Game 25: Los Angeles Clippers (17-7) @ Indiana Pacers (15-8) - 7:00 PM ET

[NippySudz]

I missed the 2nd half but it looks like we won pretty easily against a pretty good team at home

what did we piss and moan about tonight

nothing. As you can tell, this is still on the first page. I'm beginning to think a lot of people here don't watch the games unless its a marqee game. Which is fine. We're humans and we have busy lives.

I just find it funny when people have hot takes that are ignorant/baseless and try to carry on like they watch every game imaginable.

[Dynamix]

Doc just earned himself a one game extension. Toronto has cooled off lately, but you know they'll show up for Kawhi's big return. Hopefully we do the same. Speaking of which, Lou has been off for a while, after carrying us repeatedly in all those clutch wins. With so many missing guys, can't really afford one of our Four Horsemen to be struggling for long stretches. At least Bev stepped up a bit.

Not a big fan of cutting all of Mann's minutes after one bad showing. I missed tonight's game, but looking at the box score it seems DWJ and Jerome didn't exactly light it up in their combined 30 minutes. All three of them will barely see the floor after Sham and McG return, so give each of them some non-garbage minutes while we still can.

Oh, and one final thing. Could we please stop with all the Trez and Moe trade talk? They look like key pieces for our current run and each can bring great energy on both ends. No reason to mess with chemistry unless something goes horribly wrong.

[NippySudz]

Doc just earned himself a one game extension. Toronto has cooled off lately, but you know they'll show up for Kawhi's big return. Hopefully we do the same. Speaking of which, Lou has been off for a while, after carrying us repeatedly in all those clutch wins. With so many missing guys, can't really afford one of our Four Horsemen to be struggling for long stretches. At least Bev stepped up a bit.

Not a big fan of cutting all of Mann's minutes after one bad showing. I missed tonight's game, but looking at the box score it seems DWJ and Jerome didn't exactly light it up in their combined 30 minutes. All three of them will barely see the floor after Sham and McG return, so give each of them some non-garbage minutes while we still can.

Lol Nice to know you're the GM

all jokes aside, they played great tonight. You can't really look at the box score. Indy came back late and they managed the momentum well with younger guy playing mins. I don't think mann's mins are cut. I don't think they're set in stone. I think he'll get more mins against lesser opponent teams. He'll let the young guys eat a little bit if you will. This was a playoff team that's been good at home. 9-2 in their last 11 outings. I don't think doc wanted to give up this game, just so some rooks can get some burned and Walton Jr is solid. The box score doesn't show his hustle for the steal or small things he was doing .

PG was hot and from 3. Its funny how the game has changed. Just a few years ago, if you shot 10-26 from the field for 38%, that would be considered a bad game and inefficient, but he shot 7 threes which and had 9/11 ft's made. Which means he had a great game, true shooting percentage wise.

[NippySudz]

if you look at the game stats, largest lead was 24 pts tonight.

https://www.espn.com/nba/matchup?gameId=401160985

[Akklaim1]

Probably just recency bias but man it feels like Trez-Zu > Blake-DJ

[50CalClips]

The Clips are 2nd in the West.
How? Shouldn't they be 6th or something... seems like to me...

.720 win percentage... 59-win season (projected)...

[playaloc916]

Not a big fan of cutting all of Mann's minutes after one bad showing. I missed tonight's game, but looking at the box score it seems DWJ and Jerome didn't exactly light it up in their combined 30 minutes. All three of them will barely see the floor after Sham and McG return, so give each of them some non-garbage minutes while we still can.

I know it seems like Jerome's "increased" minutes might be to showcase him for a trade (similar to Avery Bradley), but jeez this guy is frustrating to watch at times. Just out of curiosity, I wanted to compare his stats against someone who was getting trashed on the GB, Cam Reddish, and low and behold, their stats are pretty even... And some posters are calling Cam Reddish the worst starter in the league... I don't know what team would want him based on his recent play. Even if he does improve with all those minutes, I don't think it will be by much. I'd rather give Mann his minutes... If both Jerome and Mann are going to play like crap, might as well see if Mann can at least develop with those minutes.

[esqtvd]

Not a big fan of cutting all of Mann's minutes after one bad showing. I missed tonight's game, but looking at the box score it seems DWJ and Jerome didn't exactly light it up in their combined 30 minutes. All three of them will barely see the floor after Sham and McG return, so give each of them some non-garbage minutes while we still can.

I know it seems like Jerome's "increased" minutes might be to showcase him for a trade (similar to Avery Bradley), but jeez this guy is frustrating to watch at times. Just out of curiosity, I wanted to compare his stats against someone who was getting trashed on the GB, Cam Reddish, and low and behold, their stats are pretty even... And some posters are calling Cam Reddish the worst starter in the league... I don't know what team would want him based on his recent play. Even if he does improve with all those minutes, I don't think it will be by much. I'd rather give Mann his minutes... If both Jerome and Mann are going to play like crap, might as well see if Mann can at least develop with those minutes.

