Miami Heat Regular Season Thread - Part 1 - Can You Feel It?

[dean456]

We aren't finishing 6th... God we have our first tough loss and our fans go into shambles.

I highly doubt we completely miss in 2021. We are sure to get at least one of, Giannis, Leonard, PG, Oladipo, Holiday or Gobert.

Once the league see's Bam and Jimmy play together for another 2 seasons they won't be able to ignore us and once they see the situation we are in financially in 2021 I can't imagine all those guys passing on the opportunity to play for this team.

If you can go to a meeting pitching Butler/Bam/Herro/Robinson/Nunn/(DJJr/Winslow)/Okpala/2020 FRP plus whatever Vet min FA that would follow them and thats without even mentioning all the good things about the organisation, the financial incentives, the weather the championship history the great coach, GM and owner players would be stupid not to take a serious hard look at us. Worst case scenario out of those guys and we end up with Gobert, I think Gobert gets this current team to the finals.

You can call it a pipe dream or come up with whatever excuse you want there's going to be no denying how good we are and how good we could be with another player joining us over the next two seasons.

[AirP.]

76ers - You could say that every team with a few young players could get better.

Raptors - The odds of someone trading for Lowry or Gasol is extremely low.

Pacers - The Pacers have played a really weak schedule and they're not better than us right now. Is Oladipo going to make them better than what this team could potentially become in the 2020-21 season? I doubt it.

76ers - They have a couple "higher level" younger players than most teams and they really don't have a bench but are slowly trying to rectify that.
Raptors - The odds of someone trading for Lowry or Gasol are extremely low? Ok? Gasol is one of the very few centers that do a very good job against Embiid which would be key to getting past Philly in the playoffs. Lowry still has gas in the tank and they extended him either to make him more than an expiring contract or to get 1 more good year out of him and move him this summer. For some reason, I believe in Masai Ujiri and his ability to find talent.

Oh yes, the "potential" of the Heat if they were to add a top tier free agent. If they really wanted to be players in 2021 why trade for Butler, Miami should have kept the younger/cheaper Richardson because in 2021 Butler will be 32 and have a much smaller window of being able to make a difference with "a top tier player" if you happen to get one. To get the top tier free agents it's been way more than just having free space and being a good team, it's taken the players conspiring to go to the new team. Look at Brooklyn accommodating KD by signing both Irving and D.Jordan. Look at Lakers trading all their youth to add AD, the Clippers had to give in to Kawhi's demands and trading a boatload for P.George. I just wouldn't coast because I got lucky with LeBron, Wade, and Bosh all wanting to play together and they picked Miami at that time, that was a very unique situation.

[Kobewade11]

It will be interesting to see how foresight is weighed in any possible deals. Remember, it''s been said that team officials think KZ Ozpala has the highest ceiling of their rookie class, could make DJJ a chip. Robinson has shot well, but you have to think Herro can give you everything he does and more moving forward. Some of these are decisions that they can put off till further down the road, but they are decisions that will have to be made nonetheless..cant keep everyone. I still think the only move we'll try to make in the interim is flipping JJ and potentially another contract (perhaps one of the aforementioned) for a big.

[Kobewade11]

We aren't finishing 6th... God we have our first tough loss and our fans go into shambles.

I highly doubt we completely miss in 2021. We are sure to get at least one of, Giannis, Leonard, PG, Oladipo, Holiday or Gobert.

agreed on the bolded, but that's just how this fanbase is. It's either at 0 or 100, never anything in between.

As far as that FA class I don't think anything is a guarantee. Kawhi and PG are probably in California for good. Does anyone here really want to give what will be a 33 year old Jrue Holiday max money? I certainly don't. Oladipo: you have to see how Herro looks two years from now, that name might not make any sense. That leaves Giannis and Gobert. If the Bucks don't get any guarantees from Giannis they'll probably look to move him before summer of 2021, we would probably have the combination of players and picks that intrigue them.

[twix2500]

Bruh wtf is going with justise winslow. For a player who is a local media darling, they tell us very little about his injuries for a player who is always injured. #MissGamesMissLayups

[al bondiga]

in JB keeps playing so much it will be injury time for him he has to carry all too much... losing streak will follow

[AirP.]

We aren't finishing 6th... God we have our first tough loss and our fans go into shambles.

