2020 Draft Thread

[giberish]

BPA all the way.

No Way. If you go into a draft needing a center and Kobe Byant and Jeff Fuller are on the board, you take Jeff Fuller. No brainer! (sarc)

Portland were totally correct in selecting Sam Bowie.

If you take a BPA who's a poor fit, then you likely have to make a trade to balance your roster. You'll probably lose some value in such a trade. So if the BPA is only slightly better then the best player who fits you can reasonably pass them by. If the BPA is a lot better then you take them and make a side deal for roster balance.

Or you could be Portland in 1984 and preemptively make a bad trade for force you into drafting for fit so that you pass up a much more valuable player.

Or there's Philly 1986, where you trade away the veteran star center in the way of a #1 pick for nothing, and then trade the #1 pick for almost nothing.

[DAWill1128]

Wiseman solves a lot. Edwards would mean we are all in on at Klay at small forward. This draft has a ton of guards at the top which doesn't solve much for us, might just complicate things more. Remember the Lonzo draft with him Fultz, Smith, and Ntilikina? Fox is the only one people want. Would hate to end up in a guard gamble like that when we already have 3 guards putting up 20ppg. At that point we may as well trade down if it sweetens a D-Lo or TPE trade. We don't have the time table for a project. I think Toppin at Dayton who is a 4 is probably the 3rd best player but is redundant with Green and Paschall.

That pick could be worth more to someone else than us if it's not a top 2. The small forwards are late lottery. Centers are traditionally projects if they are not labeled like Wiseman and Ayton.

[GswStorm3]

Unless we get an overwhelming offer I wouldn't trade down.

[DaHef]

I am not up on my NCAA or Intl. hoops.. Can anyone name a top 5 that would be on the draft board?

[Coxy]

I am not up on my NCAA or Intl. hoops.. Can anyone name a top 5 that would be on the draft board?

At the moment, the various draft sites have the following in a round about way.

1. Anthony Edwards
2. James Wiseman
3. LaMello Ball
4. Obi Toppin
5. Cole Anthony

[DaHef]

I am not up on my NCAA or Intl. hoops.. Can anyone name a top 5 that would be on the draft board?

At the moment, the various draft sites have the following in a round about way.

1. Anthony Edwards
2. James Wiseman
3. LaMello Ball
4. Obi Toppin
5. Cole Anthony

Thanks,

[cdubbz]

Unless we get an overwhelming offer I wouldn't trade down.

agreed. Top 3 I wouldn't trade down unless it's for something great.

Wiseman, Edwards, Anthony.

[clyde21]

I am not up on my NCAA or Intl. hoops.. Can anyone name a top 5 that would be on the draft board?

At the moment, the various draft sites have the following in a round about way.

1. Anthony Edwards
2. James Wiseman
3. LaMello Ball
4. Obi Toppin
5. Cole Anthony

Thanks,

Coxy is just using nbadraft.net, Toppin is only top5 there

tankathon has Wiseman, LaMelo, Anthony, Mannion and Edwards, Toppin 12th.

either way, none of these players should be on the Warriors next year.

[clyde21]

Unless we get an overwhelming offer I wouldn't trade down.

what's an overwhelming offer?

[Coxy]

This kids game will translate. Could be a steal for a team that takes the chance.

Watch on YouTube

[ChuckDurn]

Re: BPA vs. fit, most teams use a “Tier” model which is a hybrid of both concepts.

All prospects are put into tiers, based on their talent/potential, and independent of fit. The tiers are something along the lines of:
Tier 1: All-Star lock (superstar)
Tier 2: Likely All-Star (star player)
Tier 3: Solid Starter / possible All-Star
Tier 4: Solid Starter
Tier 5: Potential Starter
Tier 6: Bench / Role player

(That’s me just projecting, there are places where you can go to see more commonly-accepted tier definitions).

When it gets to your pick, you make the pick based on 2 simple rules:
1. Always take a player from the highest tier where one is available.
2. If there are multiple players at the tier, then choose the one that fits best.

Theory is you don’t sacrifice talent for fit, but where talent is roughly equivalent, then you choose the best fit.

So theoretically, let’s say the Warriors get the second pick, and they have Edwards, Wiseman, and Ball in Tier 2 (and nobody in Tier 1, which can be the case). Wiseman is obviously the best fit, so if he’s one of the 2 remaining when they pick, they would take him. But if he’s gone (taken at #1), the Warriors would absolutely take either Edwards or Ball (whichever they liked better) or would trade the pick and pick up an asset. They wouldn’t leave those guys on the board and draft a lesser talent, just for “fit”.

