Miami Heat Regular Season Thread - Part 1 - Can You Feel It?

[twix2500]

Here's an interesting Holiday move.

PG: Holiday
SG: Robinson
SF: Butler
SF: Adebayo
Ce: Portis

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[goodboy]

so no trades yet wow

[MadD23]

Here's an interesting Holiday move.

PG: Holiday
SG: Robinson
SF: Butler
SF: Adebayo
Ce: Portis

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I'll do this without blinking!

[SweetTouch]

Where should I go to sell Flagship north Heat tickets vs Toronto Raptors row 4 seats 9-10, row 5 seats 13-14??

I received them as a gift, but cannot attend the event. These are transferrable

[gom]

I would not do the Jrue trade above. I want to keep Winslow. He'll be very useful in the Finals. Meyers & Dragic are important players too in our scheme. They'll resign for less next season too.

[goodboy]

Where should I go to sell Flagship north Heat tickets vs Toronto Raptors row 4 seats 9-10, row 5 seats 13-14??

I received them as a gift, but cannot attend the event. These are transferrable

Facebook marketplace

[goodboy]

I would not do the Jrue trade above. I want to keep Winslow. He'll be very useful in the Finals. Meyers & Dragic are important players too in our scheme. They'll resign for less next season too.

We need a big gom

[dean456]

We aren't finishing 6th... God we have our first tough loss and our fans go into shambles.

No, I've been on this being better then Miami has been for a while.

I highly doubt we completely miss in 2021. We are sure to get at least one of, Giannis, Leonard, PG, Oladipo, Holiday or Gobert.

Not completely miss but miss far enough to make coasting the last 2 years not worth it.

Once the league see's Bam and Jimmy play together for another 2 seasons they won't be able to ignore us and once they see the situation we are in financially in 2021 I can't imagine all those guys passing on the opportunity to play for this team.

Butler will be 32 for the season starting in 2021... that is huge, that means his window will be very short.

If you can go to a meeting pitching Butler/Bam/Herro/Robinson/Nunn/(DJJr/Winslow)/Okpala/2020 FRP plus whatever Vet min FA that would follow them and thats without even mentioning all the good things about the organisation, the financial incentives, the weather the championship history the great coach, GM and owner players would be stupid not to take a serious hard look at us. Worst case scenario out of those guys and we end up with Gobert, I think Gobert gets this current team to the finals.

You can call it a pipe dream or come up with whatever excuse you want there's going to be no denying how good we are and how good we could be with another player joining us over the next two seasons.

How good could you be in a couple of years, Butler on the decline while maxed, Bam sure, possibly Herro and/or Nunn become 20 ppg night players, what about the bigs around Bam(Olynyk and Leonard will be gone, can't have their contracts messing up 2021), Dragic will be gone(can't have his contract messing up with 2021), Winslow "may" be around. If 2021 was the goal why trade Richardson who is younger, cheaper and will be in his prime in 2021 instead of the decline? Butler will be 32 that 2021 season, let that sink in... 32. Fans here talk about 30-31 being way to old to add a player yet a top tier player will be cool with a max 32-year-old?

You are way too caught up in the Jimmy being 32yo when 2021 hits. The rest of the team will be 22-27yo Jimmy being a little older won't matter nearly as much as you are making out. We just had a summer where AD wanted to join a 35yo Lebron James in LA (He was traded but its where he wanted to be) and Kyrie joined KD in Brooklyn, KD is 31yo and will be 32yo when he can start playing basketball again after having one of the worst injuries an NBA player can have. So don't act like a player being 32yo is going to deter someone from joining that team.

Lakers are top of the league right now and they have Lebron 35yo, Green 32yo, Rondo 33yo, Howard 34yo, McGee 31yo, Dudley 35yo and you are worried about Miami having one player above the age of 30 in 2021??

[dean456]

We aren't finishing 6th... God we have our first tough loss and our fans go into shambles.

I highly doubt we completely miss in 2021. We are sure to get at least one of, Giannis, Leonard, PG, Oladipo, Holiday or Gobert.

agreed on the bolded, but that's just how this fanbase is. It's either at 0 or 100, never anything in between.

