Miami Heat Regular Season Thread - Part 1 - Can You Feel It?

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[batterybro42]

We don’t need to make a move whatsoever unless it’s dumping Dion or JJ. Let this team continue to build. Huge thing about Drob is we have him on a team option for 2020-2021 we will retain his bird rights going into that offseason and be able to resign him easily over the cap.

You’re selling Giannis a young core of

Herro
Bam
Drob
Nunn
Winslow

Paired with a fiery vet in Jimmy Butler, along with additional cap space to add another sizeable piece along with whatever rotational pieces we can carve out over the next two years.

Herro and Bam to me would be untouchable, I would be open to exploring what a package of DJJ, Nunn, Winslow, and a filler could net us back, but that’s about it. Anything short of a generational talent being added is a no for me dawg. We got a pretty complete team the only thing we are really lacking is another franchise defining piece. We don’t need to blow up the core to get that, we just have to be patient. The long term prospects of our situation are likely better than any team in the league right now

[puppa bear]

We don’t need to make a move whatsoever unless it’s dumping Dion or JJ. Let this team continue to build. Huge thing about Drob is we have him on a team option for 2020-2021 we will retain his bird rights going into that offseason and be able to resign him easily over the cap.

You’re selling Giannis a young core of

Herro
Bam
Drob
Nunn
Winslow

Paired with a fiery vet in Jimmy Butler, along with additional cap space to add another sizeable piece along with whatever rotational pieces we can carve out over the next two years.

Herro and Bam to me would be untouchable, I would be open to exploring what a package of DJJ, Nunn, Winslow, and a filler could net us back, but that’s about it. Anything short of a generational talent being added is a no for me dawg. We got a pretty complete team the only thing we are really lacking is another franchise defining piece. We don’t need to blow up the core to get that, we just have to be patient. The long term prospects of our situation are likely better than any team in the league right now

It’s very possible Silva & KZ form part of a bench mob as well. Then we have our 2020 pick, which is another chance to find an upperclassman gem as another roleplayer. Future is bright and we must look enticing to a star wanting to be surrounded with the right pieces.

[Mos_Heat]

I need gom's cap breakdown for 21/22 free agency. By my calculations, Miami will have around 37 millions in space(that's with Bam's, Nunn's, Robinson's cap holds + future 1st pick's cap hold + Herro's guaranteed salary), but without cap holds for empty roster spots.

Butler - 36
Winslow - 13
Herro - 4
KZ - 1.8
Anderson - 5.2
Bam - 12.8
Nunn - 2.1
Robinson 2.1
2020 1st round pick ~ 2

Total 79 millions
Projected cap 116 millions

[MettaWorldPanda]

Let's take a peek at our depth chart again and see how the pieces fit

C Meyers Leonard C Kelly Olynyk C Udonis Haslem
PF Bam Adebayo PF Chris Silva PF James Johnson
SF Duncan Robinson (SF/PF) Justise Winslow SF Derrick Jones Jr SF KZ Okpala
SG/SF Jimmy Butler SG Tyler Herro SG Dion Waiters
PG Kendrick Nunn PG Goran Dragic PG Justise Winslow

With the lineup fully intact and healthy we are looking at having Winslow come off the bench at backup PF. DJJ casted off as third on the depth chart. We are dealing with a serious tight squeeze here. When Herro enters the game that's when Butler slides over to the 3. If we can add a Kevin Love or LaMarcus Aldridge to the front court this team is going to be primed for a serious run. In a perfect world for those who want to keep Winslow around we are going to have to see if San Antonio is more interested in shedding salary and taking back let's say Dragic and Olynyk in any deal involving LMA. Dealing Dragic would allow Winslow to assume the backup PG/swiss army role off the bench. It would be a tough blow dealing Dragic because he's been so endearing to this team but the greater need right now is solidifying that front court.

A dollar for dollar trade could look something like this

Miami trades

C Kelly Olynyk
PG Goran Dragic

to San Antonio for

C/PF LaMarcus Aldridge
SG Marco Belinelli

Why does it make sense for the Spurs? They have a void at Center right now and they have always been fond of having three point shooting coming from that spot. KO brings back that dynamic for them. He also makes 14 million less then LMA and is much younger at 28. Dragic brings them back a big expiring contract that they can dangle around for assets.

