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Re: 2019 season speculation including trade ideas 

Post#2281 » by Dual » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:24 pm

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2- Aaron Gordon: Right now our frontcourt severely lacks speed and athleticism, along with frontcourt defense. Gordon is averaging: 13 points/ 7 rebounds/ and 2 assists. But is supremely athletic, and could be amazing for us in a Shaun Marion type role. Using his speed and athleticism to not only energize our apathetic team, But also use his explosive and speed to provide much better rebounding and rim protection than what either Saric or Kaminsky are capable of.


Is Gordon a good defensive player/rim protector? I don’t watch any Magic games at all and know very little about any of their players including him. I know defense used to be a knock on him early in his career but perhaps that has changed.

I’d still take him over Saric because of the athleticism point that you brought up. One thing I’ve noticed this season is how unathletic we are with guys like Kaminsky, Saric, both Johnsons and Jerome getting playing time in the rotation. It makes Oubre look like an athletic freak because of how those guys can all barely get an inch or two off the ground.

I prefer this over athletic players with zero game like Josh Jackson and Chriss obviously but shouldn’t have to pick between one or the other since there are many players who are athletic and still competent.

It’s one of the main reasons why I’d prefer Gordon or LMA over Kevin Love in trade possibilities.


Gordon is decent. 31 mpg, 13.7 ppg, 7 rpg, 2.7 apg (I guess you said that), but shoots only 31% from 3. In college he was known as strictly a defensive guy but he's not a great defender at this level. Doesn't really get steals or blocks/rim protection really. Defense is better than offense slightly since he shoots so poorly (51.6 TS%). I don't think he's worth his contract and probably not a good fit next to Ayton.

Nevertheless he tortured us with his 3s :lol:
I'm all in about Gordon, of all the candidates is the younger and give us athleticism and defense, which we lack.
Aldrige is a great ofensive weapon but on defense is slow and not so good.
Do you guys really think Magic will trade Gordon? If is a yes is a no brainer for me.
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Re: 2019 season speculation including trade ideas 

Post#2282 » by Dual » Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:31 pm

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/platform/amp/2019/12/13/21020315/phoenix-suns-backup-point-guard-okobo-carter-jerome-johnson

Ricky Rubio, +36 total plus-minus in 268 minutes (appeared in 8 of 8 games)
Ty Jerome, -34 in 77 minutes (6 of 8 games)
Tyler Johnson, -25 in 38 minutes (3 of 8 games)
Elie Okobo, +3 in 35 minutes (5 of 8 games)
Jevon Carter, -14 in 29 minutes (3 of 8 games)

As of this is clear that Okobo has earn more minutes
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Re: 2019 season speculation including trade ideas 

Post#2283 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:03 pm

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2- Aaron Gordon: Right now our frontcourt severely lacks speed and athleticism, along with frontcourt defense. Gordon is averaging: 13 points/ 7 rebounds/ and 2 assists. But is supremely athletic, and could be amazing for us in a Shaun Marion type role. Using his speed and athleticism to not only energize our apathetic team, But also use his explosive and speed to provide much better rebounding and rim protection than what either Saric or Kaminsky are capable of.


Is Gordon a good defensive player/rim protector? I don’t watch any Magic games at all and know very little about any of their players including him. I know defense used to be a knock on him early in his career but perhaps that has changed.

I’d still take him over Saric because of the athleticism point that you brought up. One thing I’ve noticed this season is how unathletic we are with guys like Kaminsky, Saric, both Johnsons and Jerome getting playing time in the rotation. It makes Oubre look like an athletic freak because of how those guys can all barely get an inch or two off the ground.

I prefer this over athletic players with zero game like Josh Jackson and Chriss obviously but shouldn’t have to pick between one or the other since there are many players who are athletic and still competent.

It’s one of the main reasons why I’d prefer Gordon or LMA over Kevin Love in trade possibilities.


Gordon is decent. 31 mpg, 13.7 ppg, 7 rpg, 2.7 apg (I guess you said that), but shoots only 31% from 3. In college he was known as strictly a defensive guy but he's not a great defender at this level. Doesn't really get steals or blocks/rim protection really. Defense is better than offense slightly since he shoots so poorly (51.6 TS%). I don't think he's worth his contract and probably not a good fit next to Ayton.