As far as that FA class I don't think anything is a guarantee. Kawhi and PG are probably in California for good. Does anyone here really want to give what will be a 33 year old Jrue Holiday max money? I certainly don't. Oladipo: you have to see how Herro looks two years from now, that name might not make any sense. That leaves Giannis and Gobert. If the Bucks don't get any guarantees from Giannis they'll probably look to move him before summer of 2021, we would probably have the combination of players and picks that intrigue them.

We are forgetting that players have real power and say in what happens in trades. Say Giannis want to force his way to LA to play with AD and Lebron? We dont have Wade doing his recruiting anymore since he retired. What special connection do we have with Giannis for example?

Giannis and Bam share an agent and they could both be getting paid by us at the same time. Giannis and Bam are this agents only major NBA players as well. Bam and Giannis also worked out together. Here's a quote from Bam talking about their friendship.

“We’ve got the same agent and I feel like it started because we started respecting each other’s games. When we go at it, it’s like force meets force,” Adebayo told Shandel Richardson of The Athletic. “There’s no back down from either one of us. When you play against dudes like that, it’s a grind but you start to respect him because he’s not backing from me and I’m not backing down from him. It came from mutual respect of each other.”

[AirP.]

How good could you be in a couple of years, Butler on the decline while maxed, Bam sure, possibly Herro and/or Nunn become 20 ppg night players, what about the bigs around Bam(Olynyk and Leonard will be gone, can't have their contracts messing up 2021), Dragic will be gone(can't have his contract messing up with 2021), Winslow "may" be around. If 2021 was the goal why trade Richardson who is younger, cheaper and will be in his prime in 2021 instead of the decline? Butler will be 32 that 2021 season, let that sink in... 32. Fans here talk about 30-31 being way to old to add a player yet a top tier player will be cool with a max 32-year-old?

You are way too caught up in the Jimmy being 32yo when 2021 hits. The rest of the team will be 22-27yo Jimmy being a little older won't matter nearly as much as you are making out. We just had a summer where AD wanted to join a 35yo Lebron James in LA (He was traded but its where he wanted to be) and Kyrie joined KD in Brooklyn, KD is 31yo and will be 32yo when he can start playing basketball again after having one of the worst injuries an NBA player can have. So don't act like a player being 32yo is going to deter someone from joining that team.

Lakers are top of the league right now and they have Lebron 35yo, Green 32yo, Rondo 33yo, Howard 34yo, McGee 31yo, Dudley 35yo and you are worried about Miami having one player above the age of 30 in 2021??

I'm not saying Butler is a problem at 32, but the window with him being a top player will be 2 years smaller by then. I just don't get trading those assets for him at the max and then thinking, we're done with changes for 2 years, it just doesn't seem logical to me. Staying with what Miami had before the trade and trying to develop Richardson and Winslow the next 2 years to be better playmakers while holding onto the 1st they sent out makes way more sense to me. Miami could have still moved Whiteside and added Leonard and Harkless to this roster to make more time for Bam.

Miami really isn't too far away from being a real threat. Add a vet scorer for not much assets and this team probably is a threat to come out of the East for the next 3-4 years. If you can get a top tier free agent to come to Miami, I'm pretty sure Riley can find a way to make that happen even without max cap space available at the time. There's almost always a team willing to take on salary for draft pick.

[AirP.]

Giannis and Bam share an agent and they could both be getting paid by us at the same time. Giannis and Bam are this agents only major NBA players as well. Bam and Giannis also worked out together. Here's a quote from Bam talking about their friendship.

“We’ve got the same agent and I feel like it started because we started respecting each other’s games. When we go at it, it’s like force meets force,” Adebayo told Shandel Richardson of The Athletic. “There’s no back down from either one of us. When you play against dudes like that, it’s a grind but you start to respect him because he’s not backing from me and I’m not backing down from him. It came from mutual respect of each other.”

So the same agent and have mutual respect for each other? So Giannis is going to take less money(not taking the super max which is only available from Milwaulkee) and walk away from a franchise that will continue to build around him to play with Bam in Miami? I guess I just don't get it why he throws all that away for Miami.

[dean456]

Giannis and Bam share an agent and they could both be getting paid by us at the same time. Giannis and Bam are this agents only major NBA players as well. Bam and Giannis also worked out together. Here's a quote from Bam talking about their friendship.

