OT: TV and Movies (with spoilers)

[Kerb Hohl]

Uhhhh Mr Robot

Spoiler:

Is this the alternate universe/time loop that people have been expecting since pretty early in the show when Washington Township was introduced?

Or is this just a trick and this is the 3rd alt that Elliot created where he doesn’t know about all the bad stuff?

Probably the first paragraph is what it is. I’m not against it but crazy for this finally to get introduced in the final 2 eps even with hints forever.

[Bucksfan28]

Uhhhh Mr Robot

Spoiler:

Is this the alternate universe/time loop that people have been expecting since pretty early in the show when Washington Township was introduced?

Or is this just a trick and this is the 3rd alt that Elliot created where he doesn’t know about all the bad stuff?

Probably the first paragraph is what it is. I’m not against it but crazy for this finally to get introduced in the final 2 eps even with hints forever.

One of the few reddit communities I frequent is the Mr Robot sub. There's a lot of good discussion and theorizing over there.

Ultimately I have no idea where this goes but have unwavering faith Sam will pull it off. Aside from this season being excellent so far, I also keep reminding myself that Sam originally intended the story to be a movie. Two hours should be sufficient to flesh out the conclusion that he's always envisioned.

Spoiler:

The alternate universe theory presents a ton of options. For example, did Mr Robot and WR have a history we don't know about? Like you say, the implications seem too significant to save those types of details for the last two eps. If this is more about Elliot's mental state, I've seen it posited that Elliot actually killed Ed, not that he died from cancer.

There's several plausible routes this could go. I'm trying not to develop certain expectations that I tie my satisfaction of the show to. Up until now they've kept me enthralled with the writing and teriffic acting, I can't ask for anything more.

[Kerb Hohl]

Uhhhh Mr Robot

Spoiler:

Is this the alternate universe/time loop that people have been expecting since pretty early in the show when Washington Township was introduced?

Or is this just a trick and this is the 3rd alt that Elliot created where he doesn’t know about all the bad stuff?

Probably the first paragraph is what it is. I’m not against it but crazy for this finally to get introduced in the final 2 eps even with hints forever.

One of the few reddit communities I frequent is the Mr Robot sub. There's a lot of good discussion and theorizing over there.

Ultimately I have no idea where this goes but have unwavering faith Sam will pull it off. Aside from this season being excellent so far, I also keep reminding myself that Sam originally intended the story to be a movie. Two hours should be sufficient to flesh out the conclusion that he's always envisioned.

Spoiler:

The alternate universe theory presents a ton of options. For example, did Mr Robot and WR have a history we don't know about? Like you say, the implications seem too significant to save those types of details for the last two eps. If this is more about Elliot's mental state, I've seen it posited that Elliot actually killed Ed, not that he died from cancer.

There's several plausible routes this could go. I'm trying not to develop certain expectations that I tie my satisfaction of the show to. Up until now they've kept me enthralled with the writing and teriffic acting, I can't ask for anything more.

Yeah, same here with my infrequent reddit visits. Although I basically visit it for theories only when there is a bombshell ep of Mr. Robot.

Thinking about it more, I'm sure this theory is out there

Spoiler:

But the whole first season revolves around him figuring out Darlene is his sister and Mr Robot is his deceased dad as the reveals.

So that seems to tip it towards the idea that there are multiple time threads or he's on some sort of loop. He was just figuring out the grounds of the E-Corp world and now he's on the F-Corp time thread.

That said, time seems to be standing still in F-Corp world. So that also suggests something is very different here.

I don't know.

[Turk Nowitzki]

First reactions to The Rise of Skywalker hit social media after the premiere last night. No actual spoilers or detailed reviews yet, just general impressions but I put them in the spoiler tag anyway. I can't help but look forward to seeing it on Friday because it's **** Star Wars!

Spoiler:

A lot of positive reactions, which is always encouraging but relatively normal (has been the case for both TFA and TLJ). Sounds like one of the criticisms is that it felt like JJ had to stuff two movies worth of plot/exposition into one movie to get where he wanted to go after not being closely involved with TLJ. I saw one quote that "it feels like an apology for The Last Jedi" which is either a tremendous compliment or a huge disappointment depending on your opinion of that movie.

