MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] - voting reopened

[Triples333]

Yeah as great as AD has been LeBron is clearly the Lakers’ MVP. Not really debatable at all. I’m at the point where I almost think if you’re top 4 is anything but LeBron, Giannis, Harden, Doncic in some order you’re trolling. Those guys have clearly separated themselves from the pack.

Well Davis leads Bron in points/rebounds/steals/blocks (<<- all per-game as well),/O-rating/D-rating, PER and TS%, so yes dude, it's obviously highly debatable to anybody being remotely rational.

Neither have a case for #1 MVP, that is for sure. Remember that KD and Curry (the incumbent B2B MVP/Unanimous MVP in his peak) did not finish top 3 in MVP after the two joined despite both being dominant and running the NBA. No, 35 year old Lebron with a teammate that has that much over him has absolutely no case, especially when other players have been better than both.

[clyde21]

Yeah as great as AD has been LeBron is clearly the Lakers’ MVP. Not really debatable at all. I’m at the point where I almost think if you’re top 4 is anything but LeBron, Giannis, Harden, Doncic in some order you’re trolling. Those guys have clearly separated themselves from the pack.

Well Davis leads the Bron in points/rebounds/steals/blocks/O-rating/D-rating, PER and TS%, so yes dude, it's obviously highly debatable to anybody being rational.

Neither have a case for #1 MVP, that is for sure. Remember that KD and Curry (a B2B MVP/Unanimous MVP in his peak) did not finish top 3 in MVP after the two joined. No, 35 year old Lebron with a teammate that has that much over him has absolutely no case.

take cover you're in LeBrony territory now

[yoyoboy]

Yeah as great as AD has been LeBron is clearly the Lakers’ MVP. Not really debatable at all. I’m at the point where I almost think if you’re top 4 is anything but LeBron, Giannis, Harden, Doncic in some order you’re trolling. Those guys have clearly separated themselves from the pack.

Well Davis leads the Bron in points/rebounds/steals/blocks/O-rating/D-rating, PER and TS%, so yes dude, it's obviously highly debatable to anybody being rational.

Sure if you pay attention to nothing besides the box score, I guess that limited view would make it appear a lot closer.

[Triples333]

40 point super efficient triple-double for Luka tonight in Mexico. Doing it North, South and within the border.

[Vsauce12]

This dude Luka is something else mane

[yoyoboy]

Yeah as great as AD has been LeBron is clearly the Lakers’ MVP. Not really debatable at all. I’m at the point where I almost think if you’re top 4 is anything but LeBron, Giannis, Harden, Doncic in some order you’re trolling. Those guys have clearly separated themselves from the pack.

Well Davis leads the Bron in points/rebounds/steals/blocks/O-rating/D-rating, PER and TS%, so yes dude, it's obviously highly debatable to anybody being rational.

Neither have a case for #1 MVP, that is for sure. Remember that KD and Curry (a B2B MVP/Unanimous MVP in his peak) did not finish top 3 in MVP after the two joined. No, 35 year old Lebron with a teammate that has that much over him has absolutely no case.

take cover you're in LeBrony territory now

I mean you’ve been pumping up KAT - who’s leading a 10-14 Timberwolves team - as a top 3 MVP candidate ahead of LeBron and Harden specifically because you dislike those guys, but sure everyone else is biased.

[Dr_Heat]

Doncic top 5 nba player. Let that sink in. A lot of people weren’t expecting this kid to be this damm good.

[Triples333]

Yeah as great as AD has been LeBron is clearly the Lakers’ MVP. Not really debatable at all. I’m at the point where I almost think if you’re top 4 is anything but LeBron, Giannis, Harden, Doncic in some order you’re trolling. Those guys have clearly separated themselves from the pack.

Well Davis leads the Bron in points/rebounds/steals/blocks/O-rating/D-rating, PER and TS%, so yes dude, it's obviously highly debatable to anybody being rational.

Sure if you pay attention to nothing besides the box score, I guess that limited view would make it appear a lot closer.

A lot more than standard box-score there bud.

We saw Lebron with the Lakers last season without AD. Rest assure, they were not on pace for 60+ wins. Hell, even after his attempted Super-Saiyan "it's Playoff Mode!" time, they still fell flat on their face.

Listen, beyond him not having a great case over AD (I personally DO have him over AD myself, but it's far from open/shut, and frankly some of that is on Lebron as the man with the ball in his hands), he has NO case over Giannis right now, that much you can agree with yes?

I'd also take Luka VERY clearly over him with how much they are overreaching expectations to their degree with his 30/10/9.5 on elite efficiency with no second fiddle and leading the league in BPM/VORP.

