Gordon Hayward Thread

[jfs1000d]

Problem last year was Rozier. Never passed the ball. Morris, who I loved, was also a black hole.


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Problem last year was Rozier. Never passed the ball. Morris, who I loved, was also a black hole.

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I need to get back to thanking those guys, on each victory cigar thread, for no longer being on the team. There were way too many mouths to feed last year anyway, but those were the dead end ones.

To the topic at hand I’ll be glad to see Gordon whenever we do, no need to rush it, JB and JT are soaking up the usage now and while we’re (hopefully still) better with everyone healthy it’s helpful developmentally to get those reps.

Still can’t believe our five best players are all perimeter players but so it goes.

[celtxman]

“Yeah, if he gave the ball up, it wasn’t coming back,” said president of basketball operations Danny Ainge. “I mean, I think it was everybody trying to figure out like how they could earn their opportunities, and there wasn’t enough to go around to feed everybody.”
Thank you....THANK YOU DANNY! It took a long time to hear, but it summarizes Hayward's last season. All this talk about Hayward screwing everybody else up was backwards. He was the mature player, not complaining and taking a step back. This from an All Star player who most publications and media outlets had ranked as a player equal to or better than Kyrie Irving when the were both coming into Boston. Now, speaking of injuries, does anyone think the oft injured Irving will miss a beat taking 'his' shots when he comes back despite the Nets success without him and their poor play with him? It doesn't work that way in the NBA with All Stars....except Hayward. I truly understand the dynamic of the Celtics trying to be a title contendor last season and players like Tatum and Brown losing shots. I also know what it took for Hayward to actually get shots. This season Tatum is averaging 18.6 shots and shooting 41 percent. Last season Hayward took 18 shots once and hit 14 of them. His two times he attempted 16 shots and was 8-16 and 12-16. There were no 3-16 games in there (or 1-18.) After Tatum was 1-18 this season, he followed with 20 and 23 shots in his next two games. It's a lot easier to play when you aren't looking over your shoulder.
This isn't about criticizing Tatum, but it's about the false narrative that Hayward held people back. Last season Tatum had a much more efficient/productive 13 shots, Morris and Brown had 11 each and Hayward had just under 9 shots a game. How many NBA All Stars would be tolerating that without complaining openly or through channels?
And yet even recently you'd see, "If we can get Kevin Love for Hayward, how many of our extra assets will we need to give Cleveland to get him?

[Floody100]

Might be an unpopular opinion but maybe we need to trade him with these injuries. Try & trade him for an expiring contract (preferably a big). Makes it easier to pay Tatum I guess.
Thoughts ?

[cloverleaf]

Problem last year was Rozier. Never passed the ball. Morris, who I loved, was also a black hole.


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Rozier had a bad year last season, but as a backup PG who averaged 4.6 assists/36 on 18.6% usage on 22.7 minutes per game, he's really not to blame for the season.

The season was lost in the playoffs, where Terry wasn't the Celtics PG who screwed the team over.

In fact, he was third on the team at +9.6 in on-off per 100 possessions for the post-season.

The putative team leader, Mr. Irving? He was a -4.2 in on-offf per 100 possessions.

[Dangit]

Might be an unpopular opinion but maybe we need to trade him with these injuries. Try & trade him for an expiring contract (preferably a big). Makes it easier to pay Tatum I guess.
Thoughts ?

No

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Might be an unpopular opinion but maybe we need to trade him with these injuries. Try & trade him for an expiring contract (preferably a big). Makes it easier to pay Tatum I guess.
Thoughts ?

I don't think this is a bad idea at all. Hayward can't stay healthy and he's in a contract year and will likely opt out.

May as well try to get something for him

[Marvel]

Might be an unpopular opinion but maybe we need to trade him with these injuries. Try & trade him for an expiring contract (preferably a big). Makes it easier to pay Tatum I guess.
Thoughts ?