If Jerome's plus/minus were as bad as Mann's, he wouldn't be getting these minutes. Over the last 10 games, Jerome's net rating is +7.6 and Mann's is minus-9.1. Even those who don't believe in these ratings have to admit a gap that big has to have SOME basis in reality.

https://stats.nba.com/players/advanced/?sort=NET_RATING&dir=-1&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&LastNGames=10&TeamID=1610612746


Jerome's humping on D and not missing any assignments. His shooting percentages are lousy, but he's not shooting much so it's really not hurting us. At the moment we need SOMEBODY until McGruder and Shamet get back, which will be very soon now. [Walton is at plus+5.0, BTW.]

[Young Sterling]

Probably just recency bias but man it feels like Trez-Zu > Blake-DJ

That's not recency bias my brudda, that is the truth.

[esqtvd]

Probably just recency bias but man it feels like Trez-Zu > Blake-DJ

That's not recency bias my brudda, that is the truth.

Trez-Zu [$12.5 M] > Blake-DJ [$41.3 M]

[NippySudz]

The Clips are 2nd in the West.
How? Shouldn't they be 6th or something... seems like to me...

.720 win percentage... 59-win season (projected)...

the fire doc group would have you believe that the clips are in six place and in danger of missing the playoffs.

[playaloc916]

If Jerome's plus/minus were as bad as Mann's, he wouldn't be getting these minutes. Over the last 10 games, Jerome's net rating is +7.6 and Mann's is minus-9.1. Even those who don't believe in these ratings have to admit a gap that big has to have SOME basis in reality.

https://stats.nba.com/players/advanced/?sort=NET_RATING&dir=-1&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&LastNGames=10&TeamID=1610612746


Jerome's humping on D and not missing any assignments. His shooting percentages are lousy, but he's not shooting much so it's really not hurting us. At the moment we need SOMEBODY until McGruder and Shamet get back, which will be very soon now. [Walton is at plus+5.0, BTW.]

Well, to be fair, that -18 in 10 minutes in the Washington game is really skewing that number (how the heck did that happen, lol). The other games he was somewhat decent for the most part. And Jerome gets more meaningful minutes with core players, while Mann is probably getting most of his minutes in garbage time. Either way, both of them aren't exactly strong assets right now, but seeing as how the team is lacking playmaking much more than defense, I think it wouldn't hurt to give Mann a little more run.

[esqtvd]

If Jerome's plus/minus were as bad as Mann's, he wouldn't be getting these minutes. Over the last 10 games, Jerome's net rating is +7.6 and Mann's is minus-9.1. Even those who don't believe in these ratings have to admit a gap that big has to have SOME basis in reality.

https://stats.nba.com/players/advanced/?sort=NET_RATING&dir=-1&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&LastNGames=10&TeamID=1610612746


Jerome's humping on D and not missing any assignments. His shooting percentages are lousy, but he's not shooting much so it's really not hurting us. At the moment we need SOMEBODY until McGruder and Shamet get back, which will be very soon now. [Walton is at plus+5.0, BTW.]

Well, to be fair, that -18 in 10 minutes in the Washington game is really skewing that number (how the heck did that happen, lol). The other games he was somewhat decent for the most part. And Jerome gets more meaningful minutes with core players, while Mann is probably getting most of his minutes in garbage time. Either way, both of them aren't exactly strong assets right now, but seeing as how the team is lacking playmaking much more than defense, I think it wouldn't hurt to give Mann a little more run.

Interesting you should bring up the Wizards game because I was watching the plus/minus particularly that game, particularly the second unit. Doc kept giving Mann another chance, and he kept doing his best to lose us the game. One stint of that minus-18 was following his opening minus-10 with a minus-6 in ONE MINUTE!

Doc yanked him, and order was restored. Jerome was left in. Coming back from missing a few games, JaMychal had been tried earlier, but after a minus-7 in only 4 minutes, was not ready to contribute either. We needed minutes, and got them from Jerome and then Walton.


Playa--I actually started writing a post agreeing with the prevailing sentiment, that I'm sick of looking at Brick Factory Robinson, and that with his tremendous upside, would much rather see T-Mann get the minutes. But as I poked through the stats looking for support, I found the exact opposite, and deleted most of what I'd just spent 20 minutes writing, LOL.


Despite his bad shooting, Jerome is D-ing up bigtime and earning his minutes. He's been helping us win in the absence of Shamet and McGruder even though it's ugly as hell. And Mann has been much worse than he looks.

Eye tests often lie. The scoreboard does not.

[esqtvd]

The Clips are 2nd in the West.
How? Shouldn't they be 6th or something... seems like to me...

.720 win percentage... 59-win season (projected)...

the fire doc group would have you believe that the clips are in six place and in danger of missing the playoffs.

Dunno what they want except for the Clips to lose so they can say they were right and Doc sucks? Otherwise they usually don't have the guts to come around here lately.

Never fear. We go on a 3-game losing streak and they'll be back.



It's psychological, it's vanity. Nothing to do with basketball because they actually don't know anything about basketball, they wouldn't know an X from an O. They're wrong time after time after time about the basketball but that never discourages them.

