Bucks News, Trades, Transactions - CP3/Gallo trade idea pg.81

[humanrefutation]

Lillard would be my #1 target by a long shot.

That would require trading Bledsoe or Middleton. While im all for trading Middleton, because I dont trust him come playoff time.. and i hate that contract, I dont know if we have assets Portland wants or that we want to trade.


I honestly dont know if a ball dominant guy is something we need around giannis. Giannis is our ball dominant guy. Two might be too many. Bledsoe is doing a workman-like job. Middleton for all his flaws doesnt have a usage rate that takes the ball out of Giannis's hands.

For as much as you don't trust Middleton come playoff time, make that a double for Bledsoe.

I think we need a second guy who can be a primary shotmaker in crunch time. Lillard has shown that he has balls of steel out there in the playoffs. He's not afraid to take the big shot or make the big play. If we have to package Bledsoe in order to make a move for Dame, I'm all over it.

I don't think we've got the right pieces to get Portland on the phone, tbh, but if Dame demanded a trade here, I'd be all about it.

[raferfenix]

Bertans and a protected 2nd for Ilyasova and the Indy pick.

We know Budenholzer loves him some Ersan...but would he go for the sheer talent upgrade here?

It'd certainly be a risk to deal a pick for what will soon be an unrestricted free agency. But if the report is true that Bertans could be resigned for a not egregious amount maybe it's worth it.

Either way what's most important is whether it would move the needle on the court this season.

We got burned by Mirotic (trading a less-valued role player and less-valuable picks), but it seems like Bertans is more of a pure 3 point sniper, or what do we think?

[Matches Malone]

I'm not sure about moving Ersan. He's been a hell of a player for us for almost 2 full seasons now. He just gets it under Bud.

[TMG]

Who's the worst player you're trading Donte for?

[DingleJerry]

As probably the biggest Lillard supporter on here, unfortunately I think the ship sailed on Dame when he signed the extension in the offseason. At least for the time being, as in this year or the coming offseason. I know with how Beal signed he can't be traded until offseason, one would think this also applies to Lillard? I don't see Dame stomping his feet just yet right after signing the extension, if wanted out he should have got the ball moving on a trade in the offseason by not signing.

Also, I wouldn't be writing the Blazers off so quickly. They've started out slow like this before and still comfortably made the playoffs. True superstar and a good coach. I do think they should try to shake it up though and look for a McCollum trade. Obviously Love has been thrown around bunch. Blake could make sense too. Or I suppose if you can use Whiteside or Bazemore's contract to add another good player without using McCollum then that's good too.

[Bernman]

Who's the worst player you're trading Donte for?

There are very few players it could be justified for because his contract complements all our bloated ones and just about anybody still on their rookie contract is going to be soon up for a major raise while not providing Donte's all-around, low usage impact. It would be guys who are under-developed chuckers who maybe don't have a refined outside shot yet, constrict spacing, and probably detract from Giannis' and Middleton's game ala Kyrie still is. 2 teams have been better w/out him this season. So that type would be subtraction by addition for us.

Also worth a note that Donte shined under pressure in the national championship so could take his game to another level in the playoffs.

Donte's more valuable to us than he would be just about anybody so it really makes little sense at this point to consider a move involving him. You'd have to be really worried about his health future, and I'm not there yet, though I have some concerns w/ the way he explodes and throws his body into everything.

[TMG]

Who's the worst player you're trading Donte for?

There are very few players it could be justified for because his contract complements all our bloated ones and just about anybody still on their rookie contract is going to be soon up for a major raise while not providing Donte's all-around, low usage impact. It would be guys who are under-developed chuckers who maybe don't have a refined outside shot yet, constrict spacing, and probably detract from Giannis' and Middleton's game ala Kyrie still is. 2 teams have been better w/out him this season. So that type would be subtraction by addition for us.

Also worth a note that Donte shined under pressure in the national championship so could take his game to another level in the playoffs.

Donte's more valuable to us than he would be just about anybody so it really makes little sense at this point to consider a move involving him. You'd have to be really worried about his health future, and I'm not there yet, though I have some concerns w/ the way he explodes and throws his body into everything.

Yeah I agree, he brings so much at that price point that it's almost impossible to find a match that makes sense. Does Middleton, Donte, Indy 1st for Beal make sense?

[MickeyDavis]

I'm not sure about moving Ersan. He's been a hell of a player for us for almost 2 full seasons now. He just gets it under Bud.

Ersan is EXACTLY the kind of player a contender needs. No way he should be traded.

[Bernman]

Yeah I agree, he brings so much at that price point that it's almost impossible to find a match that makes sense. Does Middleton, Donte, Indy 1st for Beal make sense?

It doesn't to me, but I'm a believer that Middleton steps up his game for the playoffs. All we have is the anomaly against the Raptors. But that was influenced by making him chase around Kawhi imo, and it's the most recent sample so it's what some go by. So maybe it would make sense to them.

I do like Beal more than most probably. He's a low-key All NBA type, capable of 2-way play. So it would make me think about it for a bit.

At the end of the day though I'd bank on the 3 players instead for less volatility and given at least 2 could be impact players in the playoffs. The pick could be flipped for a vet 3+D big wing we need to save Middleton's legs as aforementioned. Maybe in an attempt to get another potential #2 or a 3rd in a standard big 3 the Bucks could flip Bledsoe for Holiday, anticipating the former will be a liability in the playoffs again.

[jschligs]

I'm not sure about moving Ersan. He's been a hell of a player for us for almost 2 full seasons now. He just gets it under Bud.

Ersan is EXACTLY the kind of player a contender needs. No way he should be traded.

