Miami Heat Regular Season Thread - Part 1 - Can You Feel It?

[MadD23]

We might wait this out until the trade deadline when the market settles and teams lower their demands on players they couldn't trade to a desperate GM. But I know Riley is hunting and is looking to upgrade this season.

[twix2500]

We might wait this out until the trade deadline when the market settles and teams lower their demands on players they couldn't trade to a desperate GM. But I know Riley is hunting and is looking to upgrade this season.

Yeah no rush to get it done. Winslow being hurt so damn much really kills his trade value. That has been the issue for the past 2 years with Winslow, Waiters and Johnson. Missing games has hurt their value

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[twix2500]

Even thou they are getting valuable experience with Justise and Goran being out, you gotta think Nunn and Herro who has never played this many games in one season will start to take a toll on them.

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[MadD23]

We might wait this out until the trade deadline when the market settles and teams lower their demands on players they couldn't trade to a desperate GM. But I know Riley is hunting and is looking to upgrade this season.

Yeah no rush to get it done. Winslow being hurt so damn much really kills his trade value. That has been the issue for the past 2 years with Winslow, Waiters and Johnson. Missing games has hurt their value

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Winslow not being able to stay healthy is definitely a problem. We are in a tough position to negotiate unless we are willing to give up a Duncan Robinson or Nunn (Herro might be off the table due to his young age and upside).

DJJ's trade value should be on the rise. He has displayed some impressive defensive skills in the past few games. Dragic also offers an enticing expiring deal and he is still a very good player that could benefit someone in a 3 team trade.

The Heat just have to be careful and not give up too much in the process. What gives me peace of mind is knowing Riley would only pull the trigger if he knows the move will get us closer to a championship. Hope he still has more of that magic in him.

[Kobewade11]

The decision to omit Bam Adebayo from the United States World Cup roster was surprising at the time and has grown in controversy as he's had an All-Star caliber 19-20 season.

USA Basketball officials suggested that this version of Adebayo wasn't on display during camp.

Adebayo admitted that losing out on a roster spot to Brook Lopez and Miles Plumlee left him with a “bigger chip on my shoulder.”

“Obviously no man wants to get cut, so I take it personally,” Adebayo told Marc Stein Of The New York Times. “But it’s behind me now.”

Yet Adebayo insisted that “it’s not the reason why I’ve been doing what I’m doing.”

I tend to believe the Team USA officials, if he was in there timid afraid to look at the basket I can see why he wasn't picked. But it's good he's able to find some self-motivation from that experience.

[al bondiga]

Nunn is 24 and on the best condition he will ever probably be, playing a lot should not be a problem. I would not trade dragon unless something very good came up, we need him a lot

[al bondiga]

The decision to omit Bam Adebayo from the United States World Cup roster was surprising at the time and has grown in controversy as he's had an All-Star caliber 19-20 season.

USA Basketball officials suggested that this version of Adebayo wasn't on display during camp.

Adebayo admitted that losing out on a roster spot to Brook Lopez and Miles Plumlee left him with a “bigger chip on my shoulder.”

“Obviously no man wants to get cut, so I take it personally,” Adebayo told Marc Stein Of The New York Times. “But it’s behind me now.”

Yet Adebayo insisted that “it’s not the reason why I’ve been doing what I’m doing.”

I tend to believe the Team USA officials, if he was in there timid afraid to look at the basket I can see why he wasn't picked. But it's good he's able to find some self-motivation from that experience.

[MettaWorldPanda]

As much as I love Dragic I think if a team covets his expiring and we have a chance to keep Winslow we have to go that route first. If Winslow can settle in behind Nunn in that backup PG swiss army play all positions role I think it would be a lot more beneficial to the extended future of this team. I know it will be really hard to make a deal without a young carrot like Winslow to throw in but I would be shopping Dragic and KO for any type of formidable front court help for someone looking to get out of a two year contract and save money going into next year.

[twix2500]

As much as I love Dragic I think if a team covets his expiring and we have a chance to keep Winslow we have to go that route first. If Winslow can settle in behind Nunn in that backup PG swiss army play all positions role I think it would be a lot more beneficial to the extended future of this team. I know it will be really hard to make a deal without a young carrot like Winslow to throw in but I would be shopping Dragic and KO for any type of formidable front court help for someone looking to get out of a two year contract and save money going into next year.