[Bishop45]

Don't want Lamar, especially if we lose a ballhandler to get him

For JJ/DJJ/Olynyk, yea', I guess

[BFRESH44]

We don’t need to make a move whatsoever unless it’s dumping Dion or JJ. Let this team continue to build. Huge thing about Drob is we have him on a team option for 2020-2021 we will retain his bird rights going into that offseason and be able to resign him easily over the cap.

You’re selling Giannis a young core of

Herro
Bam
Drob
Nunn
Winslow

Paired with a fiery vet in Jimmy Butler, along with additional cap space to add another sizeable piece along with whatever rotational pieces we can carve out over the next two years.

Herro and Bam to me would be untouchable, I would be open to exploring what a package of DJJ, Nunn, Winslow, and a filler could net us back, but that’s about it. Anything short of a generational talent being added is a no for me dawg. We got a pretty complete team the only thing we are really lacking is another franchise defining piece. We don’t need to blow up the core to get that, we just have to be patient. The long term prospects of our situation are likely better than any team in the league right now

This is where I'm at. We're at the point where we don't need to reach at all.

[Bishop45]

Big ups and facts right here. I don't share the same chagrins as Nekias does, as he's a media face with need to save face, but I was just as wrong. Wrong, but not sorry

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[AirP.]

Once again, 2021 Butler will be 32 which is a year younger in age when D.Wade's efficiency dropped dramatically. I really don't know how much value Butler being on a max at that age will be which is something a top tier free agent will look at. I think Butler will age well because of his game is built on effort, but an early/mid 30s max guy may not be as attractive as you think to a top tier free agent. You'd be selling joining Butler and the young guys like a Toronto could have sold a FA to come there to play next to Lowry the last 2 years, they made the trade to get that star.

Butler's window of being "this good" is a pretty small window. We just saw the 76ers take the eventual champs to 7 games and lose on a last second shot with Embiid missing a game from that series and also being under the weather multiple games in that series. Butler plus a very good defense gives a team a chance to win any series and Bam is the main reason why this defense could be good enough with Butler, but this team needs another consistent scorer with at least league average efficiency which would be around 55-56% TS%.

Miami doesn't need a top tier scorer to go with Butler, a solid 17-22 ppg guy would help this team greatly. When Nunn is good he's filling that role but as we can see he's usually only good against bad teams/games that shouldn't be that competitive.

[batterybro42]

Once again, 2021 Butler will be 32 which is a year younger in age when D.Wade's efficiency dropped dramatically. I really don't know how much value Butler being on a max at that age will be which is something a top tier free agent will look at. I think Butler will age well because of his game is built on effort, but an early/mid 30s max guy may not be as attractive as you think to a top tier free agent. You'd be selling joining Butler and the young guys like a Toronto could have sold a FA to come there to play next to Lowry the last 2 years, they made the trade to get that star.

Butler's window of being "this good" is a pretty small window. We just saw the 76ers take the eventual champs to 7 games and lose on a last second shot with Embiid missing a game from that series and also being under the weather multiple games in that series. Butler plus a very good defense gives a team a chance to win any series and Bam is the main reason why this defense could be good enough with Butler, but this team needs another consistent scorer with at least league average efficiency which would be around 55-56% TS%.

Miami doesn't need a top tier scorer to go with Butler, a solid 17-22 ppg guy would help this team greatly. When Nunn is good he's filling that role but as we can see he's usually only good against bad teams/games that shouldn't be that competitive.

I think the Heat are banking on Herro eventually developing into that 3rd piece, I am. I think given another full 2 years he could be playing at an all star level, giving us routinely 20+ points a night. Butler by that time will be an aging star, but still a stabilizer who would no longer be tasked with carrying the nightly load. You move young pieces now and you take our window and latch it directly to Jimmy. Our Window isn’t tied to Jimmy, he’s a bridge to get us into a true contending window, and he’s a piece of that window, but will certainly not be the guy within it.