(Now obviously, not all teams evaluate players the same way, but usually there’s pretty decent consensus near the top of the draft.....)

[clyde21]

Re: BPA vs. fit, most teams use a “Tier” model which is a hybrid of both concepts.

All prospects are put into tiers, based on their talent/potential, and independent of fit. The tiers are something along the lines of:
Tier 1: All-Star lock (superstar)
Tier 2: Likely All-Star (star player)
Tier 3: Solid Starter / possible All-Star
Tier 4: Solid Starter
Tier 5: Potential Starter
Tier 6: Bench / Role player

(That’s me just projecting, there are places where you can go to see more commonly-accepted tier definitions).

When it gets to your pick, you make the pick based on 2 simple rules:
1. Always take a player from the highest tier where one is available.
2. If there are multiple players at the tier, then choose the one that fits best.

Theory is you don’t sacrifice talent for fit, but where talent is roughly equivalent, then you choose the best fit.

So theoretically, let’s say the Warriors get the second pick, and they have Edwards, Wiseman, and Ball in Tier 2 (and nobody in Tier 1, which can be the case). Wiseman is obviously the best fit, so if he’s one of the 2 remaining when they pick, they would take him. But if he’s gone (taken at #1), the Warriors would absolutely take either Edwards or Ball (whichever they liked better) or would trade the pick and pick up an asset. They wouldn’t leave those guys on the board and draft a lesser talent, just for “fit”.

(Now obviously, not all teams evaluate players the same way, but usually there’s pretty decent consensus near the top of the draft.....)

this is exactly right...you only take BPA if that player is on a tier above everyone else that fits better, otherwise trade down, if you grade players in a similar tier, you take the best fit. blind BPA doesn't make any sense without this context.

this draft doesn't have a tier 1 guy (ala Zion or Davis for example)...it's more like 2017, which is why we need to be thinking much more about FIT than anything else.

really really don't understand this Cole Anthony talk especially, at least with Wiseman he can play C (still don't want him either)...but taking a back up point that high? come on.

[Onus]

I don’t think anyone is a solid tier 2 prospect in this class.

[Jester_]

This draft is 2013 all over again. Top picks are all forgettable, and the best players will show up way later in the draft.

We need to trade this pick, whatever it is.

[cdubbz]

This draft is 2013 all over again. Top picks are all forgettable, and the best players will show up way later in the draft.

We need to trade this pick, whatever it is.

Outside of a top 3 pick we need to package it for sure. Wiseman, Cole Anthony, Edwards are the only 3 for me now even with Wiseman being on the fence really.

[ChuckDurn]

Interesting.... Wiseman is leaving Memphis, hiring an agent, and preparing for the draft. Wish we had more of a chance to see him in competition..... not sure what to think of him.

https://tv5.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/28335497/james-wiseman-leaves-memphis-enter-nba-draft?platform=amp

[Mylie10]

Interesting.... Wiseman is leaving Memphis, hiring an agent, and preparing for the draft. Wish we had more of a chance to see him in competition..... not sure what to think of him.

https://tv5.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/28335497/james-wiseman-leaves-memphis-enter-nba-draft?platform=amp

I've seen enough for me. He'd solidify our center spot for the long term. He's got everything.

[Mylie10]

Would any of you trade the first pick for Donovan Mitchell? Just curious to hear.

[wco81]

Would any of you trade the first pick for Donovan Mitchell? Just curious to hear.

Would the Jazz?

Maybe if they want to avoid a big payday for him. He may fit better than Dlo but still not a great fit with Curry and Klay.

Plus he seems to need a volume of shots. Not sure how well he'd do getting the second or third most touches in most games.


As for Wiseman, yeah it's too bad, would like to see him in March Madness against the top talent but not sure Memphis is headed for that. Same may be true of Edwards and Georgia, may not be the type of team to make the third or fourth round.

Definitely need to see Anthony come back from knee surgery and play in the tournament.

[shazam_guy]

Depending on position, I'd take Toppin or trade down for someone like Josh Green from Arizona (if he comes out). There are good Warriors-type players in the draft and I'm not sure I'd bank everything on a high pick this year unless it was Wiseman. Edwards may have peaked, and LaMelo has a lot of holes in his game that, judging by his older brother's progress, I don't think I'd want to risk.