Miami Heat Regular Season Thread - Part 1 - Can You Feel It?

[oreon]

I like eye in the sky, I’ve said that before. However i’d caution you have to take anything he says about Winslow with a grain of salt, he tends to “put on” extra when it comes to him since he’s warred with a lot of the heat beat guys who tend to be more pro-Winslow. Looking at this logically, he’s played 34 mins a game, there’s no reason for him to be unhappy with any role given the amount of time Spo plays him.

seems less about Winslow and more about an anti-Spo and coaching staff narrative he’s been pushing for a while relating back to Hassan. what ever happened to the report that Dragic was next to publicly rebel about his role? Dragic has been the most professional and has publicly embraced his role. Winslow has barely played this season.. so we’re led to believe he’s complaining even though he’s been out 3/4th of the season (with no timeline on returns yet) when he’s never made a fuss before? sure i guess lol

I wonder why he's out though. Is he "sick" like Dion and JJ have been? Can't really tell with this team. I like Winny, he's a nice role player on a good deal, but he'd be just as good as a trade piece for someone better.

Bam & Herro have shown more than he ever has.

I wouldn't necessarily agree. He's shown it but less frequently. Wing players who can create their own shot and for others and defend an elite level are what help you win championships. But with Winslow it's one step foward one back. His 3 point shot looked good last season and now it's looks completly broken again. And I don't understand how you can get to the rim and miss so many layups. If he ever figures it, he could be as good as Butler. But I don't think he ever will, I guess a really bad touch can't be fixed.

[Kobewade11]

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That’s just postering. Dlo is as good as traded come deadline. And I hope we don’t get involved. Don’t care for him much. Not really what we need.

There’s no incentive for the Warriors to trade D. Lo right now..They’re at rock bottom, picking up a piece to add a few wins doesnt really help them. Draft night, when everyone is healthy, now that may be a different story.

[Bourne85]

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That’s just postering. Dlo is as good as traded come deadline. And I hope we don’t get involved. Don’t care for him much. Not really what we need.

There’s no incentive for the Warriors to trade D. Lo right now..They’re at rock bottom, picking up a piece to add a few wins doesnt really help them. Draft night, when everyone is healthy, now that may be a different story.

Your likely right on when he is traded, but traded he will be. Him and that juicy pick they getting this year packaged together makes them reload real quick. I expect them back in the finals next season if health permits and they trade for the right piece. Time will tell but Dlo won’t be a Warrior come next season 100%

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Don't get why nunn would be untouchable...value may be as high as it will ever be and we've seen him struggle against the good/lengthy teams. Only issue is his contract isn't ideal for salary matching, but we've sure got dead salary aplenty that we can add on

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Don't get why nunn would be untouchable...value may be as high as it will ever be and we've seen him struggle against the good/lengthy teams. Only issue is his contract isn't ideal for salary matching, but we've sure got dead salary aplenty that we can add on

Nunn has a very low cap hold the summer of 2021 which allows Miami the ability to sign a big free agent and then resign him. He and Robinson are in the same position, I guess Miami sees more upside with Nunn although I'm nearly as high on Robinson.

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Don't get why nunn would be untouchable...value may be as high as it will ever be and we've seen him struggle against the good/lengthy teams. Only issue is his contract isn't ideal for salary matching, but we've sure got dead salary aplenty that we can add on

Nunn has a very low cap hold the summer of 2021 which allows Miami the ability to sign a big free agent and then resign him. He and Robinson are in the same position, I guess Miami sees more upside with Nunn although I'm nearly as high on Robinson.

hmm true. still wouldn't consider him untouchable in this context though

[AirP.]

