can just scrap heap a guy that shoots 39% from three and is an elite perimeter defender. I think that he will definitely have suitors for his wares when his contract comes up.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

With Sterling I do wonder how prolonged stretches of DNPCDs in his contract year weigh on him. Still hasn’t made any money, has proven himself relatively capable when called to step in. Does he look better/earn more being an 11th guy for a great team than the 7th man for something less? Whatever happens I’m confident he won’t pull a Thon & go public. NBA players want to play though.

all it takes is for one guy to get dinged or sat out and hes back to playing 15-20 minutes a game. I think the way bud uses the bench his time will come. as has been stated if he becomes unhappy maybe we move him but on our time and only if a suitable replacement comes around.

next year wes, pc, brown, and Korver are all up I think it would be bad management to dump any of them now before we see how that all plays out in FA. teams are going to have more money then players available and brown is the only one of those 4 we will control.

[raferfenix]

Would rather keep Sterling around for what I see as the inevitable wing depth departures. Can't see Korver or Pat on this roster next season along with possibly Wes depending on finances. Sterling is the only guy from that group who you can cost control and you need those kind of players to supplement a relatively old roster outside of your core guys.

I'm forgetting the details but think we had a poster in a skybox with Peter Feigin talking about how much of a fan he is of Pat. Does anyone remember those details?

Either way I wouldn't be surprised if we would bring him back on one of the exceptions if he'd accept a similarly modest deal like his last one.

Sterling seems more likely to get a bigger offer from another team that thinks he might have another level of potential, if only since he's a few years younger

[DingleJerry]

Being Brown is an RFA I certainly would prefer to keep him around and find a way to work out a cheap fair contract with him. Not sure if they're allowed to do that now though. With Pat and DDV so similar I'd assume Pat is gone next year. Korver is 90 years old. Wes is aging too. So if you trade Brown, next thing you know your wing depth is depleted. At the very least your young depth is gone. At that point you're just hoping your next draft pick can turn into someone like him or better, easier just to keep him.

I'd guess an important factor in this is Brown's attitude. Does he prefer to get somewhere with more mins to prove himself for a pay day or would he prefer to stay here and play for a title. As said, one injury happens and he's a key contributor again. To a degree you try to do right by him and what he'd prefer.

[Balls2TheWalls]

Being Brown is an RFA I certainly would prefer to keep him around and find a way to work out a cheap fair contract with him. Not sure if they're allowed to do that now though. With Pat and DDV so similar I'd assume Pat is gone next year. Korver is 90 years old. Wes is aging too. So if you trade Brown, next thing you know your wing depth is depleted. At the very least your young depth is gone. At that point you're just hoping your next draft pick can turn into someone like him or better, easier just to keep him.

I'd guess an important factor in this is Brown's attitude. Does he prefer to get somewhere with more mins to prove himself for a pay day or would he prefer to stay here and play for a title. As said, one injury happens and he's a key contributor again. To a degree you try to do right by him and what he'd prefer.

Yeah, there is no chance that Pat is going to play for another 1.7M/yr contact. We could lose Pat, Korver, and Wes could opt out.

[soxperry]

Being Brown is an RFA I certainly would prefer to keep him around and find a way to work out a cheap fair contract with him. Not sure if they're allowed to do that now though. With Pat and DDV so similar I'd assume Pat is gone next year. Korver is 90 years old. Wes is aging too. So if you trade Brown, next thing you know your wing depth is depleted. At the very least your young depth is gone. At that point you're just hoping your next draft pick can turn into someone like him or better, easier just to keep him.

I'd guess an important factor in this is Brown's attitude. Does he prefer to get somewhere with more mins to prove himself for a pay day or would he prefer to stay here and play for a title. As said, one injury happens and he's a key contributor again. To a degree you try to do right by him and what he'd prefer.

Yeah, there is no chance that Pat is going to play for another 1.7M/yr contact. We could lose Pat, Korver, and Wes could opt out.

Im not really worried about it.