Yeah, I do hear you in regards to him being just statistically average or " pedestrian " in terms of production. I guess for me, I just feel that his talent level, ability, and athleticism is being/ has been improperly utilized in Orlando. It's funny when comparing percentages of the three: Gordon, Oubre, and even Shawn Marion. When going over them, I found them to be fairly similar mostly in terms of Fg%, 3pt % and in terms of production. But of course with Marion having a slight edge in free throw percentage. Aside from that I found real similarities in their overall utility skillsets and athletic ability.

Now in regards to their more obvious differences, Oubre brings energy with high levels of charisma, And marion was a versatile defensive specialist with an awkward yet somewhat effective shot. Gordon however is more or less a bigger, stronger, and more explosive version of Oubre ( but without the flash and bravado). Now I've likely beat this theory into the ground by now. But I do genuinely believe that he( Gordon) can develop and become a Marion 2.0 for us as a versatile positional defender, Using his stellar athleticism and explosiveness to be highly disruptive to the opposing teams.
Also, I again propose recreating our own version of the " Run n' Gun" suns that utilized their good athleticism and speed and open court dominance whilst also having a really good facilitator on the break in Nash. I think that we could replicate that style of play with our roster, playing to the benefit of Ayton, Booker, Oubre, Gordon and even for Bridges, on run outs, given their overall high level athleticism and talent, especially with Rubio beingbour facilitator. I just think that combination going full speed in the open court would be very potent and nearly impossible to stop ( as per what I envision in my previous posts). One final consideration with respect to the Oubre and Gordon comparison, Is the potential for Oubre to likely outplay his current contractual value as we enter 2021 free agency.

Meaning he could very easily play himself out of our price range. Now currently Gordon is on a descending value contract. Meaning that should Oubre price himself out of our range, Or should we expect that he will command a market value beyond what we deem reasonable for his resigning, We'd then just be able to slot Gordon into his spot, and at or within only a maybe one million difference in salary to what Oubre is currently making. Then when Gordon expires fully in 2022, We could accurately gauge his value in comparison to Bridges progression. So, should we trade for him, and find that the change of environment and a new system boosts his production and consistency, Then we can always look to trade Oubre whilst at premium value for more assets ( either expirings or picks, etc.). That would allow us to absorb Gordons' salary fully without any real detriment to our plans for max cap space in 2021. And as far as his fit next to Ayton, He might not fit perfectly next to Ayton, But then again, His athleticism, speed, strength and explosiveness might be a boon for us in creating mismatches. Also should Ayton return, And not be able to maintain any measurable improvement in terms of dominance and aggression (as he showed in the King's game), and should he for whatever reason revert back to a finesse game, Then Gordon's stellar athleticism could theoretically help to somewhat offset that in the frontcourt I believe.

Now having said that, My first choice is still Aldridge, mainly due to his contract actually fully expiring in 2021. As well as his apparent statistical improvement in shooting the 3, as well as his improvement in blocks. Currently he's averaging around :
https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2983/lamarcus-aldridge .

18.8 points / 7.1 rebounds / and 2.1 assists. With a 19.97 PER! Also whilst shooting close to 35% from three and blocking almost 2 shots per game ( 1.7). So I see him as an upgrade at the 4 for us over Saric currently, As he can also still score in the post consistently and contribute, even IF his three point shot wasn't falling. Also, due to his improvement in shooting his threes, I don't really see any real floor spacing issues. Also considering that Aldridge still would command a double team in the post, That'd create great mismatches for Ayton( as they just can't double both, and still guard the perimeter) as well as open looks on the perimeter for our shooters too. This is mainly due to the immense gravity that both Ayton and Aldridge( ***on opposing corners) would create in the post. Lastly, Our frontcourt with the added size, production would be incredibly dominant in terms of post scoring and rebounding, What with the size and post dominance that Ayton, Aldridge and Baynes would create. Whilst Booker, Oubre Cam, and Bridges create absolute havoc on the perimeter, and in cutting to the basket.Not to mention the incredible screens that all three could set for Tubio, Booker, Cam Johnson and Oubre. Finally, given both Aytons' and Aldridge's size in the post, Along with Aldridges' current almost 2 blocks per game, and Aytons' ( hopefully ***) improved defensive improvement and tenacity, We'd have our rim protection issues covered really well, by just funneling opposing teams directly between our two dominant post bigs. And we'd always have two bigs with size and dominance on the court at all times in our rotations.