He does the little things right and his 1-2 forced charges a game are huge.

[DanoMac]

Lillard would be my #1 target by a long shot.

That would require trading Bledsoe or Middleton. While im all for trading Middleton, because I dont trust him come playoff time.. and i hate that contract, I dont know if we have assets Portland wants or that we want to trade.


I honestly dont know if a ball dominant guy is something we need around giannis. Giannis is our ball dominant guy. Two might be too many. Bledsoe is doing a workman-like job. Middleton for all his flaws doesnt have a usage rate that takes the ball out of Giannis's hands.

What has Middleton done, specifically in the playoffs, to warrant the "don't trust him come playoff time" take? The Playoffs are what earned him a max deal.

[humanrefutation]

Lillard would be my #1 target by a long shot.

That would require trading Bledsoe or Middleton. While im all for trading Middleton, because I dont trust him come playoff time.. and i hate that contract, I dont know if we have assets Portland wants or that we want to trade.


I honestly dont know if a ball dominant guy is something we need around giannis. Giannis is our ball dominant guy. Two might be too many. Bledsoe is doing a workman-like job. Middleton for all his flaws doesnt have a usage rate that takes the ball out of Giannis's hands.

What has Middleton done, specifically in the playoffs, to warrant the "don't trust him come playoff time" take? The Playoffs are what earned him a max deal.

He had some moments in the playoffs, but did you watch him in the ECF? He was atrocious. Invisible. A total non-entity.

[tedbrogen]

That would require trading Bledsoe or Middleton. While im all for trading Middleton, because I dont trust him come playoff time.. and i hate that contract, I dont know if we have assets Portland wants or that we want to trade.


I honestly dont know if a ball dominant guy is something we need around giannis. Giannis is our ball dominant guy. Two might be too many. Bledsoe is doing a workman-like job. Middleton for all his flaws doesnt have a usage rate that takes the ball out of Giannis's hands.

What has Middleton done, specifically in the playoffs, to warrant the "don't trust him come playoff time" take? The Playoffs are what earned him a max deal.

He had some moments in the playoffs, but did you watch him in the ECF? He was atrocious. Invisible. A total non-entity.

The Raptors played great interior D, closed out well, and no one besides Hill was ready for the moment. The entire rest of the team played well below their abilities for four consecutive games.

Middleton did almost single handedly beat that Boston team that was one quarter away from the finals. And he did that with Kidd's (or his lacky's) awful defensive and offensive systems.

Middleton is the only non-Korver guy on the team with off-ball gravity. That helps Giannis even more than good shooters. Teams will still leave good three point shooters open and just hope they are cold in order to build that wall. They won't leave guys like Middleton or Korver, which means Giannis feasts.

That is also the argument that should be made to get JJ. Off-ball gravity. Imagine Hill, JJ, Middleton, and Korver out there around Giannis. Impossible to guard. That said, they would give a lot back defensively with two awful defenders out there.

[GoldenAntlers]

Lillard is the dream. I think they actually make the playoffs though.

[paulpressey25]

I'm not sure about moving Ersan. He's been a hell of a player for us for almost 2 full seasons now. He just gets it under Bud.

And to ostensibly chase Bertans, a guy who I'm guessing won't exactly mix it up on defense. Bertans stat explosion this year is due to the fact he's on the Wizards and given a green light.

[Chuck Diesel]

Wouldn’t trade Ersan for Bertans because of chemistry/the curse Ersan’s shaman might cast, but Bertans is a better deep shooter than Ersan is anything. I’m hoping he’s who eventually replaces Ilyasova.

[M-C-G]

I'm not sure about moving Ersan. He's been a hell of a player for us for almost 2 full seasons now. He just gets it under Bud.

Ersan is EXACTLY the kind of player a contender needs. No way he should be traded.

This is correct. Not to mention, if you are a NON MKE contender, wouldn't you love to have the premier charge taker in the league to battle Giannis?

I sure would.

[AussieBuck]

I'm not sure about moving Ersan. He's been a hell of a player for us for almost 2 full seasons now. He just gets it under Bud.

Ersan is EXACTLY the kind of player a contender needs. No way he should be traded.

This is correct. Not to mention, if you are a NON MKE contender, wouldn't you love to have the premier charge taker in the league to battle Giannis?

I sure would.

yep. Giannis would murder him 8 times out of 10 but the other 2 times he's picking up fouls he can't afford.

[RiotPunch]

I'm not sure about moving Ersan. He's been a hell of a player for us for almost 2 full seasons now. He just gets it under Bud.

Ersan is EXACTLY the kind of player a contender needs. No way he should be traded.

This is correct. Not to mention, if you are a NON MKE contender, wouldn't you love to have the premier charge taker in the league to battle Giannis?

I sure would.

I know I would.

[DanoMac]

That would require trading Bledsoe or Middleton. While im all for trading Middleton, because I dont trust him come playoff time.. and i hate that contract, I dont know if we have assets Portland wants or that we want to trade.


I honestly dont know if a ball dominant guy is something we need around giannis. Giannis is our ball dominant guy. Two might be too many. Bledsoe is doing a workman-like job. Middleton for all his flaws doesnt have a usage rate that takes the ball out of Giannis's hands.

What has Middleton done, specifically in the playoffs, to warrant the "don't trust him come playoff time" take? The Playoffs are what earned him a max deal.

He had some moments in the playoffs, but did you watch him in the ECF? He was atrocious. Invisible. A total non-entity.

Ok. So was Giannis, doesn't mean I'm not trusting him in the Playoffs. Middleton's been marvelous in every other series.