Korver may retire anyway, and everyone in the universe understands that Pat and Wes are the best forms of their current selves on this bucks team. So in the unlikely event that one or both of them gets an offer for what they perceive to be better for them, I'm sure there will be plenty of guys ready to join the Bucks and fill those roles

[leroyjw10]

Would rather keep Sterling around for what I see as the inevitable wing depth departures. Can't see Korver or Pat on this roster next season along with possibly Wes depending on finances. Sterling is the only guy from that group who you can cost control and you need those kind of players to supplement a relatively old roster outside of your core guys.

I like Sterling as much as anyone, but I'd be more than fine including him in a package for an upgrade elsewhere on the roster (e.g. Bledsoe, Ersan and Sterling for Jrue Holiday). He just doesn't seem meant to be a Buck. Whenever he starts getting momentum, he gets injured and pushed back to the end of the bench (like what's happening right now).

[DingleJerry]

Adding to the conversation that Sterlings size/strength combo on the wing could be very useful or needed vs either LA team with Kawhi, PG13, LBJ. Probably a bit better in that regard than some of the other wing guys.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

brown is our longterm replacement for wes. giving more minutes to ddv is our longterm replacement for pc. I get we probably start ddv in wes spot longterm but we still need a bigger body more physical guy then pat/ddv in the rotation once wes jets.

then we use the indy picks for fresh blood on the wing as well.

last night we finished with Bledsoe and hill out there together. as ddv gets more minutes hes just going to squeeze pat right off the court imo. pat is ddv lite more or less. I love what weve got this year but next year i see a whole lot bigger and brighter future for brown. we need to sell him on staying positive and that its hard to get minutes on any dynasty tyoe team when youre on your first contract

[Bucksfan28]

I think Wes either sticks around for cheap after this contract or hangs em up. Assuming he isnt traded of course.

[Brewhoopfan]

I have no doubt all of our wings - Pat, DDV, Sterling, Korver, and Wes - would play bigger roles on different teams. I have to believe Wes and Kyle understood the deal when he signed, and just wanted to be a part of something special. This is easy to say when your career earnings are close to or north of nine figures. Someone will get injured and Sterling will play more, or Bud will just randomly play him 20+ minutes. We've seen this before. For the young guys wanting to get paid - just win a championship and teams will be lined up waiting to overpay.

I credit Horst and Bud to getting good fits for the system and around Giannis. What's more impressive is it only took a year. The key to longevity will be continuing to do so on the cheap. Assuming Giannis signs (and he will ), don't fall in love with the role players. All of these guys are replaceable.

[emunney]

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[LuessiT]

With Sterling I do wonder how prolonged stretches of DNPCDs in his contract year weigh on him. Still hasn’t made any money, has proven himself relatively capable when called to step in. Does he look better/earn more being an 11th guy for a great team than the 7th man for something less? Whatever happens I’m confident he won’t pull a Thon & go public. NBA players want to play though.

I'm not sure that you can just scrap heap a guy that shoots 39% from three and is an elite perimeter defender. I think that he will definitely have suitors for his wares when his contract comes up.

Are you even reading what you're saying? If Sterling was an elite perimeter defender he'd be a starter and wouldn't collect DNPCDs. Sterling is a dog on defense and especially on the boards but more often than not he's not that effective.

[LuessiT]

brown is our longterm replacement for wes. giving more minutes to ddv is our longterm replacement for pc. I get we probably start ddv in wes spot longterm but we still need a bigger body more physical guy then pat/ddv in the rotation once wes jets.

then we use the indy picks for fresh blood on the wing as well.

last night we finished with Bledsoe and hill out there together. as ddv gets more minutes hes just going to squeeze pat right off the court imo. pat is ddv lite more or less. I love what weve got this year but next year i see a whole lot bigger and brighter future for brown. we need to sell him on staying positive and that its hard to get minutes on any dynasty tyoe team when youre on your first contract

I'm pretty sure Brown has no future here. He needs to be playing way above replacement level player while not getting offers in RFA to stay long term. The most likely 'replacement' for Wes is someone who will ring chase on a minimum contract.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

brown is our longterm replacement for wes. giving more minutes to ddv is our longterm replacement for pc. I get we probably start ddv in wes spot longterm but we still need a bigger body more physical guy then pat/ddv in the rotation once wes jets.