So ideally, Aldridge would give us an immediate boost, in addition to Aytons' return which would drastically increase our odds of once again surprising teams, and going on an extended winning streak right when we'd need it most. And also almost guarantee us a playoff position. Whilst having absolutely no detrimental effect on our 2021 free agency plans. Yet also makingbus appear to be a lot more of a competitive team and making us considerably more desirable to any big name targets in that free agency, as we enter it with max cap space too. So our post trade roster could essentially look like this:

- Rubio/ Okobo/ Carter.
- Booker/ Bridges/ Jerome.
- Bridges/ Oubre/ Cam.
-Aldridge/ Kaminsky/ Diallo.
- Ayton/ Baynes/ Kaminsky. I really like the potential of that lineup personally. :D
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Re: 2019 season speculation including trade ideas 

Post#2284 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:15 pm

A variation of the LaMarcus Aldridge trade posted above that I've been considering, Wherein we keep Saric for our floor spacing, But use Johnson's expiring contract and Kaminsky to upgrade our roster depth and front court defense and rim protection is:

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7255998 .

Phoenix/ San Antonio/ Dallas.

Phoenix trades-
Tyler Johnson's expiring and Frank Kaminsky to San Antonio. Along with a future lottery protected first.

Phoenix gets-
The expiring contract of Courtney Lee ( 12 million), Maxi Kleber ( Rim Protection at the backup 4, behind Saric). And Jalen Brunson ( A quality backup guard with championship pedigree who is also from Bridges Villanova playoff championship team and is familiar with him). Finally we also get a Dallas 2020 2nd round pick. ( To be used on Paul Reed or Isiah Joe) in the 2nd round.

San Antonio trades-
LaMarcus Aldridge.

San Antonio gets-
Tyler Johnson's expiring, Frank Kaminsky, And a Phoenix lottery protected first.

Dallas Trades-
Courtney Lees' expiring, Maxi Kleber, Jalen Brunson and a 2020 2nd.

Dallas gets-
LaMarcus Aldridge.

I think that Kleber with his shotblocking could be the perfect backup 4 for us next to Ayton, and even though he'd add 8 million to our books for 2021, He'd perfectly fill.our needs at the 4, and we could of course move Oubre still in a trade maximizingbhis value, whilst creating more cap space and acquiring more assets, Or else we could just keep him, and fill or upgrade other roster positions with the remaining 22 million in cap space being spread out throughout the roster.

Should we follow that path, I'd then keep the above trade, adding Kleber and Brunson. And then in 2021 free agency, instead of going after one big name, I'd look to create further roster depth by perhaps signing players such as:


- Ish Smith ( Rubio's backup)?
- Nemanja Bjelica. ( Darios' replacement)?
- Daniel Theis ( Kaminskys' replacement).
- JJ Reddick ( Booker's backup)?
- Jerami Grant ( Oubres' replacement)? **** Should we not resign him.

So ideally, Should we not get a big name such as Giannis or Davis. Our backup plan should then become spreading out the money to create optimal roster depth at all possible positions. Our potential 2021 roster could be:

- Rubio/ Smith/ Brunson/ Okobo.
- Booker/ Reddick/ Jerome.
- Jerami Grant/ Bridges/ Cam Johnson.
- Bjelica ( or Saric*** If retained) / Kleber/ Diallo.
- Ayton/ Baynes/ Theiss.

That's great offense/ shooting with Booker, Reddick, Cam, and Bjelica or Saric, and Ayton. And great perimeter defense and backcourt defense with Ish Smith, Bridges, and Grant.

Also great rim protection with all of: Kleber, Baynes, Diallo and Theiss. We could possibly end up being one of the very deepest team in the NBA on both offense and defense. Not a bad shift really. Then with our draft picks, We add further depth at shooting guard ( Isiah Joe). And at backup 4 ( Paul Reed). Or at center using our 2nd acquired from Dallas) by taking Ikey Obiagu.
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Re: 2019 season speculation including trade ideas 

Post#2285 » by bwgood77 » Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:11 pm

Dual wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Revived wrote:Is Gordon a good defensive player/rim protector? I don’t watch any Magic games at all and know very little about any of their players including him. I know defense used to be a knock on him early in his career but perhaps that has changed.

I’d still take him over Saric because of the athleticism point that you brought up. One thing I’ve noticed this season is how unathletic we are with guys like Kaminsky, Saric, both Johnsons and Jerome getting playing time in the rotation. It makes Oubre look like an athletic freak because of how those guys can all barely get an inch or two off the ground.

I prefer this over athletic players with zero game like Josh Jackson and Chriss obviously but shouldn’t have to pick between one or the other since there are many players who are athletic and still competent.