They just come around to discourage everybody else. They ruined the last board I was on.


I know we're not supposed to "attack" posters personally, but when some people just come around here to sh*t on the lawn...

[playaloc916]

If Jerome's plus/minus were as bad as Mann's, he wouldn't be getting these minutes. Over the last 10 games, Jerome's net rating is +7.6 and Mann's is minus-9.1. Even those who don't believe in these ratings have to admit a gap that big has to have SOME basis in reality.

https://stats.nba.com/players/advanced/?sort=NET_RATING&dir=-1&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&LastNGames=10&TeamID=1610612746


Jerome's humping on D and not missing any assignments. His shooting percentages are lousy, but he's not shooting much so it's really not hurting us. At the moment we need SOMEBODY until McGruder and Shamet get back, which will be very soon now. [Walton is at plus+5.0, BTW.]

Well, to be fair, that -18 in 10 minutes in the Washington game is really skewing that number (how the heck did that happen, lol). The other games he was somewhat decent for the most part. And Jerome gets more meaningful minutes with core players, while Mann is probably getting most of his minutes in garbage time. Either way, both of them aren't exactly strong assets right now, but seeing as how the team is lacking playmaking much more than defense, I think it wouldn't hurt to give Mann a little more run.

Interesting you should bring up the Wizards game because I was watching the plus/minus particularly that game, particularly the second unit. Doc kept giving Mann another chance, and he kept doing his best to lose us the game. One stint of that minus-18 was following his opening minus-10 with a minus-6 in ONE MINUTE!

Doc yanked him, and order was restored. Jerome was left in. Coming back from missing a few games, JaMychal had been tried earlier, but after a minus-7 in only 4 minutes, was not ready to contribute either. We needed minutes, and got them from Jerome and then Walton.


Playa--I actually started writing a post agreeing with the prevailing sentiment, that I'm sick of looking at Brick Factory Robinson, and that with his tremendous upside, would much rather see T-Mann get the minutes. But as I poked through the stats looking for support, I found the exact opposite, and deleted most of what I'd just spent 20 minutes writing, LOL.


Despite his bad shooting, Jerome is D-ing up bigtime and earning his minutes. He's been helping us win in the absence of Shamet and McGruder even though it's ugly as hell. And Mann has been much worse than he looks.

Eye tests often lie. The scoreboard does not.

Must be Ian Mahinmi's +18 that caused Mann's -18 Mahinmi is now offically the Mann-Stopper

And welcome to the club about deleting stuff... I've ended up deleting posts entirely after spending half an hour on them, lol.

No disagreement here on Jerome's "Sasha Vujacic" type defense. If he wasn't shooting so horribly, you could argue that the gap between him and Shamet isn't really that big. Hopefully that day will come...

[50CalClips]

The Clips are 2nd in the West.
How? Shouldn't they be 6th or something... seems like to me...

.720 win percentage... 59-win season (projected)...

the fire doc group would have you believe that the clips are in six place and in danger of missing the playoffs.

Dunno what they want except for the Clips to lose so they can say they were right and Doc sucks? Otherwise they usually don't have the guts to come around here lately.

Never fear. We go on a 3-game losing streak and they'll be back.

It's psychological, it's vanity. Nothing to do with basketball because they actually don't know anything about basketball, they wouldn't know an X from an O. They're wrong time after time after time about the basketball but that never discourages them.

They just come around to discourage everybody else. They ruined the last board I was on.

I know we're not supposed to "attack" posters personally, but when some people just come around here to sh*t on the lawn...

The Coaches do need a fire lite under their a$$, though.
There's been some bullsh%ttery that can only mostly be attributed to Coaching (even in wins).

[esqtvd]

The Coaches do need a fire lite under their a$$, though.

There's been some bullsh%ttery that can only mostly be attributed to Coaching (even in wins).

Coaches have to use the whip VERY sparingly in the 21st century. I think Kawhi in particular is exuding the message not to panic, that things will come together without forcing it. We have to negotiate December's schedule and injuries, and won't really sort out what we have and what we need until Shamet's back up to speed.

We're not showing our playoff defense yet, either in effort or scheme. For example, come April, Kawhi is gonna be joined at the hip with guys like Giannis, but for the moment, we're letting him cruise on the defensive end a bit, and are having others do the heavy lifting.

I can't really point fingers at any of the players individually. You want Robinson to shoot better, Lou's slumping, Harkless's net rating is surprisingly poor, but I don't know how coaching fixes that. You just let them keep doing what they're doing, hope they come around, and keep racking up as many W's as you can.

Yes, our 3rd quarters have been our Achilles heel, but if we're down, then Kawhi busts ass in the 4th with playoff-level intensity. But not unless and until he needs to. He's pacing himself, and with 2 rings, you gotta trust he knows what he's doing. And across town, I don't think playing LeBron 34 mpg at age 35 is all that smart either.

Frankly, I don't think we're even as good as our record and think the coaching has been pretty inspired, getting the most out of what we have. Like a lot of people here, right now I'm worried about Lou and hope we can lighten his load right quick as Shamet and McGruder make it back.