then we use the indy picks for fresh blood on the wing as well.

last night we finished with Bledsoe and hill out there together. as ddv gets more minutes hes just going to squeeze pat right off the court imo. pat is ddv lite more or less. I love what weve got this year but next year i see a whole lot bigger and brighter future for brown. we need to sell him on staying positive and that its hard to get minutes on any dynasty tyoe team when youre on your first contract

I'm pretty sure Brown has no future here. He needs to be playing way above replacement level player while not getting offers in RFA to stay long term. The most likely 'replacement' for Wes is someone who will ring chase on a minimum contract.

I think we got lucky with wes in that role. I wouldn't want to gamble year in and year out with that type of player.

im not in love with brown and completely agree with your take on him im just not ready to give up on his sorting it out. so if not brown perhaps it would be found with that indy pick in the draft or using it in trade predraft for a move to fill that slot.

main point being ring chasers should be insurance not the plan imo. brown, altho not perfect.... checks a lot of boxes chemistry wise and style being the main ones. just needs to sort his energy into a more productive version. his splits have been outstanding this year …. defensive rating 94.5 in 220 minutes this year we can watch and see if that becomes more than a trend.

[raferfenix]

I think the Bucks could keep 2/3 of Wes / Pat / Sterling if we want to.

None of them seem so likely to break the bank.

Resigning all 3 might not make sense if only from a minutes allocation standpoint if Pat / Sterling are hoping to play more as their careers trend towards their peak ability.

[Balls2TheWalls]

With Sterling I do wonder how prolonged stretches of DNPCDs in his contract year weigh on him. Still hasn’t made any money, has proven himself relatively capable when called to step in. Does he look better/earn more being an 11th guy for a great team than the 7th man for something less? Whatever happens I’m confident he won’t pull a Thon & go public. NBA players want to play though.

I'm not sure that you can just scrap heap a guy that shoots 39% from three and is an elite perimeter defender. I think that he will definitely have suitors for his wares when his contract comes up.

Are you even reading what you're saying? If Sterling was an elite perimeter defender he'd be a starter and wouldn't collect DNPCDs. Sterling is a dog on defense and especially on the boards but more often than not he's not that effective.

He is an elite perimeter defender that is playing behind multiple elite perimeter defenders. As soon as those guys are gone, then he will see playing time. DDV and Wes are both playing defense at an elite level right now.

[slos]

Just wondering...

Milwaukee in Holiday
Milwaukee out Bledsoe, Ilyasova, RoLo, Indy picks

New Orleans in Winslow, Dragic, Indy picks
New Orleans out Holiday

Miami in Bledsoe, Ilyasova, RoLo
Miami out Winslow, Dragic

Bucks end up with a huge upgrade at PG at the cost of the Indy picks. Losing Ersan and RoLo sucks, but Milwaukee will have 4.2 mil and two empty spots to replace them in the buyout market. Henson would be a good pickup, if Cavs let him go.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

I wouldn't call brown an elite defender. hes more in pc's mold. pc looks just as effective as ddv to the casual eye but there is a big difference between them. same goes for wes and brown. metrics bear this out in a massive way.

it bears note that right now by almost any measure of any number brown should have pc's minutes. pc is the man that should be on the block if he wasn't such a great teammate I think it would have already happened.

[LuessiT]

I'm not sure that you can just scrap heap a guy that shoots 39% from three and is an elite perimeter defender. I think that he will definitely have suitors for his wares when his contract comes up.

Are you even reading what you're saying? If Sterling was an elite perimeter defender he'd be a starter and wouldn't collect DNPCDs. Sterling is a dog on defense and especially on the boards but more often than not he's not that effective.

He is an elite perimeter defender that is playing behind multiple elite perimeter defenders. As soon as those guys are gone, then he will see playing time. DDV and Wes are both playing defense at an elite level right now.

If he was an elite perimeter defender while shooting 39% from we'd have zero problems leveraging a lottery pick out of a bunch of suitors. He's not elite. Neither is Wes by the way.