No, I've been on this being better then Miami has been for a while.

I highly doubt we completely miss in 2021. We are sure to get at least one of, Giannis, Leonard, PG, Oladipo, Holiday or Gobert.

Not completely miss but miss far enough to make coasting the last 2 years not worth it.

Once the league see's Bam and Jimmy play together for another 2 seasons they won't be able to ignore us and once they see the situation we are in financially in 2021 I can't imagine all those guys passing on the opportunity to play for this team.

Butler will be 32 for the season starting in 2021... that is huge, that means his window will be very short.

If you can go to a meeting pitching Butler/Bam/Herro/Robinson/Nunn/(DJJr/Winslow)/Okpala/2020 FRP plus whatever Vet min FA that would follow them and thats without even mentioning all the good things about the organisation, the financial incentives, the weather the championship history the great coach, GM and owner players would be stupid not to take a serious hard look at us. Worst case scenario out of those guys and we end up with Gobert, I think Gobert gets this current team to the finals.

You can call it a pipe dream or come up with whatever excuse you want there's going to be no denying how good we are and how good we could be with another player joining us over the next two seasons.

How good could you be in a couple of years, Butler on the decline while maxed, Bam sure, possibly Herro and/or Nunn become 20 ppg night players, what about the bigs around Bam(Olynyk and Leonard will be gone, can't have their contracts messing up 2021), Dragic will be gone(can't have his contract messing up with 2021), Winslow "may" be around. If 2021 was the goal why trade Richardson who is younger, cheaper and will be in his prime in 2021 instead of the decline? Butler will be 32 that 2021 season, let that sink in... 32. Fans here talk about 30-31 being way to old to add a player yet a top tier player will be cool with a max 32-year-old?

[eddieheatfan]

Bruh wtf is going with justise winslow. For a player who is a local media darling, they tell us very little about his injuries for a player who is always injured. #MissGamesMissLayups

[MadD23]

After watching replays of the last 3 games, I'll say Spo was a key factor in losing those two games.

But with that said IMO we still need to make a move if we want a legit chance at competing for real. I don't think this team as constructed can win a playoff series against any of the top 5 teams in the East (hope I'm wrong). I am happy with the team and I'm enjoying the heck out of the season, but we need to be real and understand who we really are at this point.

[Flash4thewin]

We aren't finishing 6th... God we have our first tough loss and our fans go into shambles.

I highly doubt we completely miss in 2021. We are sure to get at least one of, Giannis, Leonard, PG, Oladipo, Holiday or Gobert.

agreed on the bolded, but that's just how this fanbase is. It's either at 0 or 100, never anything in between.

As far as that FA class I don't think anything is a guarantee. Kawhi and PG are probably in California for good. Does anyone here really want to give what will be a 33 year old Jrue Holiday max money? I certainly don't. Oladipo: you have to see how Herro looks two years from now, that name might not make any sense. That leaves Giannis and Gobert. If the Bucks don't get any guarantees from Giannis they'll probably look to move him before summer of 2021, we would probably have the combination of players and picks that intrigue them.

We are forgetting that players have real power and say in what happens in trades. Say Giannis want to force his way to LA to play with AD and Lebron? We dont have Wade doing his recruiting anymore since he retired. What special connection do we have with Giannis for example?

[MettaWorldPanda]

LAMARCUS ALDRIDGE
C, SAN ANTONIO SPURS

LaMarcus Aldridge played 38 minutes in Monday's loss to the Rockets, finishing with 19 points (7-of-15 FGs, 4-of-4 FTs), 13 rebounds, four assists, one steal, two blocks and one three-pointer.
After tallying just two double-doubles in November (16 games), Aldridge now has three double-doubles this month (four games). For the season he's been a third-round player in nine-category formats and a fourth-round player in eight-cat. Aldridge may not look to extend his range beyond the three-point line very often, but he he's still providing solid value on a nightly basis.

Dec 16, 2019, 11:19 PM ET



This is exactly the type of production we need along side Bam. We need to stop messing around and get this deal done already.

[greg4012]

76ers - You could say that every team with a few young players could get better.

Raptors - The odds of someone trading for Lowry or Gasol is extremely low.