Herro
Bam
Giannis? Or a high level talent will make up the upper core

Then you have guys like Nunn, Winslow, Jimmy, Drob, Silva, and whatever other pieces we can scavenge along the way to pick up the slack every night. A 32 year old Jimmy Butler who’s really your 4th option but still capable of being a primary when he needs to be is a great asset to have. I think Jimmy can eventually be what Iggy was to the Warriors run. That’s how I see this window which should open up in 2021 unfolding.

You get a piece like Giannis retain our young guys and you are looking at a contention frame that could span the rest of the next decade. That’s Riley’a legacy you don’t screw with that to add an Aldridge or even a Holiday at this point

[BFRESH44]

If we WERE to make a trade, the only guy who REALLY makes sense (and is realistically attainable) for how Spo wants to play is Gallanari. Bam at this point is always going to be the ONLY big on the floor on crunch time. Then it's Jimmy, and either 3 other shooters, or 2 shooters + one additional defender who can switch (Winslow, DJJr)

So guys like LMA or Steven Adams just won't be worth it because both make way too much money to be situational players. With Gallo, you're talking 6'10 with deep range with underrated switchability on defense. And he can be used as a post-up player as well. Very versatile player. Perfect fit in between Jimmy and Bam in the front court. But do you want to burn another 1st for a guy who's set to be UFA this summer? OKC is reportedly willing to take on "burdensome salaries" to get more assets. You trade JJ and Waiters + a 2025 First for Gallo, not only do you significantly better your chances to get out of the East, consolidating the salaries, you also get under the luxury tax. And you still have your flexibility to reassess everything in the summer.

[AirP.]

Once again, 2021 Butler will be 32 which is a year younger in age when D.Wade's efficiency dropped dramatically. I really don't know how much value Butler being on a max at that age will be which is something a top tier free agent will look at. I think Butler will age well because of his game is built on effort, but an early/mid 30s max guy may not be as attractive as you think to a top tier free agent. You'd be selling joining Butler and the young guys like a Toronto could have sold a FA to come there to play next to Lowry the last 2 years, they made the trade to get that star.

Butler's window of being "this good" is a pretty small window. We just saw the 76ers take the eventual champs to 7 games and lose on a last second shot with Embiid missing a game from that series and also being under the weather multiple games in that series. Butler plus a very good defense gives a team a chance to win any series and Bam is the main reason why this defense could be good enough with Butler, but this team needs another consistent scorer with at least league average efficiency which would be around 55-56% TS%.

Miami doesn't need a top tier scorer to go with Butler, a solid 17-22 ppg guy would help this team greatly. When Nunn is good he's filling that role but as we can see he's usually only good against bad teams/games that shouldn't be that competitive.

I think the Heat are banking on Herro eventually developing into that 3rd piece, I am. I think given another full 2 years he could be playing at an all star level, giving us routinely 20+ points a night. Butler by that time will be an aging star, but still a stabilizer who would no longer be tasked with carrying the nightly load. You move young pieces now and you take our window and latch it directly to Jimmy. Our Window isn’t tied to Jimmy, he’s a bridge to get us into a true contending window, and he’s a piece of that window, but will certainly not be the guy within it.

Herro
Bam
Giannis? Or a high level talent will make up the upper core

Then you have guys like Nunn, Winslow, Jimmy, Drob, Silva, and whatever other pieces we can scavenge along the way to pick up the slack every night. A 32 year old Jimmy Butler who’s really your 4th option but still capable of being a primary when he needs to be is a great asset to have. I think Jimmy can eventually be what Iggy was to the Warriors run. That’s how I see this window which should open up in 2021 unfolding.

You get a piece like Giannis retain our young guys and you are looking at a contention frame that could span the rest of the next decade. That’s Riley’a legacy you don’t screw with that to add an Aldridge or even a Holiday at this point

Do you think Butler possibly gave up a 5th year max contract(that's a ton of money for 1 year) or turn down going to LA with Kawhi because Riley sold him on being a bridge during his last prime years to the time when Miami will try to acquire a better player? He was sold because the franchise works hard, not just the players but the FO also trying to make the roster better.

