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Re: 2019 season speculation including trade ideas 

Post#2301 » by hollywood6964 » Sat Dec 14, 2019 9:08 pm

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SunsLyf3 wrote:He currently has 2 more years left after this season and the salaries are declining. He has the friendliest contract out of all our potential targets.

20 mils too much for a 12 ppg guy on bad %'s who's only an average defender overall. Out.

20 mill
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That 2 mil persuaded me, I'll take him.

Still out.
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Post#2302 » by Revived » Sat Dec 14, 2019 9:37 pm

NYG wrote:What would the Suns add to a Tyler Johnson for Marcus Morris trade?

A bag of feces?

Seriously, the Suns wouldn’t take Marcus Morris if the Knicks threw in picks with him. Him and his brother burnt the bridge here pretty badly.
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Re: 2019 season speculation including trade ideas 

Post#2303 » by cberry78 » Sat Dec 14, 2019 9:49 pm

NYG wrote:What would the Suns add to a Tyler Johnson for Marcus Morris trade?

A one-way ticket from NYK to anywhere that's not PHX.
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Re: 2019 season speculation including trade ideas 

Post#2304 » by bwgood77 » Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:10 pm

SunsLyf3 wrote:
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Dual wrote:
Nevertheless he tortured us with his 3s :lol:
I'm all in about Gordon, of all the candidates is the younger and give us athleticism and defense, which we lack.
Aldrige is a great ofensive weapon but on defense is slow and not so good.
Do you guys really think Magic will trade Gordon? If is a yes is a no brainer for me.

I don't like gordon. I know this boards loves him because he kills us everytime, but on a night in night out basis, the frustration will ensue. And his contract will be huge, I'm out.

He currently has 2 more years left after this season and the salaries are declining. He has the friendliest contract out of all our potential targets.


Yeah, his contract isn't as bad as the others, but I don't see Orlando trading him yet. Probably if they do, it will be when I Isaac's second contract kicks in.
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Post#2305 » by Qwigglez » Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:17 am

Frank Kaminsky is now trade eligible. Kelly Oubre can’t be traded until January 15th.
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Post#2306 » by Qwigglez » Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:36 am

Tyler Johnson, Jevon Carter, 2nd round pick for Patty Mills, Trey Lyles. Better depth and more experience in the backcourt.
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Post#2307 » by spanishninja » Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:12 am

Qwigglez wrote:Tyler Johnson, Jevon Carter, 2nd round pick for Patty Mills, Trey Lyles. Better depth and more experience in the backcourt.


yeah I think now the focus should shift to the backup PG. Once Ayton comes back the 4 will not be as much of an issue, especially with Saric playing better
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Post#2308 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:45 am

Qwigglez wrote:Frank Kaminsky is now trade eligible. Kelly Oubre can’t be traded until January 15th.


The two trades that I want to happen most of all are with Saric and Oubre ( in separate trades) that would upgrade multiple roster positions.

Trade #1- ( Tyler Johnsons' expiring/ Dario Saric/ Jevon Carter) and a *** Phoenix future lottery protected first.

Phoenix/ San Antonio/ Dallas:

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7256439 .

Phoenix gets-
Courtney Lee's 12 million expiring, Maxi Kleber, and Seth Curry.

San Antonio gets-
Tyler Johnson's expiring, Dario Saric/ Jevon Carter/ and a Phoenix future lottery protected first.

Dallas gets-
LaMarcus Aldridge ( or Demarr Derozan. At their discretion).

***I love this trade because it gets us a great shotblocking power forward/ center in Maxi Kleber) and a great backup shooting guard in (Seth Curry) to backup Booker.

Then trade # 2- ( Kelly Oubre and Frank Kaminsky).

Phoenix/ Denver/ Memphis:

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7256443 .

Phoenix gets-
Jerami Grant/ Tyus Jones.

Denver gets-
Andre Iguodala. ***

Memphis gets-
Kelly Oubre/ Frank Kaminsky/ Juan Hernangomez. and a Phoenix future lottery protected first.

I love this trade because we get back Jerami Grant who is a terrific shotblocker and a lockdown perimeter defender who is hitting close to 39% on threes. And also is versatile enough to play at either the small forward or the power forward position. Also we get a really good backup point guard in Tyus Jones. So even though we give up:

- Tyler Johnson's expiring contract.

- Dario Saric. ( not consistent, or athletic enough).

- kelly Oubre. ( likely prices himself out of our range in the market).

-Frank Kaminsky. ( Too inconsistent and provides almost no defense whatsoever).

-Jevon Carter.( Barely a rotation player for us currently).

