Tuesday game thread discussion

[fbalmeida]

I've got a question about Simmons that I once tossed on the Raptors board and went unanswered. It may sound rhetorical but it's actually a perfectly honest question about his past development.

Who was it exactly that first looked at Simmons' size, athleticism, and skill-set, and suggested he should be a point guard?

our moronic coach who lets simmons call all the shots because brown coached simmons' dad in australia and treats him more like a prince than a player to develope

simmons and brown are a package that need to be shipped out

So Simmons as a PG was Brown's concoction? If so, that's a fireable offense in my opinion.

To me, Simmons looks like a pretty solid two-way SF with range issues.

[Jadoogar]

Pelicans should make a play with multiple picks, Lonzo or Holiday, NAW, and whatever else besides Zion and Ingram

Hayes
Zion
Ingram
Hart
Simmons

They would run into the same problem. The 2 (really 3) best players can't shoot.

[Jadoogar]

That's a terrible terrible thread

And to the guy offering Wall for Simmons... That's gotta be a joke, right?

The guy is elite at defending and passing, his team was one shot away from the finals and you are dumb enough to say that the "experiment" failed? LOL

What? they were "one shot away" from overtime in game 7. If they win that, they still have to play an entire series against maybe the best player in the league before getting to the finals.

[Texas Chuck]

I’d love him on Dallas next to Porzingis and Doncic to play as the PF but Dallas doesn’t have near enough assets... and I’m likely in the minority of people that would want him there

I think Simmons is a much better player than all the noise around him suggests. So this isn't anti-Simmons. But he is very limited offensively off-ball and you aren't going to take the ball away from Luka. Now he could play every non-Luka minute running the show, but that's what 16 minutes a night and less in the playoffs. You could probably steal another 4-5 minutes worth of possessions playing Luka off-ball but you simply can't get enough offensive value out of him to make him the final play for Dallas even if you could pull together the assets to acquire him which Dallas can't.

I just don't see anyway it works well enough.

[dlts20]

They just need 3 shooters around them like betrans and so on

[papajoe]

Simmons for D'Lo,1st Round Pick and Paschall

D'Lo
Richardson
Tobias
Horford
Embiid

[stillgotgame]

Strangely built team. They’re going to play it out for at least a year. Put it on Brett Brown to figure it out or go get another coach.
Cracks me up that the Celtics fans in this thread are the people criticizing. You’ve lost 2 in a row, and don’t have a center. Might want to fix your own team first.

[Texas Chuck]

So Simmons as a PG was Brown's concoction? If so, that's a fireable offense in my opinion.

To me, Simmons looks like a pretty solid two-way SF with range issues.

This feels based on height more than anything. His best position on offense is quite clearly point guard. He's got tremendous vision and playmaking and his lack of shooting doesn't kill spacing the way it would if constantly played off-ball.

No, he should definitely play point guard. And if the team hadn't made the Tobias trade and had kept Redick that would pretty obvious I think. The other moves they have made around Simmons and Embiid have been bigger issues imo.

[Jamaaliver]

Simmons and Embiid are a terrible combination and bring the worst out in each other. The Sixers have elected to build around Embiid, not Simmons. This is not a Bucks scenario with Giannis.

1. What is a worthy trade for Simmons?
2. Of all teams factoring in coaches, what is the best team for Simmons to be traded to in order for him to develop to his full potential and become the best version of himself? -

How about a 3 team trade next summer?

Principal pieces:

• Simmons to Atlanta
  
• Collins and 2 first round picks to Washington
  
• Beal, Troy Brown and Mo Wagner to Philly

Wizards get younger pieces to build around.
76ers get a floor spacing combo guard to create for himself and others in tight moments.
Hawks get a point forward next to Trae as they complete their Golden State Warriors knock off.

Any additional value needed in any direction? Maybe include Huerter to WAS?

[lakers2020]

I've said it before and I'll say it again; DeAngelo Russell would be a great fit with Embiid, while Simmons with the Splash Bros would be great.

This off-season, Simmon's new max extension kicks in, and they'll make about the same per year.

No way is Russell worth Simmons, but in terms of fit, this is an awesome idea.

Maybe if Golden State ends up with the #5 or 6 pick, it'd be Russell and the pick for Simmons?

How about
Simmons
Hortford

for
D'Lo
Draymond

Simmons has more value than D'Lo. Draymond is younger, better contract than Hortford.

And I think both teams get better.

