Bucks News, Trades, Transactions - CP3/Gallo trade idea pg.81

FlagsFlyForever · Post #1341 » by **FlagsFlyForever** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:11 am

Matches Malone wrote:I'm not sure about moving Ersan. He's been a hell of a player for us for almost 2 full seasons now. He just gets it under Bud.

More like nine seasons. People seriously underrate what Ersan adds to a team. He always knows where to be and what to do on offense and defense.

blazza18 · Post #1342 » by **blazza18** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:35 am

DanoMac wrote:
humanrefutation wrote:
DanoMac wrote:
What has Middleton done, specifically in the playoffs, to warrant the "don't trust him come playoff time" take? The Playoffs are what earned him a max deal.

He had some moments in the playoffs, but did you watch him in the ECF? He was atrocious. Invisible. A total non-entity.

Ok. So was Giannis, doesn't mean I'm not trusting him in the Playoffs. Middleton's been marvelous in every other series.

When the pressure has been off Khris has been wonderful.

Post #1343 » by **humanrefutation** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 1:54 am

blazza18 wrote:
DanoMac wrote:
humanrefutation wrote:
He had some moments in the playoffs, but did you watch him in the ECF? He was atrocious. Invisible. A total non-entity.

Ok. So was Giannis, doesn't mean I'm not trusting him in the Playoffs. Middleton's been marvelous in every other series.

When the pressure has been off Khris has been wonderful.

When Giannis is being quadruple teamed, of course he's going to struggle. What's Khris's excuse? He should have been feasting off of Giannis. Instead, he was barely there. It wasn't just an underwhelming performance from Khris. He literally put up numbers you'd expect from your 8th guy instead of your #2.

ElliotLamonte · Post #1344 » by **ElliotLamonte** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:47 pm

ElPeregrino wrote:
Matches Malone wrote:I'm not sure about moving Ersan. He's been a hell of a player for us for almost 2 full seasons now. He just gets it under Bud.

More like nine seasons. People seriously underrate what Ersan adds to a team. He always knows where to be and what to do on offense and defense.

I agree. I dont think you can trade Ersan unless you are bringing in a serious needle mover. He plays winning basketball.

raferfenix · Post #1345 » by **raferfenix** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:39 pm

So it's not like the Wizards would insist on Ersan in a Bertans trade, rather it'd just be about getting contracts to work alongside the Pacers pick.

Ersan has a convenient contract towards these ends, however, there are other non-Ersan-based Bertans scenarios that could work:

1. RoLo + Bender + Pacers pick

2. DJ + Korver + Bender + Pacers pick

I similarly would get arguments it wouldn't be worth jettisoning the lesser Lopez or Wilson or even coach's pet Korver considering how well our team is doing right now.

But someone would lose out on minutes if we were to get Bertans, so if we really valued him highly enough to deal one of the few future firsts we have in the foreseeable future, I think we'd figure out the pieces needed to make the salaries work under the cap.

TroyD92 · Post #1346 » by **TroyD92** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:08 am

Some of the trade ideas I see on Instagram make me cringe. Derozan for bledose ? Lmao

old skool · Post #1347 » by **old skool** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:10 am

The Bucks cannot afford to trade either Lopez brother or Ilyasova without getting a big defender in return. If one of those three is lost to injury the Bucks are would be incredibly vulnerable in the paint. They need three big defenders.

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Xanadu · Post #1348 » by **Xanadu** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:49 am

Still really want Bogdan but I am now unwilling to use DDV in a trade. Bogdan is still something this team is missing a primary off ball threat who is great secondary playmaker. Not to mention the ice in his veins. The Kings will not make him a starter and I think he wants to be one. I trust his shot creation abilities and think his numbers would balloon I'm Buds system. Seems like a pipe dream now. Despite this teams obvious greatness it's all about April. I won't trust our secondary options until they show out on the biggest stage. A finals appearance isn't enough lol. I want that ring and I believe Bogdan could be a all Star calbier player with the right coach/system. People might be worried about chemistry. But I think his fire and competitive spirit match Giannis to a T.