Don't get why nunn would be untouchable...value may be as high as it will ever be and we've seen him struggle against the good/lengthy teams. Only issue is his contract isn't ideal for salary matching, but we've sure got dead salary aplenty that we can add on

Nunn has a very low cap hold the summer of 2021 which allows Miami the ability to sign a big free agent and then resign him. He and Robinson are in the same position, I guess Miami sees more upside with Nunn although I'm nearly as high on Robinson.

hmm true. still wouldn't consider him untouchable in this context though

I'd consider Nunn and Robinson close to untouchable, I'm sure the Heat would listen to offers but if you're having to take back someone who will cost a lot in 2021 or will have a large-cap hold in 2021, you gotta decide if Nunn + possible max free agent worth less than whatever you get for Nunn now? The guys who'd be available are older, like Love, DeRozen, Aldridge, possibly Blake, not really heard of anyone really good in their mid or late 20s that is available.

[Chalm Down]

Nunn has a very low cap hold the summer of 2021 which allows Miami the ability to sign a big free agent and then resign him. He and Robinson are in the same position, I guess Miami sees more upside with Nunn although I'm nearly as high on Robinson.

hmm true. still wouldn't consider him untouchable in this context though

I'd consider Nunn and Robinson close to untouchable, I'm sure the Heat would listen to offers but if you're having to take back someone who will cost a lot in 2021 or will have a large-cap hold in 2021, you gotta decide if Nunn + possible max free agent worth less than whatever you get for Nunn now? The guys who'd be available are older, like Love, DeRozen, Aldridge, possibly Blake, not really heard of anyone really good in their mid or late 20s that is available.

Yeah, in terms of realistic stars (or really past-prime stars in this market), there's not much that makes sense for us. Most of the legit guys just got locked up this past summer and/or are on currently contending teams.

If there is a trade out there for nunn or whoever, I think it would be more like a young C on a rookie contract or something.

[Wiltside]

What would a combo of Adams and Gallinari cost us realistically? Could we afford it?

[Wiltside]

hmm true. still wouldn't consider him untouchable in this context though

I'd consider Nunn and Robinson close to untouchable, I'm sure the Heat would listen to offers but if you're having to take back someone who will cost a lot in 2021 or will have a large-cap hold in 2021, you gotta decide if Nunn + possible max free agent worth less than whatever you get for Nunn now? The guys who'd be available are older, like Love, DeRozen, Aldridge, possibly Blake, not really heard of anyone really good in their mid or late 20s that is available.

Yeah, in terms of realistic stars (or really past-prime stars in this market), there's not much that makes sense for us. Most of the legit guys just got locked up this past summer and/or are on currently contending teams.

If there is a trade out there for nunn or whoever, I think it would be more like a young C on a rookie contract or something.

Would you do Nunn for Bamba? Risky.

[twix2500]

What would a combo of Adams and Gallinari cost us realistically? Could we afford it?

That's 48 mill worth of contracts. That's gutting the team for two role players

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[Hallstar]

seems less about Winslow and more about an anti-Spo and coaching staff narrative he’s been pushing for a while relating back to Hassan. what ever happened to the report that Dragic was next to publicly rebel about his role? Dragic has been the most professional and has publicly embraced his role. Winslow has barely played this season.. so we’re led to believe he’s complaining even though he’s been out 3/4th of the season (with no timeline on returns yet) when he’s never made a fuss before? sure i guess lol

I wonder why he's out though. Is he "sick" like Dion and JJ have been? Can't really tell with this team. I like Winny, he's a nice role player on a good deal, but he'd be just as good as a trade piece for someone better.

Bam & Herro have shown more than he ever has.

I wouldn't necessarily agree. He's shown it but less frequently. Wing players who can create their own shot and for others and defend an elite level are what help you win championships. But with Winslow it's one step foward one back. His 3 point shot looked good last season and now it's looks completly broken again. And I don't understand how you can get to the rim and miss so many layups. If he ever figures it, he could be as good as Butler. But I don't think he ever will, I guess a really bad touch can't be fixed.

His jumper looked half decent last year because he was completely ignored by the defense. This year they're paying attention to him because we tried to expand his role and he's back to who he was. His defense is the only thing he's shown with any consistency that can keep him in the league.