Pacers - The Pacers have played a really weak schedule and they're not better than us right now. Is Oladipo going to make them better than what this team could potentially become in the 2020-21 season? I doubt it.

76ers - They have a couple "higher level" younger players than most teams and they really don't have a bench but are slowly trying to rectify that.
Raptors - The odds of someone trading for Lowry or Gasol are extremely low? Ok? Gasol is one of the very few centers that do a very good job against Embiid which would be key to getting past Philly in the playoffs. Lowry still has gas in the tank and they extended him either to make him more than an expiring contract or to get 1 more good year out of him and move him this summer. For some reason, I believe in Masai Ujiri and his ability to find talent.

Oh yes, the "potential" of the Heat if they were to add a top tier free agent. If they really wanted to be players in 2021 why trade for Butler, Miami should have kept the younger/cheaper Richardson because in 2021 Butler will be 32 and have a much smaller window of being able to make a difference with "a top tier player" if you happen to get one. To get the top tier free agents it's been way more than just having free space and being a good team, it's taken the players conspiring to go to the new team. Look at Brooklyn accommodating KD by signing both Irving and D.Jordan. Look at Lakers trading all their youth to add AD, the Clippers had to give in to Kawhi's demands and trading a boatload for P.George. I just wouldn't coast because I got lucky with LeBron, Wade, and Bosh all wanting to play together and they picked Miami at that time, that was a very unique situation.

Seems to me that the disconnect between your perspective and most Heat fans can be pinpointed to the belief in our young talent.

I'm of the belief that the Heat's young core is one of the most promising in the NBA, and that the iteration of Bam, Herro, D-Rob and Nunn that will likely be on the Heat in 2021 will each be superior (some significantly--Bam and Herro) from their current versions.

[Jfh20]

no clue how the heat loss to the grizz...looked like we gassed out.... could really use winslow back.

[Feel_the_Heat15]

76ers - You could say that every team with a few young players could get better.

Raptors - The odds of someone trading for Lowry or Gasol is extremely low.

Pacers - The Pacers have played a really weak schedule and they're not better than us right now. Is Oladipo going to make them better than what this team could potentially become in the 2020-21 season? I doubt it.

76ers - They have a couple "higher level" younger players than most teams and they really don't have a bench but are slowly trying to rectify that.
Raptors - The odds of someone trading for Lowry or Gasol are extremely low? Ok? Gasol is one of the very few centers that do a very good job against Embiid which would be key to getting past Philly in the playoffs. Lowry still has gas in the tank and they extended him either to make him more than an expiring contract or to get 1 more good year out of him and move him this summer. For some reason, I believe in Masai Ujiri and his ability to find talent.

Oh yes, the "potential" of the Heat if they were to add a top tier free agent. If they really wanted to be players in 2021 why trade for Butler, Miami should have kept the younger/cheaper Richardson because in 2021 Butler will be 32 and have a much smaller window of being able to make a difference with "a top tier player" if you happen to get one. To get the top tier free agents it's been way more than just having free space and being a good team, it's taken the players conspiring to go to the new team. Look at Brooklyn accommodating KD by signing both Irving and D.Jordan. Look at Lakers trading all their youth to add AD, the Clippers had to give in to Kawhi's demands and trading a boatload for P.George. I just wouldn't coast because I got lucky with LeBron, Wade, and Bosh all wanting to play together and they picked Miami at that time, that was a very unique situation.

Simmons and Embiid look like they are who they are. Embiid has definitely regressed compared to previous seasons so what makes you so sure he's going to get better?

1.Why would the Raptors trade away Gasol and Lowry when their contracts are up in less than 2 years and are still serviceable players?

2.What teams out their has the assets and has a need for Lowry/Gasol? Most of the contenders today don't have the assets to get those players. Raptors aren't giving up Lowry for a 2nd round pick and Eric Gordon.

You're acting like Butler is going to turn into a net negative player in 2021. Yeah, he's going to decline a bit but he will still arguably be a top 10 SG. Roster improvement should more than help to offset any decline. We're not coasting, we just can't do anything that makes sense till 2021. Didn't the Lakers punt last season? Do you see a KD or Irving we could trade for this season because I don't. Chris Paul or Kevin Love aren't turning us into contenders.