Xanadu · Post #1349 » by **Xanadu** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:55 am

Ohh yeah DDV is the perfect complimentary piece. He also has room to improve to be a 3rd option imo. It all depends on if he can improve his ability to finish through contact. Also his off the dribble three needs to make a huge jump. But his baseline skills like handles defense and off the catch shooting make for a long career. He sort of reminds me of young George Hill lol.

raferfenix · Post #1350 » by **raferfenix** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:30 pm

old skool wrote:The Bucks cannot afford to trade either Lopez brother or Ilyasova without getting a big defender in return. If one of those three is lost to injury the Bucks are would be incredibly vulnerable in the paint. They need three big defenders.

If this is the case then maybe DJ would be the odd man out.

At least if the Bucks want to make a move with the Pacers pick and need some salary to attach.

raferfenix · Post #1351 » by **raferfenix** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:36 pm

DJ + Bender + Korver (or Sterling Brown) -- paired with the Pacers pick -- is enough salary for the Bucks to acquire either Bogdon or Bertans.

Now I don't know if the Bucks value either of those guys enough to trade a FRP as well as shuffle up our lineup.

But if we did, that package seems like plenty of value to at least be in the discussion with the Kings and Wizards.

Maybe we'd be willing to include Brown over Korver but I can't see Donte being on the table in either scenario.

tedbrogen · Post #1352 » by **tedbrogen** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 7:55 pm

Something to remember about trading Korver or Ersan is that they will likely then receive their release to sign with a contender, and potentially end up in Philly.

Post #1353 » by **Prez** » Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:43 am

Lowe on this Woj/Lowe trade show saying the Bucks are interested in RoCo and Redick and will take a look if they become available, and would go into the tax for the right move

ackypoo · Post #1354 » by **ackypoo** » Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:54 am

Prez wrote:Lowe on this Woj/Lowe trade show saying the Bucks are interested in RoCo and Redick and will take a look if they become available, and would go into the tax for the right move

im not even sure who either of these 2 would be an upgrade over?

Shaffty · Post #1355 » by **Shaffty** » Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:06 am

ackypoo wrote:
Prez wrote:Lowe on this Woj/Lowe trade show saying the Bucks are interested in RoCo and Redick and will take a look if they become available, and would go into the tax for the right move

im not even sure who either of these 2 would be an upgrade over?

both an upgarde over WES

HKPackFan · Post #1356 » by **HKPackFan** » Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:15 am

Any word on Wes?

He left mid game, did he get hurt?

Bernman · Post #1357 » by **Bernman** » Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:19 am

Prez wrote:Lowe on this Woj/Lowe trade show saying the Bucks are interested in RoCo and Redick and will take a look if they become available, and would go into the tax for the right move

Not the type of players the Bucks need. Another old guy in the case of Redick. Right combo of experience and relative youth w/ Covington but not good enough defense or another core player. Bucks need 3+d big wings or offensive creators who don't bog them down who are preferably around the average age for the NBA - Crowder or Holiday as examples.

blazza18 · Post #1358 » by **blazza18** » Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:26 am

Shaffty wrote:
ackypoo wrote:
Prez wrote:Lowe on this Woj/Lowe trade show saying the Bucks are interested in RoCo and Redick and will take a look if they become available, and would go into the tax for the right move

im not even sure who either of these 2 would be an upgrade over?

both an upgarde over WES

By both you mean 1 of them.

MAC1987 · Post #1359 » by **MAC1987** » Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:26 am

Well said
+999999999

Bernman wrote:
Prez wrote:Lowe on this Woj/Lowe trade show saying the Bucks are interested in RoCo and Redick and will take a look if they become available, and would go into the tax for the right move

Not the type of players the Bucks need. Another old guy in the case of Redick. Right combo of experience and relative youth w/ Covington but not good enough defense or another core player. Bucks need 3+d big wings or offensive creators who don't bog them down who are preferably around the average age for the NBA - Crowder or Holiday as examples.

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Post #1360 » by **Prez** » Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:34 am

Bernman wrote:
Prez wrote:Lowe on this Woj/Lowe trade show saying the Bucks are interested in RoCo and Redick and will take a look if they become available, and would go into the tax for the right move

Not the type of players the Bucks need. Another old guy in the case of Redick. Right combo of experience and relative youth w/ Covington but not good enough defense or another core player. Bucks need 3+d big wings or offensive creators who don't bog them down who are preferably around the average age for the NBA - Crowder or Holiday as examples.

I’m confused on this Roco take, good Roco is one of the better 3&D role player wings in the game and the hope would be he’d have a resurgence similar to what Wes and Hill have seen here. No doubt in my mind that Roco would be good here if he’s healthy and has time to get comfortable.