I do believe Riley wants to have cap space in 2021 but I also think he's not 100% sold on that and he's utilizing it as bargaining chip, it's possible to trade players that summer to make space if you're willing to give up assets.

Also, the 2021 summer, there's probably going to be a good number of teams with cap space and they won't be able to attract the top tier players, which means coming after and possibly overpaying players like Nunn or maybe even Robinson to get talent to their teams. It's very possible Miami will lose some of it's talent because they can't pay everyone, Bam is heading towards the max himself that summer.

So the summer of 2021
Butler max,
Winslow 13 mil,
add max free agent,
then signing Bam possibly for the max(unless he takes the QO and then is an unrestricted free agent),
then having to pay Nunn, and Robinson
while just having Herro and KZ on small contracts.
That's a ton of money and still need to fill out the roster.

[MadD23]

Once again, 2021 Butler will be 32 which is a year younger in age when D.Wade's efficiency dropped dramatically. I really don't know how much value Butler being on a max at that age will be which is something a top tier free agent will look at. I think Butler will age well because of his game is built on effort, but an early/mid 30s max guy may not be as attractive as you think to a top tier free agent. You'd be selling joining Butler and the young guys like a Toronto could have sold a FA to come there to play next to Lowry the last 2 years, they made the trade to get that star.

Butler's window of being "this good" is a pretty small window. We just saw the 76ers take the eventual champs to 7 games and lose on a last second shot with Embiid missing a game from that series and also being under the weather multiple games in that series. Butler plus a very good defense gives a team a chance to win any series and Bam is the main reason why this defense could be good enough with Butler, but this team needs another consistent scorer with at least league average efficiency which would be around 55-56% TS%.

Miami doesn't need a top tier scorer to go with Butler, a solid 17-22 ppg guy would help this team greatly. When Nunn is good he's filling that role but as we can see he's usually only good against bad teams/games that shouldn't be that competitive.

I think the Heat are banking on Herro eventually developing into that 3rd piece, I am. I think given another full 2 years he could be playing at an all star level, giving us routinely 20+ points a night. Butler by that time will be an aging star, but still a stabilizer who would no longer be tasked with carrying the nightly load. You move young pieces now and you take our window and latch it directly to Jimmy. Our Window isn’t tied to Jimmy, he’s a bridge to get us into a true contending window, and he’s a piece of that window, but will certainly not be the guy within it.

Herro
Bam
Giannis? Or a high level talent will make up the upper core

Then you have guys like Nunn, Winslow, Jimmy, Drob, Silva, and whatever other pieces we can scavenge along the way to pick up the slack every night. A 32 year old Jimmy Butler who’s really your 4th option but still capable of being a primary when he needs to be is a great asset to have. I think Jimmy can eventually be what Iggy was to the Warriors run. That’s how I see this window which should open up in 2021 unfolding.

You get a piece like Giannis retain our young guys and you are looking at a contention frame that could span the rest of the next decade. That’s Riley’a legacy you don’t screw with that to add an Aldridge or even a Holiday at this point

Do you think Butler possibly gave up a 5th year max contract(that's a ton of money for 1 year) or turn down going to LA with Kawhi because Riley sold him on being a bridge during his last prime years to the time when Miami will try to acquire a better player? He was sold because the franchise works hard, not just the players but the FO also trying to make the roster better.

I do believe Riley wants to have cap space in 2021 but I also think he's not 100% sold on that and he's utilizing it as bargaining chip, it's possible to trade players that summer to make space if you're willing to give up assets.

Also, the 2021 summer, there's probably going to be a good number of teams with cap space and they won't be able to attract the top tier players, which means coming after and possibly overpaying players like Nunn or maybe even Robinson to get talent to their teams. It's very possible Miami will lose some of it's talent because they can't pay everyone, Bam is heading towards the max himself that summer.

So the summer of 2021
Butler max,
Winslow 13 mil,
add max free agent,
then signing Bam possibly for the max(unless he takes the QO and then is an unrestricted free agent),
then having to pay Nunn, and Robinson
while just having Herro and KZ on small contracts.
That's a ton of money and still need to fill out the roster.

Riley ain't waiting until 2021. He knows we are just one move away from contending and he'll find a way to ad to this team without much subtraction.