I don't there are bigs available that are worth Dragic. Portis intrigues me but he is a not worth Dragic. Another player I think may be had is Willie Cauley Stein. DJJ swap for WCS seems ideal

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[twix2500]

We might wait this out until the trade deadline when the market settles and teams lower their demands on players they couldn't trade to a desperate GM. But I know Riley is hunting and is looking to upgrade this season.

Yeah no rush to get it done. Winslow being hurt so damn much really kills his trade value. That has been the issue for the past 2 years with Winslow, Waiters and Johnson. Missing games has hurt their value

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Winslow not being able to stay healthy is definitely a problem. We are in a tough position to negotiate unless we are willing to give up a Duncan Robinson or Nunn (Herro might be off the table due to his young age and upside).

DJJ's trade value should be on the rise. He has displayed some impressive defensive skills in the past few games. Dragic also offers an enticing expiring deal and he is still a very good player that could benefit someone in a 3 team trade.

The Heat just have to be careful and not give up too much in the process. What gives me peace of mind is knowing Riley would only pull the trigger if he knows the move will get us closer to a championship. Hope he still has more of that magic in him.

I agree with this. Do not expect heat to panic. Do not expect them to gut the team unless it's for a star. If it's a role player, it should be just swapping role players. Heat are not desperate.

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[twix2500]

The only reason I would trade Dragic is to be a cap filler for a star or refilling the roster for role players after the heat guts the team for a star in another trade. Exactly how the Heat used Brian Grant (Shaq) and Eddie Jones (JWill, Posey Walker)

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[MettaWorldPanda]

The only reason I would trade Dragic is to be a cap filler for a star or refilling the roster for role players after the heat guts the team for a star in another trade.

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I think in the event we do trade Dragic the Heat organization will do everything in it's power to make sure he is traded to a preferred destination. I mean if we are looking at a deal with the Spurs we can do something like Dragic and KO for LMA and Belinelli which matches dollar for dollar. Now i don't think the Spurs have any use for Dragic so a third team will need to be involved. A team that will give a few young assets to the Spurs. Most likely a playoff team in need of some firepower off the bench at PG. Maybe a team like the Nuggets who I believe have shown interest in Dragic in the past.

[twix2500]

The only reason I would trade Dragic is to be a cap filler for a star or refilling the roster for role players after the heat guts the team for a star in another trade. Exactly how the Heat used Brian Grant (Shaq) and Eddie Jones (JWill, Posey Walker)


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I think in the event we do trade Dragic the Heat organization will do everything in it's power to make sure he is traded to a preferred destination. I mean if we are looking at a deal with the Spurs we can do something like Dragic and KO for LMA and Belinelli which matches dollar for dollar. Now i don't think the Spurs have any use for Dragic so a third team will need to be involved. A team that will give a few young assets to the Spurs. Most likely a playoff team in need of some firepower off the bench at PG. Maybe a team like the Nuggets who I believe have shown interest in Dragic in the past.

I would do that if I was the Heat for LaMarcus, but the spurs are not a team that value capspace because they are not a free agent destination. Maybe if they had gotten word that Drummond is willing to sign with Spur this offseason, they may make a hasty move for Dragic Cap. That would also mean the Spurs were definitly out of the playoffs.

[MettaWorldPanda]

The only reason I would trade Dragic is to be a cap filler for a star or refilling the roster for role players after the heat guts the team for a star in another trade. Exactly how the Heat used Brian Grant (Shaq) and Eddie Jones (JWill, Posey Walker)


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I think in the event we do trade Dragic the Heat organization will do everything in it's power to make sure he is traded to a preferred destination. I mean if we are looking at a deal with the Spurs we can do something like Dragic and KO for LMA and Belinelli which matches dollar for dollar. Now i don't think the Spurs have any use for Dragic so a third team will need to be involved. A team that will give a few young assets to the Spurs. Most likely a playoff team in need of some firepower off the bench at PG. Maybe a team like the Nuggets who I believe have shown interest in Dragic in the past.

I would do that if I was the Heat for LaMarcus, but the spurs are not a team that value capspace because they are not a free agent destination. Maybe if they had gotten word that Drummond is willing to sign with Spur this offseason, they may make a hasty move for Dragic Cap. That would also mean the Spurs were definitly out of the playoffs.