*** 2 Phoenix future lottery protected first round picks. Maybe ( 2023 for San Antonio) and 2025 for Memphis). Worth including to upgrade multiple positions and get more competitive.

So we ultimately back two great defensive, shotblocking forwards at the 3 and 4 in:

Jerami Grant-
A 6'9 lockdown perimeter defender and shotblocking 3/4 . Who is also shooting close to 40% on threes.

Tyus Jones-
A very good floor general and backup point guard. One of the top backup guards in the entire league.

Maxi Kleber-
A 6'11 mobile shotblocking expert. Can play power forward and Center. And is shooting close to 37% on threes.

Seth Curry-
A very good perimeter shooting guard who is a lethal 3 point shooter ( just like his brother Steph Curry).

So our roster post trades would look something like this:

-Rubio/ Tyus Jones/ Okobo.
- Booker/ Curry/ Jerome.
- Grant/ Bridges/ Cam Johnson.
- Kleber/ Theiss/ Paul Reed ( draft ).
- Ayton/ Baynes/ Theiss.

That's really solid offense with:
Rubio, Booker, Seth Curry, Cam Johnson, Ayton.

And really great defense with :
Tyus Jones, Bridges/ Grant, Kleber, Theiss.

*** Both Bridges and Grant are lockdown perimeter defenders. And both Kleber and Theiss are are excellent shotblockers and rebounders in the frontcourt. These trades would make us very competitive and deep at almost every position too.
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Re: 2019 season speculation including trade ideas 

Post#2309 » by bwgood77 » Sun Dec 15, 2019 5:35 am

538 projections now dropped us to 10th

Lakers 60-22
Clippers 58-24
Rockets 56-26
Nuggets 53-29
Mavericks 49-33
Jazz 49-33
Thunder 39-43
Blazers 39-43
Timberwolves 39-43
Suns 37-45 (still better than most of our projections before season with Ayton)
Kings 36-46
Pelicans 36-46

They also have the Grizzlies ahead of the Spurs, 29 wins to 28, and Warriors last.

Figures Warriors will get like a top 6 pick and Curry and Klay back.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-nba-predictions/
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Post#2310 » by Bogyo » Sun Dec 15, 2019 8:10 am

bwgood77 wrote:538 projections now dropped us to 10th

Lakers 60-22
Clippers 58-24
Rockets 56-26
Nuggets 53-29
Mavericks 49-33
Jazz 49-33
Thunder 39-43
Blazers 39-43
Timberwolves 39-43
Suns 37-45 (still better than most of our projections before season with Ayton)
Kings 36-46
Pelicans 36-46

They also have the Grizzlies ahead of the Spurs, 29 wins to 28, and Warriors last.

Figures Warriors will get like a top 6 pick and Curry and Klay back.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-nba-predictions/


So we'll have a chance to win the lottery! :)

Jokes aside, I believe once we're back at full strenght, we are better than 2 of the 3 ahead of us here. Thunder most likely will trade 1-2 vets around the deadline, and will tank a bit. Wolves is KAT and nothing else, although they will be buyers at hthe deadline. I still don't trust the Blazers, paper thin up front, and somehow Dame and CJ are not as forceful as they were last couple of years.
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Post#2311 » by nevetsov » Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:30 pm

Qwigglez wrote:Tyler Johnson, Jevon Carter, 2nd round pick for Patty Mills, Trey Lyles. Better depth and more experience in the backcourt.


I love it Quiggz, but if the Spurs rebuild I don't think they throw in youth like Lyles. They'll be looking for young prospects and salary relief.

Mills is criminally underrated to anyone outside of Texas and Australia, so there will be offers for him.

I would offer:

Tyler Johnson ($19m expiring)
Frank Kaminsky ($5.5m, TO next year)
Elie Okobo ($2m rookie contract with upside)
Lotto protected 1st next year

For

Mills ($12m, $13m next year)
Gay ($14.5m, $14.5m next year)

PHX:
- gets 48 minutes of quality PG play
- unites Aussie teammates Mills and Baynes
- retains 1st if we miss the playoffs
- should still have enough to keep Baynes and Saric next season

Rubio, Mills
Booker, Bridges
Oubre, Johnson
Saric, Gay
Ayton, Baynes

(Gay probably won't play much as 10th man.)