With Hortford coming as a stretch 5, Simmons would be the only non shooter in the lineup.
With their ability to play off ball (Klay and Steph), Simmons would be an ideal fit.
Imagine a Steph, Simmons pick and roll, and Simmons feasting on 4 on 3s.

D'Lo is a floor spreader at the 1. Even if Draymond doesn't sufficiently space the floor, at least he doesn't need the ball to be happy. Embiid gets all the post touches he desires. And their defense doesn't get too much worse by getting Dray.

[GeorgeMarcus]

I've got a question about Simmons that I once tossed on the Raptors board and went unanswered. It may sound rhetorical but it's actually a perfectly honest question about his past development.

Who was it exactly that first looked at Simmons' size, athleticism, and skill-set, and suggested he should be a point guard?

our moronic coach who lets simmons call all the shots because brown coached simmons' dad in australia and treats him more like a prince than a player to develope

simmons and brown are a package that need to be shipped out

So Simmons as a PG was Brown's concoction? If so, that's a fireable offense in my opinion.

To me, Simmons looks like a pretty solid two-way SF with range issues.

Simmons is a pass-first operator with great court vision and an explosive first step. Playing him off-ball would be like playing Westbrook or Rubio off-ball. Just not a great use of their talents.

[Texas Chuck]

How about a 3 team trade next summer?

Principal pieces:

• Simmons to Atlanta
  
• Collins and 2 first round picks to Washington
  
• Beal, Troy Brown and Mo Wagner to Philly

I know Washington and their fans seem committed to Beal, and he to them. And I totally get that. But with that caveat I really like this deal a lot for every team.

[lakers2020]

How about a 3 team trade next summer?

Principal pieces:

• Simmons to Atlanta
  
• Collins and 2 first round picks to Washington
  
• Beal, Troy Brown and Mo Wagner to Philly

I know Washington and their fans seem committed to Beal, and he to them. And I totally get that. But with that caveat I really like this deal a lot for every team.

I would be worried that Collins isn't the same player if he's not taking PEDs anymore. But otherwise, very nice trade!

[brutalitops]

He's 23.

A lot of the earlier posters highlight that I have more respect for Dolan, Because if OP or the guy who suggested the wall Trade were rich enough to own an NBA franchise they would literally ruin the league by making a team bankrupt with their **** nous for basketball

Their best players are 25 and 23, Both are monsters defensively, Sure Ben has a lot to grow on offense, But your talking about a team which pushed the eventual champs in a semi final.

Currently sitting 3rd, 19-7. I think every Philly fan will say yeah the team has a few holes, Embiid/Simmons are not that.

[Clay Davis]

At this point Simmons is basically Draymond Green. Any team could use Draymond Green. The real problem for their clonky playstyle is the fact that they're playing three forwards and two centers. I think their team last year was better than this year AS A WHOLE though this team is clearly built to basically kill the Bucks and thus more likely to get to the Finals

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[brutalitops]

on.

To me, Simmons looks like a pretty solid two-way SF with range issues.

The 6'10" player with amazing court vision great handles and runs the offense fine is more of a Wing?

The ****?

[Jamaaliver]

At this point Simmons is basically Draymond Green. Any team could use Draymond Green.

Simmons is like a hybrid of Draymond in the half court and Giannis in the open floor. Getting him at PF is going to open things up for him so much if he's flanked by 4 shooters.

Giannis might be the only guy out East who can defend Simmons in the post and on a dribble drive from the perimeter.

[BigtimeNBAfan]

lol at this thread. The Sixers are rolling and had arguably the biggest win of the nba season last night. Simmons is under contract for a long time. I can't guarantee much, but I'll guarantee and bet anyone that Simmons will be on the Sixers for at least the next few years.

[Dino353]

The people saying this are people that are not watching the games. Simmons impacts the game in so many ways that they don’t win last night without his on ball defense and ability to push the pace and get the ball out to Korkmaz and Scott for shots. People can sit back and critique his game but the Sixers are not a contender without him, he excels at everything else aside from shooting and he scored 34 points the other night without shooting jumpers.

Philly would be beyond stupid to trade Ben Simmons, it’s comical actually. He a 2 way player with elite defense and can play 1-4 and cause all sort of mismatches.

[zimpy27]

The ideal spot and 6ers trade partner for Simmons IMO is Brooklyn.
Trade Simmons for Dinwiddie. You could add other things around it to balance it better but that would be the core deal.
Kyrie, Harris, Durant, Simmons, Allen
Dinwiddie, Richardson, Harris, Horford, Embiid


One other great spot and trade partner is the Raptors
Trade Simmons for FVV and whatever else required to make the deal.