They really **** up having two people with wildly different visions of where this was going direct the first two movies in this new trilogy so for better or worse, seems we're getting a drastic course correction in this final movie.

[ReasonablySober]

I thought this was an insightful look into why such a vocal minority hated TLJ.

[crkone]

I thought this was an insightful look into why such a vocal minority hated TLJ.

And here I thought it was the terrible script, illogical plot, and horrible, uncharismatic characters.

[ReasonablySober]

I thought this was an insightful look into why such a vocal minority hated TLJ.

And here I thought it was the terrible script, illogical plot, and horrible, uncharismatic characters.

Well it had the same characters as TFA so don't know what to tell you there.

[crkone]

I thought this was an insightful look into why such a vocal minority hated TLJ.

And here I thought it was the terrible script, illogical plot, and horrible, uncharismatic characters.

Well it had the same characters as TFA so don't know what to tell you there.

I know

[Kerb Hohl]

By the way, everyone that left Mr. Robot in S2 when it took a bit of a step back, catch up and finish...it is finishing damn strong.

[Kerb Hohl]

Sunnovabitch (Mr Robot)

Spoiler:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_loop#Alderson_loop

Regarding that:

Spoiler:

He basically alludes to it saying, "I am stuck in a routine that I keep living over and over" (routine being another term for function, method, etc.)

Also the fact that time is standing still in various parts of this...is this like the debugger pausing to exit?

[Ron Swanson]

Idk, my reasons for not really caring for the Last Jedi aren't really that complicated. It was a meandering plot with a lot of diversions and side stories that never came together to form a consistent narrative in the end. Weird character development choices (I actually liked that they made Luke a grumpy old man) and even weirder, complete lack of back story for other important characters.

Overall it was just kind of a mess, and I think the people that defend it as some sort of avant-garde take on the franchise are both looking way too much into it, and can be just as annoying as the people who say they hated it. It was plenty "Star Wars-y" complete with all the unnecessary anime-eyed cute creatures, and all the "Member this!" cameos and fan service. Outside of a few cool fight sequences and locales, I just didn't find it that entertaining.

[ReasonablySober]

By the way, everyone that left Mr. Robot in S2 when it took a bit of a step back, catch up and finish...it is finishing damn strong.

My interest after season 2 fell off a cliff and I never went back, but with a shortage of stuff to watch over the next few weeks I think I'm gonna jump back in.

[Bucksfan28]

Sunnovabitch (Mr Robot)

Spoiler:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_loop#Alderson_loop

Regarding that:

Spoiler:

He basically alludes to it saying, "I am stuck in a routine that I keep living over and over" (routine being another term for function, method, etc.)

Also the fact that time is standing still in various parts of this...is this like the debugger pausing to exit?

Just hitting all your points here.

Spoiler:

The reason I'm skeptical of time loops and alternate dimensions is, I swear I read somewhere that Esmail confirmed the ending is not a sci-fi conclusion. And also that he hadn't seen anyone accurately predict the ending. Obviously that could've been a misdirection to keep people interested.

To your point about Darlene though, she's not in the F-Corp universe whereever that exists. And like you said, in S1 Elliot has no idea who she is. On top of that there's the line from Angela "You're not Elliot. You were just born." or something along those lines.

So yea, idk wtf is gonna happen

[Kerb Hohl]

Sunnovabitch (Mr Robot)

Spoiler:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_loop#Alderson_loop

Regarding that:

Spoiler:

He basically alludes to it saying, "I am stuck in a routine that I keep living over and over" (routine being another term for function, method, etc.)

Also the fact that time is standing still in various parts of this...is this like the debugger pausing to exit?

Just hitting all your points here.

Spoiler:

The reason I'm skeptical of time loops and alternate dimensions is, I swear I read somewhere that Esmail confirmed the ending is not a sci-fi conclusion. And also that he hadn't seen anyone accurately predict the ending. Obviously that could've been a misdirection to keep people interested.