Harden is likely in the argument for 2nd/3rd at this point as well. Then we get to the 2nd tier of 'Bron/AD at 4/5 with most others following.

[Coach Carter]

Doncic top 5 nba player. Let that sink in. A lot of people weren’t expecting this kid to be this damm good.

He's very skilled. Played a few years against grown men + defenses that give you much less space to operate. In the nba he has that space. He even said it himself,' its easier to score in this league. Don't know, i guess ppl listen to analysts too much who are more so overworked n don't have time to watch games as opposed to being incompetent.

[LikeABosh]

We saw Lebron with the Lakers last season without AD. Rest assure, they were not on pace for 60+ wins. Hell, even after his attempted Super-Saiyan "it's Playoff Mode!" time, they still fell flat on their face.

I don't recall the Pelicans being on pace for 60 wins either. They obviously both benefit from each other so last season is irrelevant. Not to mention, the supporting cast is much more complete than last year

I agree it's a 4/5 scenario with LeBron/AD tho. If Giannis, Doncic, and Harden didn't exist, I'd lean towards LeBron. The team depends on him much more. There's literally no one else except Rondo who could run the offense.

[Petergrifindor]

[Swish1906]

No people Listen too much to idiots claiming they are experts and dont pay enough attention to the real experts

[NY 567]

Giannis is probably going to win MVP, but Luka is gonna be a really, really close 2nd, and if the Bucks slide for whatever reason, he'll be right there.

[LikeABosh]

I mean you’ve been pumping up KAT - who’s leading a 10-14 Timberwolves team - as a top 3 MVP candidate ahead of LeBron and Harden specifically because you dislike those guys, but sure everyone else is biased.

I think he prefers playing dumb than giving those guys credit. So petty

[Triples333]

We saw Lebron with the Lakers last season without AD. Rest assure, they were not on pace for 60+ wins. Hell, even after his attempted Super-Saiyan "it's Playoff Mode!" time, they still fell flat on their face.

I don't recall the Pelicans being on pace for 60 wins either. They obviously both benefit from each other so last season is irrelevant. Not to mention, the supporting cast is much more complete than last year

I agree it's a 4/5 scenario with LeBron/AD tho. If Giannis, Doncic, and Harden didn't exist, I'd lean towards LeBron. The team depends on him much more. There's literally no one else except Rondo who could run the offense.

No, he sat out the majority of the year and they landed the #1 pick of the decade.

Of course they benefit massively off each other. That is entirely the point.

But agreed, they're the 2nd tier 4/5+. Great years for both though, and it's showing. They'll be a fun/tough out. Good to see a manufactured Lakers team back again.

[clyde21]

Well Davis leads the Bron in points/rebounds/steals/blocks/O-rating/D-rating, PER and TS%, so yes dude, it's obviously highly debatable to anybody being rational.

Neither have a case for #1 MVP, that is for sure. Remember that KD and Curry (a B2B MVP/Unanimous MVP in his peak) did not finish top 3 in MVP after the two joined. No, 35 year old Lebron with a teammate that has that much over him has absolutely no case.

take cover you're in LeBrony territory now

I mean you’ve been pumping up KAT - who’s leading a 10-14 Timberwolves team - as a top 3 MVP candidate ahead of LeBron and Harden specifically because you dislike those guys, but sure everyone else is biased.

pretty weak year for MVP is what it means, there is the trash that is Harden, Davis/LeBron cancel each other out, no KD or Steph, Kawhi load management...that's what were left with at this point.

[Vsauce12]

Americans really let two Europeans lap them in a race, you love to see it

[LikeABosh]

No, he sat out the majority of the year and they landed the #1 pick of the decade.

And he still played more games than LeBron. And they still finished with a worse record. Like I said, last season is irrelevant. It's just a bad argument for why AD would be better

Of course they benefit massively off each other. That is entirely the point.

No, that wasn't your point at all. If it was, then you wouldn't use that fact as a reason to credit one over the other. I think it's a wash mostly

[Coach Carter]

though the majority of the media won't like it, this is b/n giannis n luka

[Triples333]

No, he sat out the majority of the year and they landed the #1 pick of the decade.

And he still played more games than LeBron. And they still finished with a worse record. Like I said, last season is irrelevant. It's just a bad argument for why AD would be better

Of course they benefit massively off each other. That is entirely the point.

No, that wasn't your point at all. If it was, then you wouldn't use that fact as a reason to credit one over the other. I think it's a wash mostly

I never made it as a point that AD was "better", don't be obtuse.

If you think it's a wash of them at this point, then why are you wasting our time. That is exactly what I said, and gave 'Bron the edge.

The bottom line is that neither are in the #1 MVP debate if we are being objective.