[County of Wade]

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Jimmy has been exerting so much energy these last 3 games. We need Justise and Goran back for the sake of Jimmy's health.

[DayofMourning]

Heat have two MVP level players on the team:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/mvp.html

[Mos_Heat]

Don't want Lamar, especially if we lose a ballhandler to get him

For JJ/DJJ/Olynyk, yea', I guess

Jrue is the best option, but too expensive prolly

[Feel_the_Heat15]

Once again, 2021 Butler will be 32 which is a year younger in age when D.Wade's efficiency dropped dramatically. I really don't know how much value Butler being on a max at that age will be which is something a top tier free agent will look at. I think Butler will age well because of his game is built on effort, but an early/mid 30s max guy may not be as attractive as you think to a top tier free agent. You'd be selling joining Butler and the young guys like a Toronto could have sold a FA to come there to play next to Lowry the last 2 years, they made the trade to get that star.

Butler's window of being "this good" is a pretty small window. We just saw the 76ers take the eventual champs to 7 games and lose on a last second shot with Embiid missing a game from that series and also being under the weather multiple games in that series. Butler plus a very good defense gives a team a chance to win any series and Bam is the main reason why this defense could be good enough with Butler, but this team needs another consistent scorer with at least league average efficiency which would be around 55-56% TS%.

Miami doesn't need a top tier scorer to go with Butler, a solid 17-22 ppg guy would help this team greatly. When Nunn is good he's filling that role but as we can see he's usually only good against bad teams/games that shouldn't be that competitive.

The Raptors won a championship with a 33yo Kyle Lowry as their 2nd best player...A trio of 32yo Butler, 5th year Bam and Giannis would probably be better than whatever we could create right now.

[AirP.]

Once again, 2021 Butler will be 32 which is a year younger in age when D.Wade's efficiency dropped dramatically. I really don't know how much value Butler being on a max at that age will be which is something a top tier free agent will look at. I think Butler will age well because of his game is built on effort, but an early/mid 30s max guy may not be as attractive as you think to a top tier free agent. You'd be selling joining Butler and the young guys like a Toronto could have sold a FA to come there to play next to Lowry the last 2 years, they made the trade to get that star.

Butler's window of being "this good" is a pretty small window. We just saw the 76ers take the eventual champs to 7 games and lose on a last second shot with Embiid missing a game from that series and also being under the weather multiple games in that series. Butler plus a very good defense gives a team a chance to win any series and Bam is the main reason why this defense could be good enough with Butler, but this team needs another consistent scorer with at least league average efficiency which would be around 55-56% TS%.

Miami doesn't need a top tier scorer to go with Butler, a solid 17-22 ppg guy would help this team greatly. When Nunn is good he's filling that role but as we can see he's usually only good against bad teams/games that shouldn't be that competitive.

The Raptors won a championship with a 33yo Kyle Lowry as their 2nd best player...A trio of 32yo Butler, 5th year Bam and Giannis would probably be better than whatever we could create right now.

Right, but Kawhi didn't go there on his own, he was traded there. Obviously adding Giannis in 2 years would be better then whatever you could get now but I'm pretty sure Giannis won't end up in Miami in 2021 unless you know he has an incredible friendship with Butler or Bam(same agent, not the same) that gives him such a great desire to not play in a bigger market or team up with a higher level player. If I were Giannis I think I'd be doing the recruiting and if I were to go somewhere else, maybe teaming up with a guys like Doncic and Porzingis would be more interesting to him. Just hate the idea of doing very little which means having lesser teams when you have a guy on the roster that might be good enough to make Miami a true contender, he just got done almost powering the 76ers past the eventual champs and yes, I like Miami's chances vs the Bucks with a guy like Bam having a chance to slow Giannis down.

[BFRESH44]

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm

RPM is now out, and Jimmy and Bam are both top 5 at their positions. You love to see it.

We have 5 players overall in the top 100. Duncan, Justise, and KNunn are the other 3 in addition to Jimmy and Bam.

[twix2500]

Don't want Lamar, especially if we lose a ballhandler to get him

For JJ/DJJ/Olynyk, yea', I guess

Who is Lamar?