SAS:
- acquires a rookie controlled playmaker - French connection to Tony Parker
- has a cheap option on Kaminsky next year
- removes Gay's $14m from next year and up to $25.5m total if Kaminsky declined and swapping mills for Okobo
- likely adds a mid 1st

Murray, Okobo
White, Forbes
DeRozan, Walker IV
Lyles, Kaminsky
Aldridge, Poetl
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Re: 2019 season speculation including trade ideas 

Post#2312 » by bwgood77 » Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:35 pm

Bogyo wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:538 projections now dropped us to 10th

Lakers 60-22
Clippers 58-24
Rockets 56-26
Nuggets 53-29
Mavericks 49-33
Jazz 49-33
Thunder 39-43
Blazers 39-43
Timberwolves 39-43
Suns 37-45 (still better than most of our projections before season with Ayton)
Kings 36-46
Pelicans 36-46

They also have the Grizzlies ahead of the Spurs, 29 wins to 28, and Warriors last.

Figures Warriors will get like a top 6 pick and Curry and Klay back.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-nba-predictions/


So we'll have a chance to win the lottery! :)

Jokes aside, I believe once we're back at full strenght, we are better than 2 of the 3 ahead of us here. Thunder most likely will trade 1-2 vets around the deadline, and will tank a bit. Wolves is KAT and nothing else, although they will be buyers at hthe deadline. I still don't trust the Blazers, paper thin up front, and somehow Dame and CJ are not as forceful as they were last couple of years.


We'll see. I thought we'd probably make it before last night's loss. Just seems we find ways to lose and that Booker is injury prone...and a lot of our players seem to be. I do agree that if the Thunder become sellers, obviously they finish behind us, but that remains to be seen. A lot of people expect this trade season to be tame because no one has cap space.

We are better than Minnesota I think. I think Portland will probably rise up though. I though they might be too far behind, but if this is projecting us with the same record, Lillard and company just have so much experience that I won't be surprised if they go on a run to get ahead of us. They would with Nurkic. I know their team has changed, so they have gone from me thinking they would be behind us to maybe 50/50.

The Kings - I have no idea with them, but in that other poll I picked them and us. I think they have a slightly better chance. With the Pelicans, it feels they have too much ground to give up, and it depends on Zion and their injuries. They are about even with us with them missing Zion and Favors and us missing Ayton, so who is helped more with their return? Most I'm sure would say them. They have been extremely thin up front. I know we have too but they are playing Ingram at PF with a rookie C..

No idea about the Spurs and why they are so low.

My guess is if Thunder stay together they finish ahead of us.
Blazers, Kings and us are a toss up. Blazers likely make a trade.

Still tough to guess.

Obviously it depends on how much of a game changer he is. Even if he just plays like last year he makes us better, at least offensively. Not better defensively than when Baynes was starting and we were a top defensive team, but since they are deciding to bring him off the bench he would help.

But mainly in getting rebounds and not allowing other team to get offensive rebounds. Hopefully he grabs some offensive rebounds for us too
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Re: 2019 season speculation including trade ideas 

Post#2313 » by hollywood6964 » Sun Dec 15, 2019 3:32 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Bogyo wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:538 projections now dropped us to 10th

Lakers 60-22
Clippers 58-24
Rockets 56-26
Nuggets 53-29
Mavericks 49-33
Jazz 49-33
Thunder 39-43
Blazers 39-43
Timberwolves 39-43
Suns 37-45 (still better than most of our projections before season with Ayton)
Kings 36-46
Pelicans 36-46

They also have the Grizzlies ahead of the Spurs, 29 wins to 28, and Warriors last.

Figures Warriors will get like a top 6 pick and Curry and Klay back.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-nba-predictions/


So we'll have a chance to win the lottery! :)

Jokes aside, I believe once we're back at full strenght, we are better than 2 of the 3 ahead of us here. Thunder most likely will trade 1-2 vets around the deadline, and will tank a bit. Wolves is KAT and nothing else, although they will be buyers at hthe deadline. I still don't trust the Blazers, paper thin up front, and somehow Dame and CJ are not as forceful as they were last couple of years.


We'll see. I thought we'd probably make it before last night's loss. Just seems we find ways to lose and that Booker is injury prone...and a lot of our players seem to be. I do agree that if the Thunder become sellers, obviously they finish behind us, but that remains to be seen. A lot of people expect this trade season to be tame because no one has cap space.

We are better than Minnesota I think. I think Portland will probably rise up though. I though they might be too far behind, but if this is projecting us with the same record, Lillard and company just have so much experience that I won't be surprised if they go on a run to get ahead of us. They would with Nurkic. I know their team has changed, so they have gone from me thinking they would be behind us to maybe 50/50.