It’s one of the main reasons why I’d prefer Gordon or LMA over Kevin Love in trade possibilities.


Gordon is decent. 31 mpg, 13.7 ppg, 7 rpg, 2.7 apg (I guess you said that), but shoots only 31% from 3. In college he was known as strictly a defensive guy but he's not a great defender at this level. Doesn't really get steals or blocks/rim protection really. Defense is better than offense slightly since he shoots so poorly (51.6 TS%). I don't think he's worth his contract and probably not a good fit next to Ayton.

Nevertheless he tortured us with his 3s :lol:
I'm all in about Gordon, of all the candidates is the younger and give us athleticism and defense, which we lack.
Aldrige is a great ofensive weapon but on defense is slow and not so good.
Do you guys really think Magic will trade Gordon? If is a yes is a no brainer for me.


If they get a great deal, yes, but likely not before they have to pay Isaac his second contract if they do. I think they will aim for the playoffs. If they think someone like Oubre is a better fit maybe but I doubt it.
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Post#2286 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:39 am

Well it's really looking like the Kings will win tonight against the Knicks,Making it all the more important that we secure a win tommorow, Especially with our tough upcoming schedule all the way to the 23rd of December. Anybody have some guesstimates as to what our record will be heading into the end of December? Of course with consideration to Aytons' return as well?
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Post#2287 » by Hesh » Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:06 am

Ghost of Kleine wrote:Well it's really looking like the Kings will win tonight against the Knicks,Making it all the more important that we secure a win tommorow, Especially with our tough upcoming schedule all the way to the 23rd of December. Anybody have some guesstimates as to what our record will be heading into the end of December? Of course with consideration to Aytons' return as well?


We caught a break. Kings lose and T'wolves took all 7 L's.
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Post#2288 » by denial » Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:26 pm

Dual wrote:https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/platform/amp/2019/12/13/21020315/phoenix-suns-backup-point-guard-okobo-carter-jerome-johnson

Ricky Rubio, +36 total plus-minus in 268 minutes (appeared in 8 of 8 games)
Ty Jerome, -34 in 77 minutes (6 of 8 games)
Tyler Johnson, -25 in 38 minutes (3 of 8 games)
Elie Okobo, +3 in 35 minutes (5 of 8 games)
Jevon Carter, -14 in 29 minutes (3 of 8 games)

As of this is clear that Okobo has earn more minutes


I had been complaining about ty Johnson. Glad he has been benched.
But now we are giving the minutes to ty Jerome and imo he looks awful. He struggles bringing the ball up and folds under pressure. He looks like a high school freshman. I’m not sure what his upside is but I don’t see a future for him.

I think Carter and okobo have both played well and I’m not sure why they don’t get more minutes.
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Post#2289 » by denial » Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:28 pm

Realgm software is always shoddy (at best). But it’s especially bad today. Constantly reloading the page while I’m typing replies. I’m resorting to typing my replies in notepad and the pasting and posting before rgm crashes/reloads and loses my post.

I don’t expect any recourse. Just complaining.
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Post#2290 » by Frank Lee » Sat Dec 14, 2019 1:10 pm

It’s early to pass final judgement but Jerome does look out matched. He needs to study all the tape on JJ Berea available, and learn to mesh his talent with his limitations. So far though, he is showing symptoms of Fredette’s Syndrome
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Post#2291 » by hollywood6964 » Sat Dec 14, 2019 1:22 pm

Dual wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Revived wrote:Is Gordon a good defensive player/rim protector? I don’t watch any Magic games at all and know very little about any of their players including him. I know defense used to be a knock on him early in his career but perhaps that has changed.

I’d still take him over Saric because of the athleticism point that you brought up. One thing I’ve noticed this season is how unathletic we are with guys like Kaminsky, Saric, both Johnsons and Jerome getting playing time in the rotation. It makes Oubre look like an athletic freak because of how those guys can all barely get an inch or two off the ground.

I prefer this over athletic players with zero game like Josh Jackson and Chriss obviously but shouldn’t have to pick between one or the other since there are many players who are athletic and still competent.

It’s one of the main reasons why I’d prefer Gordon or LMA over Kevin Love in trade possibilities.


Gordon is decent. 31 mpg, 13.7 ppg, 7 rpg, 2.7 apg (I guess you said that), but shoots only 31% from 3. In college he was known as strictly a defensive guy but he's not a great defender at this level. Doesn't really get steals or blocks/rim protection really. Defense is better than offense slightly since he shoots so poorly (51.6 TS%). I don't think he's worth his contract and probably not a good fit next to Ayton.