[twix2500]

So if Heat are keeping Nunn, Bam and Butler off the table. Too me it appears they are trying to set themselves up for a star shooting guard aka Bradley Beal. I'm sure Herro and Duncan are off the table until that happens. It's also been said they are not willing to add a sweetener to just move Dion. So that tells me they are willing to package Winslow, Dragic, Olynk, Leonard Dion and JJ for a player(s) they covet.

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[Hallstar]

As far as bigs, if we're smart, we target Nerlens Noel, and hope Bam develops his jumper to midrange. Noel is on a min deal but dude is a producer and can anchor a defense when he's on.

[twix2500]

Maybe something to this nature?


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[Bourne85]

I wonder why he's out though. Is he "sick" like Dion and JJ have been? Can't really tell with this team. I like Winny, he's a nice role player on a good deal, but he'd be just as good as a trade piece for someone better.

Bam & Herro have shown more than he ever has.

I wouldn't necessarily agree. He's shown it but less frequently. Wing players who can create their own shot and for others and defend an elite level are what help you win championships. But with Winslow it's one step foward one back. His 3 point shot looked good last season and now it's looks completly broken again. And I don't understand how you can get to the rim and miss so many layups. If he ever figures it, he could be as good as Butler. But I don't think he ever will, I guess a really bad touch can't be fixed.

His jumper looked half decent last year because he was completely ignored by the defense. This year they're paying attention to him because we tried to expand his role and he's back to who he was. His defense is the only thing he's shown with any consistency that can keep him in the league.

Yup, I argued with a retired mod here explaining to him that Winslow’s “improved” shooting is coming from teams leaving him WIDE open. Basically daring him to shoot. Any time he is guarded, it’s a guaranteed brick/air ball. This season he wasn’t getting those same shots and his efficiency or lack there of has fallen off as suspected. He isn’t a shooter or a scorer and he just never will be. A good defensive role player, yes. A starting PG in this league? No. An up an coming star in this league? No. Adjust your expectations to defensive role player specialist.

Either way I feel our days of discussing Winslow are coming to a close.

[twix2500]

After watching Butler for 2 months are we really still saying Winslow is a layup away from being as good as Butler? C'mon, Bulter shot has been weak so far and Winslow is still 100 miles away from being as good as Butler.

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[Chalm Down]

I'd consider Nunn and Robinson close to untouchable, I'm sure the Heat would listen to offers but if you're having to take back someone who will cost a lot in 2021 or will have a large-cap hold in 2021, you gotta decide if Nunn + possible max free agent worth less than whatever you get for Nunn now? The guys who'd be available are older, like Love, DeRozen, Aldridge, possibly Blake, not really heard of anyone really good in their mid or late 20s that is available.

Yeah, in terms of realistic stars (or really past-prime stars in this market), there's not much that makes sense for us. Most of the legit guys just got locked up this past summer and/or are on currently contending teams.

If there is a trade out there for nunn or whoever, I think it would be more like a young C on a rookie contract or something.

Would you do Nunn for Bamba? Risky.

tbh i dont follow bamba closely enough to say (though i know a lot of people here like him), but yeah he would be the general archetype of player that would be good for us

[Bourne85]

Derozan and LMA both expire 2021. If Spurs continue to fall they may be targets.

Top Stars on bad teams: Lillard, Beal, Booker, Towns. If one of these guys demand a trade I expect us all over it.

Guys to avoid(contract length or just not good enough):
Westbrick, CP3to6weeks, Griffin, Love, Vucevic, Gallinari, CJmc, Morris Bros. Any player with big money past 2021 that isn’t a super star. Or any player becoming a FA next season looking for big $.

A guy not mentioned that can provide what we need and contract expires before 2021: Marc Gasol

Minimum $ FA that can contribute now:
Mike Beasley

IMO we have the stuff needed to make a huge blockbuster deal. Bam/Herro/Winslow Pick can net us a whale. Only guy I really don’t want to lose is Bam. But no one but Jimmy is safe here imo depending on the player coming in.