The Kings - I have no idea with them, but in that other poll I picked them and us. I think they have a slightly better chance. With the Pelicans, it feels they have too much ground to give up, and it depends on Zion and their injuries. They are about even with us with them missing Zion and Favors and us missing Ayton, so who is helped more with their return? Most I'm sure would say them. They have been extremely thin up front. I know we have too but they are playing Ingram at PF with a rookie C..

No idea about the Spurs and why they are so low.

My guess is if Thunder stay together they finish ahead of us.
Blazers, Kings and us are a toss up. Blazers likely make a trade.

Still tough to guess.

Obviously it depends on how much of a game changer he is. Even if he just plays like last year he makes us better, at least offensively. Not better defensively than when Baynes was starting and we were a top defensive team, but since they are deciding to bring him off the bench he would help.

But mainly in getting rebounds and not allowing other team to get offensive rebounds. Hopefully he grabs some offensive rebounds for us too

I think health has been the biggest factor for us. Yeah there's some dumb dumb in this team, but when healthy well be better than most teams to the point where we don't have to make last second, critical decisions. I still think we go on a tear n get back in the hunt. If they can stay healthy, FFS.
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Post#2314 » by Dual » Sun Dec 15, 2019 3:36 pm

Barring a major injury by Ricky or Booker, we are a playoff team for sure.
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Post#2315 » by hollywood6964 » Sun Dec 15, 2019 3:44 pm

Dual wrote:Barring a major injury by Ricky or Booker, we are a playoff team for sure.

I think any injuries really to Baynes, Booker, Ayton or Rubio. It's like that stretch of injuries with Rubio and then Baynes out for quite some time, derailed the way they were playing. The hustle on defense, the running of the offense, it just all came apart. Really shaky mentally with this team- and especially with a bad coach in Monty Williams. But if healthy I think they'll be fine, even push up the ladder n contend for a 6 spot.
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Post#2316 » by Fo-Real » Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:01 pm

NYG wrote:What would the Suns add to a Tyler Johnson for Marcus Morris trade?


You obviously dont know your history. Marcus would only be allowed back to Jimmy Hoffa him and swear we dont know where he went. He not only burned his bridge on the way out, he punched every baby and slapped every grandma he passed as he left. You couldn't pay the organization to take him.
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Post#2317 » by Frank Lee » Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:14 pm

You guys looking to trade need to acknowledge we have so little value to offer except for the expiring contracts of Shank, Saric and Tyler Johnson, a lightly protected Lottery or mid teen pick, and may be one of Oko or TyJerome. I think Bridges is off the table unless we are getting a better than Love/Griffin return.

The pickins are slim for a PF this year. Next yr, FA elders Milsap, Ibaka, Favors all will be seeking homes, likely contending ones so we'd have to over pay (unless we peak out this year with a nice run). Jerami Grant will probably opt out, but I doubt Denver will let him go. Do we throw a chunky 20+ mill at him to try to get Denver to flinch ? We could have upwards of 35mil in space. Perhaps we let Denver overspend on Grant, then try to sneak in and snag Monte Morris? May be we trade self anointed poster boy Oubre

Thinking we will get better by keeping this team intact should not be a prime consideration. I see little harm in the Bird in the Hand move for Love. If you can get him, do it. Griffin? Not so sure as the ticket will punch out higher. And Unless we get a nudge nudge wink wink back-roomer agreement, waiting and hoping for next yr leaves the mediocre door wide open.

We cannot stand pat nor rely upon the draft. Any opportunity to improve from here out, should be strongly considered.

PS.... whoops... looks like Denver has Morris locked up through 2020
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Post#2318 » by hollywood6964 » Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:39 pm

Grant could be a very nice player for us. Other than that, I'm out on Love or Griffin.

I like Favors, but his lack of a 3 might clog the middle, unless decides he's going to shoot it. but then again, I'd rather see Ayton more mid to inside.

Unless they get something good, namely a backup pg (Mills, Augestin), I'm standing pat for at least 10 games to see where the current roster is.
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Post#2319 » by bwgood77 » Sun Dec 15, 2019 5:08 pm

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Post#2320 » by Dual » Sun Dec 15, 2019 5:29 pm

hollywood6964 wrote:Grant could be a very nice player for us. Other than that, I'm out on Love or Griffin.

I like Favors, but his lack of a 3 might clog the middle, unless decides he's going to shoot it. but then again, I'd rather see Ayton more mid to inside.

Unless they get something good, namely a backup pg (Mills, Augestin), I'm standing pat for at least 10 games to see where the current roster is.

Grant is perfect fit.
Favors is a center really, he can play some minutes at pf, but he excels at center position

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