Nevertheless he tortured us with his 3s :lol:
I'm all in about Gordon, of all the candidates is the younger and give us athleticism and defense, which we lack.
Aldrige is a great ofensive weapon but on defense is slow and not so good.
Do you guys really think Magic will trade Gordon? If is a yes is a no brainer for me.

I don't like gordon. I know this boards loves him because he kills us everytime, but on a night in night out basis, the frustration will ensue. And his contract will be huge, I'm out.
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Re: 2019 season speculation including trade ideas 

Post#2292 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:15 pm

denial wrote:Realgm software is always shoddy (at best). But it’s especially bad today. Constantly reloading the page while I’m typing replies. I’m resorting to typing my replies in notepad and the pasting and posting before rgm crashes/reloads and loses my post.

I don’t expect any recourse. Just complaining.


Agreed, This consistently happens to me as well during the creation of my posts. It will also crash and reload, causing me to lose my entire post and have to start over. I thought it might just be an issue with my s8, But apparently as stated, it's the site itself? Somewhat fustrating. But hopefully it gets sorted out. :-?
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Post#2293 » by hollywood6964 » Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:35 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:
denial wrote:Realgm software is always shoddy (at best). But it’s especially bad today. Constantly reloading the page while I’m typing replies. I’m resorting to typing my replies in notepad and the pasting and posting before rgm crashes/reloads and loses my post.

I don’t expect any recourse. Just complaining.


Agreed, This consistently happens to me as well during the creation of my posts. It will also crash and reload, causing me to lose my entire post and have to start over. I thought it might just be an issue with my s8, But apparently as stated, it's the site itself? Somewhat fustrating. But hopefully it gets sorted out. :-?

I almost always use my computer. The phone app is a turd.
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Post#2294 » by Qwigglez » Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:00 pm

Need to get back to talking about Love who killed the Spurs recently with his post ups, threes, passes, step back jumpers. I’m willing to give up a 2021 1st round pick as long as we dont move anyone outside of Ty, Frank, and even Jevon. Keep Saric for injury insurance policy.
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Post#2295 » by Dual » Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:03 pm

Qwigglez wrote:Need to get back to talking about Love who killed the Spurs recently with his post ups, threes, passes, step back jumpers. I’m willing to give up a 2021 1st round pick as long as we dont move anyone outside of Ty, Frank, and even Jevon. Keep Saric for injury insurance policy.

I'm up to it, but roster will need to step foward on defense like 1st games.
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Post#2296 » by SunsLyf3 » Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:28 pm

hollywood6964 wrote:
Dual wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Gordon is decent. 31 mpg, 13.7 ppg, 7 rpg, 2.7 apg (I guess you said that), but shoots only 31% from 3. In college he was known as strictly a defensive guy but he's not a great defender at this level. Doesn't really get steals or blocks/rim protection really. Defense is better than offense slightly since he shoots so poorly (51.6 TS%). I don't think he's worth his contract and probably not a good fit next to Ayton.

Nevertheless he tortured us with his 3s :lol:
I'm all in about Gordon, of all the candidates is the younger and give us athleticism and defense, which we lack.
Aldrige is a great ofensive weapon but on defense is slow and not so good.
Do you guys really think Magic will trade Gordon? If is a yes is a no brainer for me.

I don't like gordon. I know this boards loves him because he kills us everytime, but on a night in night out basis, the frustration will ensue. And his contract will be huge, I'm out.

He currently has 2 more years left after this season and the salaries are declining. He has the friendliest contract out of all our potential targets.
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Post#2297 » by hollywood6964 » Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:39 pm

SunsLyf3 wrote:
hollywood6964 wrote:
Dual wrote:
Nevertheless he tortured us with his 3s :lol:
I'm all in about Gordon, of all the candidates is the younger and give us athleticism and defense, which we lack.
Aldrige is a great ofensive weapon but on defense is slow and not so good.
Do you guys really think Magic will trade Gordon? If is a yes is a no brainer for me.

I don't like gordon. I know this boards loves him because he kills us everytime, but on a night in night out basis, the frustration will ensue. And his contract will be huge, I'm out.

He currently has 2 more years left after this season and the salaries are declining. He has the friendliest contract out of all our potential targets.