Tell me what you think about this trade. I think it makes sense for everyone here. Trade checker approved

Miami gets

C LaMarcus Aldridge
SG Marco Belinelli

Denver gets

PG Goran Dragic
SG DeMar DeRozan

Spurs get

C Kelly Olynyk
PF Mason Plumlee
SF/SF Will Barton
SG Gary Harris
Denver Future 1st

[twix2500]

I think in the event we do trade Dragic the Heat organization will do everything in it's power to make sure he is traded to a preferred destination. I mean if we are looking at a deal with the Spurs we can do something like Dragic and KO for LMA and Belinelli which matches dollar for dollar. Now i don't think the Spurs have any use for Dragic so a third team will need to be involved. A team that will give a few young assets to the Spurs. Most likely a playoff team in need of some firepower off the bench at PG. Maybe a team like the Nuggets who I believe have shown interest in Dragic in the past.

I would do that if I was the Heat for LaMarcus, but the spurs are not a team that value capspace because they are not a free agent destination. Maybe if they had gotten word that Drummond is willing to sign with Spur this offseason, they may make a hasty move for Dragic Cap. That would also mean the Spurs were definitly out of the playoffs.

Tell me what you think about this trade. I think it makes sense for everyone here. Trade checker approved

Miami gets

C LaMarcus Aldridge
SG Marco Belinelli

Denver gets

PG Goran Dragic
SG DeMar DeRozan

Spurs get

C Kelly Olynyk
PF Mason Plumlee
SF/SF Will Barton
SG Gary Harris
Denver Future 1st

I don't think the Spurs would be interested in Gary Harris. I think they are sold on Murray and Walker as their future. I would be really surprised.

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[twix2500]

I think Willie Cauley Stein will want to be moved to a winning team to boost his free agency stock. He has a player option this summer.

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[twix2500]

GOM, Derrick Jones comes with bird rights?

[greg4012]

I basically consider Butler, Bam, Herro, Nunn, and Robinson part of "the core", the players I'd like to build around and don't think you could easily upgrade from their roles, I'd like to see Dragic retained, Leonard retained at a much lower number and then the rest of the players utilized to upgrade the roster. Winslow has some very good attributes but with Butler on board, only defensively does he really fit in with him, I'd rather find some other team who is willing to roll the dice on Justise as a main ball handler and acquire a more proven good player(but it has to be a somewhat clear upgrade from current Justise, which will be difficult to do).

I fully agree with your assessment here, but you lose me with some of the moves you've indicated as being willing to make in this thread as a result of the assessment. I see things similar to you and do believe the commitment to the Butler window compels some leveraging of assets for a move now. But, I don't think we are (or should be) looking to make a move just for the sake of making ourselves marginally better if it compromises the flexibility (and ability) for a big boost in 2021. There are moves that can be made using some of our assets that allow for potential improvement without fully compromising the 2021 plan. Now, if we have an opportunity to make a move for a truly elite player, I'm fine with compromising 2021 for that.

[greg4012]

Giannis and Bam share an agent and they could both be getting paid by us at the same time. Giannis and Bam are this agents only major NBA players as well. Bam and Giannis also worked out together. Here's a quote from Bam talking about their friendship.

“We’ve got the same agent and I feel like it started because we started respecting each other’s games. When we go at it, it’s like force meets force,” Adebayo told Shandel Richardson of The Athletic. “There’s no back down from either one of us. When you play against dudes like that, it’s a grind but you start to respect him because he’s not backing from me and I’m not backing down from him. It came from mutual respect of each other.”

I have irrational fantasies about how freaky and flexible a Giannis-Bam pick and roll offense would be.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I would do that if I was the Heat for LaMarcus, but the spurs are not a team that value capspace because they are not a free agent destination. Maybe if they had gotten word that Drummond is willing to sign with Spur this offseason, they may make a hasty move for Dragic Cap. That would also mean the Spurs were definitly out of the playoffs.

Tell me what you think about this trade. I think it makes sense for everyone here. Trade checker approved

Miami gets

C LaMarcus Aldridge
SG Marco Belinelli

Denver gets

PG Goran Dragic
SG DeMar DeRozan

Spurs get

C Kelly Olynyk
PF Mason Plumlee
SF/SF Will Barton
SG Gary Harris
Denver Future 1st

I don't think the Spurs would be interested in Gary Harris. I think they are sold on Murray and Walker as their future. I would be really surprised.

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Harris is a piece and a piece that would slide into the vacated spot of DeRozan. He also allows them more flexibility to make more deals. Murray is a PG and Walker in the short term remains in the same spot he's in now as a backup two guard.