To your point about Darlene though, she's not in the F-Corp universe whereever that exists. And like you said, in S1 Elliot has no idea who she is. On top of that there's the line from Angela "You're not Elliot. You were just born." or something along those lines.

So yea, idk wtf is gonna happen

Spoiler:

I have been very conflicted what to believe/think. Initially when it took the turn in the final 15 minutes, I said, "oh well that's kinda weird and not something a really good show writer would do. There have been deep sci-fi theories for basically all of the seasons but you're going to hammer it in NOW?"

Then after a bit of thinking and reddit reading, it would be cool that it was left in plain sight the entire time and everything came together well at the end.

But true to your point, we've believed this is a psychological thriller all along. There is a plausible idea here that this is all Elliot's mind creating all sorts of realities and people as he has most of the show, including the final 15 minute scene we saw just being some sort of delusion or front for himself.

[Kerb Hohl]

By the way, everyone that left Mr. Robot in S2 when it took a bit of a step back, catch up and finish...it is finishing damn strong.

My interest after season 2 fell off a cliff and I never went back, but with a shortage of stuff to watch over the next few weeks I think I'm gonna jump back in.

Maybe this is the way to do it. Tank a season so hard that everyone loves the ending, unlike GoT.

S2 just felt like it was going nowhere even though it was still beautifully shot as they all have been in Mr. Robot. I kinda stuck with it because I'm bad at quitting shows and I'm glad I did.

Btw I want to see you finish this thing in 5 days to watch the finale with the rest of us.

[ReasonablySober]

By the way, everyone that left Mr. Robot in S2 when it took a bit of a step back, catch up and finish...it is finishing damn strong.

My interest after season 2 fell off a cliff and I never went back, but with a shortage of stuff to watch over the next few weeks I think I'm gonna jump back in.

Maybe this is the way to do it. Tank a season so hard that everyone loves the ending, unlike GoT.

S2 just felt like it was going nowhere even though it was still beautifully shot as they all have been in Mr. Robot. I kinda stuck with it because I'm bad at quitting shows and I'm glad I did.

Btw I want to see you finish this thing in 5 days to watch the finale with the rest of us.

Challenge accepted. I'm gonna have to go nuts the next three nights with The Last Jedi and The Witcher this weekend.

[Bucksfan28]

Sunnovabitch (Mr Robot)

Spoiler:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_loop#Alderson_loop

Regarding that:

Spoiler:

He basically alludes to it saying, "I am stuck in a routine that I keep living over and over" (routine being another term for function, method, etc.)

Also the fact that time is standing still in various parts of this...is this like the debugger pausing to exit?

Just hitting all your points here.

Spoiler:

The reason I'm skeptical of time loops and alternate dimensions is, I swear I read somewhere that Esmail confirmed the ending is not a sci-fi conclusion. And also that he hadn't seen anyone accurately predict the ending. Obviously that could've been a misdirection to keep people interested.

To your point about Darlene though, she's not in the F-Corp universe whereever that exists. And like you said, in S1 Elliot has no idea who she is. On top of that there's the line from Angela "You're not Elliot. You were just born." or something along those lines.

So yea, idk wtf is gonna happen

Spoiler:

I have been very conflicted what to believe/think. Initially when it took the turn in the final 15 minutes, I said, "oh well that's kinda weird and not something a really good show writer would do. There have been deep sci-fi theories for basically all of the seasons but you're going to hammer it in NOW?"


Then after a bit of thinking and reddit reading, it would be cool that it was left in plain sight the entire time and everything came together well at the end.

But true to your point, we've believed this is a psychological thriller all along. There is a plausible idea here that this is all Elliot's mind creating all sorts of realities and people as he has most of the show, including the final 15 minute scene we saw just being some sort of delusion or front for himself.

Spoiler:

Yea, I think regardless of where this goes we'll be able to look back and be like "wow, it was all there from the beginning." Those 3 days from the end of S1 still need explaining and I'm wondering if therein lies the important details.