20 mils too much for a 12 ppg guy on bad %'s who's only an average defender overall. Out.
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Post#2298 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:06 pm

A few thoughts towards 2021 free agency and perhaps a few questions as well.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/2021/ .
Now it's been posted on a few sites that we could possibly have up to 30+ million heading into 2021s' epic free agency. However, Assuming that we are absolutely certain that we won't attract any Big Name players such as Giannis or Anthony Davis, etc. Then there'd be a few smaller name more under the radar players that I'd target or consider from that free agency list:

- Jerami Grant.
- JJ Reddick.
- Bjelica.
- Doug McDermott.
- Monte Morris or TJ McConnell.

My plan is as follows.

Plan A- *** ( My favorite choice above all!)***
a 3 team trade with Phoenix/ San Antonio/ and Dallas.
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7256286 .

*** Phoenix sends a future lottery protected first ( San Antonio). Phoenix gets back a 2020 2nd round pick ( Dallas).

Now with this trade, it theoretically would reduce our cap space down to only 22 million I believe. However, With 22 million still available post trade, we could either bring Oubre back hopefully at a reasonable price. Or IF NOT, I'd then look to offer:

- Jerami Grant 12 million. And perhaps Bjelica (around 8-10 to replace Saric).
- Daniel Theiss. ( midlevel taxpayer exception)?

So even though in this scenario, we don't get Reddick, our roster still gets some major upgrades.

- Rubio/ Okobo/ Jerome.
- Booker/Seth Curry/ Bridges.
- Jerami Grant/ Bridges/ Cam Johnson.
- Bjelica/ Kleber/ Paul Reed( Rookie from Draft).
- Ayton/ Baynes/ Theiss.

That's a really well balanced team with both great offensive potency with adding Curry and Bjelica,
And also great defense with both Bridges and Grant being shutdown defenders on the perimeter, and Kleber and Theiss would bring amazingly good shotblocking to our frontcourt rotations.

Overall, This is what I really want most to happen!!!

Plan B-

We keep the roster as is, Resign both Oubre and Saric. And then head into free agency with maybe 12-15 million???

In free agency, We then Just add Jerami Grant for 11-12, and then TJ McConnell ( To backup Rubio) For around 3 million. and then sign Theiss using an exception?

The roster would look something like:

- Rubio/ McConnell/ Okobo.
- Booker/ Bridges/ Jerome.
- Oubre/ Cam / Bridges.
- Grant/ Saric/ Theiss.
- Ayton/ Baynes/ ***Ikey Obiagu ( draft pick).

Now my relevant questions would be-

1- Would we still have Oubres' bird rights to go over the cap and resign him, even if he's to become an UNRESTRICTED free agent.

2- Should we resign Oubre at likely over 18-20 million? Or should we look to replace him with a cheap er yet viable option if possible. knowing that resigning him would cost us a big chunk of that 30 million that we have towards 2021 free agency.

3- what exception amounts would be afforded to us, IF we use all of our cap space up to the tax apron?


Lastly, I think that the most important future acquisitions that we could make would be:

- Trade for Kleber using Johnson's expiring. Most likely in a trade like the one above with Dallas and San Antonio. His impressive shotblocking and his ability to also hit the 3 for us would be critical to our defensive improvement. And he'd easily be the best possible fit defensively next to Ayton that we could hope for honestly.

- Look at adding Jerami Grant (** Oubres' potential replacement at 6 million dollars less) for perimeter defense in free agency ( he's also shooting close to 40% on threes this season as well). Again, IF we don't resign one of Oubre or Saric. And then look to maybe sign one of either Reddick or McDermott to help boost our offense. ( Depending upon our available cap space). Adding Both or at the very least least one of either Kleber or Grant should be of the utmost priority for us around January 15th.

Thoughts?
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Re: 2019 season speculation including trade ideas 

Post#2299 » by NYG » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:44 pm

What would the Suns add to a Tyler Johnson for Marcus Morris trade?
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Re: 2019 season speculation including trade ideas 

Post#2300 » by SunsLyf3 » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:54 pm

[quote="hollywood6964"][quote="SunsLyf3"][quote="hollywood6964"]
I don't like gordon. I know this boards loves him because he kills us everytime, but on a night in night out basis, the frustration will ensue. And his contract will be huge, I'm out.[/quote]
He currently has 2 more years left after this season and the salaries are declining. He has the friendliest contract out of all our potential targets.[/quote]
20 mils too much for a 12 ppg guy on bad %'s who's only an average defender overall. Out.[/quote]
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