“We’ve got the same agent and I feel like it started because we started respecting each other’s games. When we go at it, it’s like force meets force,” Adebayo told Shandel Richardson of The Athletic. “There’s no back down from either one of us. When you play against dudes like that, it’s a grind but you start to respect him because he’s not backing from me and I’m not backing down from him. It came from mutual respect of each other.”

So the same agent and have mutual respect for each other? So Giannis is going to take less money(not taking the super max which is only available from Milwaulkee) and walk away from a franchise that will continue to build around him to play with Bam in Miami? I guess I just don't get it why he throws all that away for Miami.

Never said that guarantee's he makes that decision just the question was asked without Wade recruiting what connection do we have to someone like Giannis.

Also the question asked to Bam was "What sparked the off the court friendship between Giannis and him?" and this was his answer, it wasn't just a comment about how they both respect each others games.

I've seen countless other players walk away from a supermax. I've also seen players move teams after being on a team that builds around them. I just don't have faith that Milwaukee can win it all, I think he will keep losing and as a result Giannis will make the smart decision and move on.

[gom]

Giannis is perfect for the Heat. Rest of 2023 frp, 2025 unconditional frp, 2020 first (draft for Bucks), Tyler Herro, James Johnson, & Dion Waiters. Can you imagine Giannis & Bam together in the front court? sick af.

Gets us under the tax too. I hate trading Tyler but all those picks and Tyler together is a good return. Right?

[islandHEAT]

Giannis is a pipe dream.

Make the move now that makes us better (NOT CP3/Love).

[caliban]

Gonna be a wet blanket and say that I don't think there's a move out there right now that makes the team better or better enough.

I'd sit tight, patiently wait until the right opportunity present itself and meanwhile make the rising players on the team look as enticing as possible.

For the breadcrumbs on the trading board available right now I'd consider moving Nunn, Olynyk and DJJ.

I like Jrue as much as anyone but with the abysmal FAclass coming up and several teams with deep playoff dreams, it looks like NOPs is in a perfect sell high scenario as of now.

This team need to get healthy. Tired of watching their pick n roll defense plummet to .326 levels.

[Mos_Heat]

Giannis is perfect for the Heat. Rest of 2023 frp, 2025 unconditional frp, 2020 first (draft for Bucks), Tyler Herro, James Johnson, & Dion Waiters. Can you imagine Giannis & Bam together in the front court? sick af.

Gets us under the tax too. I hate trading Tyler but all those picks and Tyler together is a good return. Right?

Of course not

[Bishop45]

Gonna be a wet blanket and say that I don't think there's a move out there right now that makes the team better or better enough.

I'd sit tight, patiently wait until the right opportunity present itself and meanwhile make the rising players on the team look as enticing as possible.

For the breadcrumbs on the trading board available right now I'd consider moving Nunn, Olynyk and DJJ.

I like Jrue as much as anyone but with the abysmal FAclass coming up and several teams with deep playoff dreams, it looks like NOPs is in a perfect sell high scenario as of now.

This team need to get healthy. Tired of watching their pick n roll defense plummet to .326 levels.

This, these

I'd mess around with Olynyk/DJJ/Leonard for Randle or something of the sort but leave it there for the most part. Add Nunn if a similar trade for Gallinari was possible. But I'm good


Olynyk/DJJ for Dedmon/Giles on the low end of crazy

[dean456]

Apparently OKC are looking for a FRP and Starting Caliber player in a trade for Gallinari.

Would you trade a FRP for a 6month rental if you knew we weren't going to resign him?

If it cost us (Leonard/Olynyk)/Waiters/FRP and we got say Danilo Gallinari/Nerlens Noel I think I'd do that in a heartbeat.

[twix2500]

Apparently OKC are looking for a FRP and Starting Caliber player in a trade for Gallinari.

Would you trade a FRP for a 6month rental if you knew we weren't going to resign him?

If it cost us (Leonard/Olynyk)/Waiters/FRP and we got say Danilo Gallinari/Nerlens Noel I think I'd do that in a heartbeat.

Hell no, everyone gonna try to overcharge right now.

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[caliban]

Been some good basketball talk to browse through the last couple of weeks. We byke!