Re: Elliot's mind. Elliot is about as unreliable of a narrator as there is. And he's also technically Mr Robot, so I've been wondering about what was actually happening at Washington Township during the alleged meltdown. When Mr Robot opens the door there is no kickback. Like, how??

[Kerb Hohl]

Just hitting all your points here.

Spoiler:

The reason I'm skeptical of time loops and alternate dimensions is, I swear I read somewhere that Esmail confirmed the ending is not a sci-fi conclusion. And also that he hadn't seen anyone accurately predict the ending. Obviously that could've been a misdirection to keep people interested.

To your point about Darlene though, she's not in the F-Corp universe whereever that exists. And like you said, in S1 Elliot has no idea who she is. On top of that there's the line from Angela "You're not Elliot. You were just born." or something along those lines.

So yea, idk wtf is gonna happen

Spoiler:

I have been very conflicted what to believe/think. Initially when it took the turn in the final 15 minutes, I said, "oh well that's kinda weird and not something a really good show writer would do. There have been deep sci-fi theories for basically all of the seasons but you're going to hammer it in NOW?"


Then after a bit of thinking and reddit reading, it would be cool that it was left in plain sight the entire time and everything came together well at the end.

But true to your point, we've believed this is a psychological thriller all along. There is a plausible idea here that this is all Elliot's mind creating all sorts of realities and people as he has most of the show, including the final 15 minute scene we saw just being some sort of delusion or front for himself.

Spoiler:

Yea, I think regardless of where this goes we'll be able to look back and be like "wow, it was all there from the beginning." Those 3 days from the end of S1 still need explaining and I'm wondering if therein lies the important details.

Re: Elliot's mind. Elliot is about as unreliable of a narrator as there is. And he's also technically Mr Robot, so I've been wondering about what was actually happening at Washington Township during the alleged meltdown. When Mr Robot opens the door there is no kickback. Like, how??

Spoiler:

Yeah basically the entire meltdown I was just assuming that it wasn't actually happening.

[emunney]

My interest after season 2 fell off a cliff and I never went back, but with a shortage of stuff to watch over the next few weeks I think I'm gonna jump back in.

Maybe this is the way to do it. Tank a season so hard that everyone loves the ending, unlike GoT.

S2 just felt like it was going nowhere even though it was still beautifully shot as they all have been in Mr. Robot. I kinda stuck with it because I'm bad at quitting shows and I'm glad I did.

Btw I want to see you finish this thing in 5 days to watch the finale with the rest of us.

Challenge accepted. I'm gonna have to go nuts the next three nights with The Last Jedi and The Witcher this weekend.

Can't blame you for doubling down on the Last Jedi (greatest Star Wars movie by far) even with a new Star Wars dropping this weekend.

[HurricaneKid]

First reactions to The Rise of Skywalker hit social media after the premiere last night. No actual spoilers or detailed reviews yet, just general impressions but I put them in the spoiler tag anyway. I can't help but look forward to seeing it on Friday because it's **** Star Wars!

Spoiler:

A lot of positive reactions, which is always encouraging but relatively normal (has been the case for both TFA and TLJ). Sounds like one of the criticisms is that it felt like JJ had to stuff two movies worth of plot/exposition into one movie to get where he wanted to go after not being closely involved with TLJ. I saw one quote that "it feels like an apology for The Last Jedi" which is either a tremendous compliment or a huge disappointment depending on your opinion of that movie.

They really **** up having two people with wildly different visions of where this was going direct the first two movies in this new trilogy so for better or worse, seems we're getting a drastic course correction in this final movie.

There is a single reality in movie reviews: When a major release has an embargo on reviews it is because it SUUuuuuccckkks.

The movie opens tomorrow and not a single review has been written. Not even the whores who will sell the praises of a steaming pile for the privilege of getting a swag bag and getting to watch the movie a few days ahead of time.

I mean I have a ticket but still...

But TLJ was a travesty. It decimated the franchise.