[greg4012]

LAMARCUS ALDRIDGE
C, SAN ANTONIO SPURS

LaMarcus Aldridge played 38 minutes in Monday's loss to the Rockets, finishing with 19 points (7-of-15 FGs, 4-of-4 FTs), 13 rebounds, four assists, one steal, two blocks and one three-pointer.
After tallying just two double-doubles in November (16 games), Aldridge now has three double-doubles this month (four games). For the season he's been a third-round player in nine-category formats and a fourth-round player in eight-cat. Aldridge may not look to extend his range beyond the three-point line very often, but he he's still providing solid value on a nightly basis.

Dec 16, 2019, 11:19 PM ET



This is exactly the type of production we need along side Bam. We need to stop messing around and get this deal done already.

Can't say I've paid attention to LMA this season or last season. Does he have enough juice to be our version of Marc Gasol to Toronto?

[MettaWorldPanda]

LAMARCUS ALDRIDGE
C, SAN ANTONIO SPURS

LaMarcus Aldridge played 38 minutes in Monday's loss to the Rockets, finishing with 19 points (7-of-15 FGs, 4-of-4 FTs), 13 rebounds, four assists, one steal, two blocks and one three-pointer.
After tallying just two double-doubles in November (16 games), Aldridge now has three double-doubles this month (four games). For the season he's been a third-round player in nine-category formats and a fourth-round player in eight-cat. Aldridge may not look to extend his range beyond the three-point line very often, but he he's still providing solid value on a nightly basis.

Dec 16, 2019, 11:19 PM ET



This is exactly the type of production we need along side Bam. We need to stop messing around and get this deal done already.

Can't say I've paid attention to LMA this season or last season. Does he have enough juice to be our version of Marc Gasol to Toronto?

Yes. He absolutely does. At least for the next two years until we get to 2021.He's exactly the front court player we can get at the right price to keep us at the top of the East and able to make a deep playoff run.

[sdrawkcabssa]

LAMARCUS ALDRIDGE
C, SAN ANTONIO SPURS

LaMarcus Aldridge played 38 minutes in Monday's loss to the Rockets, finishing with 19 points (7-of-15 FGs, 4-of-4 FTs), 13 rebounds, four assists, one steal, two blocks and one three-pointer.
After tallying just two double-doubles in November (16 games), Aldridge now has three double-doubles this month (four games). For the season he's been a third-round player in nine-category formats and a fourth-round player in eight-cat. Aldridge may not look to extend his range beyond the three-point line very often, but he he's still providing solid value on a nightly basis.

Dec 16, 2019, 11:19 PM ET



This is exactly the type of production we need along side Bam. We need to stop messing around and get this deal done already.

Can't say I've paid attention to LMA this season or last season. Does he have enough juice to be our version of Marc Gasol to Toronto?

Yes. He absolutely does. At least for the next two years until we get to 2021.He's exactly the front court player we can get at the right price to keep us at the top of the East and able to make a deep playoff run.

I don't see the Spurs trading their best player to us unless it's a lopsided trade in their favor.

[greg4012]

Can't say I've paid attention to LMA this season or last season. Does he have enough juice to be our version of Marc Gasol to Toronto?

Yes. He absolutely does. At least for the next two years until we get to 2021.He's exactly the front court player we can get at the right price to keep us at the top of the East and able to make a deep playoff run.

I don't see the Spurs trading their best player to us unless it's a lopsided trade in their favor.

I can't say I see it either. But, the thinking behind it would be: If the Spurs continue to struggle and are a non-playoff team looking to rebuild, a trade for a younger prospect with upside (like Winslow) could be of interest.

[dolphinatik]

I wouldn't mind cp3 in a trade

[MettaWorldPanda]

Yes. He absolutely does. At least for the next two years until we get to 2021.He's exactly the front court player we can get at the right price to keep us at the top of the East and able to make a deep playoff run.

I don't see the Spurs trading their best player to us unless it's a lopsided trade in their favor.

I can't say I see it either. But, the thinking behind it would be: If the Spurs continue to struggle and are a non-playoff team looking to rebuild, a trade for a younger prospect with upside (like Winslow) could be of interest.

Exactly. Spurs are 10-16 right now. Younger players like KO and Winslow coming back for LMA is exactly the type of deal they should be looking for. It's also doing right by LMA by putting him on a contender.