I don't think this is a bad idea at all. Hayward can't stay healthy and he's in a contract year and will likely opt out.

May as well try to get something for him

I'm 100 on that. Just hope some GM is desperate enough to trade for a guy whose foot could possibly never heal properly. This is the way.

[ParticleMan]

Nah, we're not getting squat for Hayward. I mean really guys. Which GM is going to go, yeah, here's a $30m contract who can't stay healthy and will probably leave at the end of the year... sure, I'm going to give up a decent big for that! Seriously even Billy King wouldn't do that.

I say we keep him and hope that he is somehow healthy in the playoffs. If he is we have a shot at the finals. If he isn't I don't think we do. You don't get shots at the finals all that often.

[Parasite]

We aren’t getting anything for Hayward and if he stays injured why would he opt out?

[Scarletfire81]

Cavs may trade Love for him if we include picks or young players. But Ainge probably wouldn’t do it.

[celtxman]

Cavs may trade Love for him if we include picks or young players. But Ainge probably wouldn’t do it.

I wrote last week that these types of trades drive me crazy. We all saw how Hayward has played when healthy and just looking to get Love and heaping assets to get rid of Hayward was ridiculous. There was no real indication of any potentially bad injury.
But everything hinges on him being relatively healthy. What is with Hayward's left foot that he can't play after a bunch of days off after being out a month? Brad Stevens didn't say anything encouraging at the press conference. It is the same foot/ankle that was broken. Whether you're Gordon Hayward, Brandon Roy, or Lebron James, if your foot is still a problem, this is a very bad thing.
Lets hope the MRI today goes well.

[Scarletfire81]

Cavs may trade Love for him if we include picks or young players. But Ainge probably wouldn’t do it.

I wrote last week that these types of trades drive me crazy. We all saw how Hayward has played when healthy and just looking to get Love and heaping assets to get rid of Hayward was ridiculous. There was no real indication of any potentially bad injury.
But everything hinges on him being relatively healthy. What is with Hayward's left foot that he can't play after a bunch of days off after being out a month? Brad Stevens didn't say anything encouraging at the press conference. It is the same foot/ankle that was broken. Whether you're Gordon Hayward, Brandon Roy, or Lebron James, if your foot is still a problem, this is a very bad thing.
Lets hope the MRI today goes well.

I wouldn’t trade healthy Hayward for Love but he’s not healthy. Who’s knows if he ever fully will be. I would at least consider trading him for love. We definitely wouldn’t be worse. The only thing is what assets would we have to include.

[yazfan]

Might be an unpopular opinion but maybe we need to trade him with these injuries. Try & trade him for an expiring contract (preferably a big). Makes it easier to pay Tatum I guess.
Thoughts ?

I don't think this is a bad idea at all. Hayward can't stay healthy and he's in a contract year and will likely opt out.

May as well try to get something for him

I am equally bummed on Hayward.

He is not opting out though.

No one will pay him the 33 mill he is due next year, so Hayward will be here 1 more year IMO

[celtxman]

Cavs may trade Love for him if we include picks or young players. But Ainge probably wouldn’t do it.

I wrote last week that these types of trades drive me crazy. We all saw how Hayward has played when healthy and just looking to get Love and heaping assets to get rid of Hayward was ridiculous. There was no real indication of any potentially bad injury.
But everything hinges on him being relatively healthy. What is with Hayward's left foot that he can't play after a bunch of days off after being out a month? Brad Stevens didn't say anything encouraging at the press conference. It is the same foot/ankle that was broken. Whether you're Gordon Hayward, Brandon Roy, or Lebron James, if your foot is still a problem, this is a very bad thing.
Lets hope the MRI today goes well.

I wouldn’t trade healthy Hayward for Love but he’s not healthy. Who’s knows if he ever fully will be. I would at least consider trading him for love. We definitely wouldn’t be worse. The only thing is what assets would we have to include.

Things may have changed. Last week as far as we knew BOTH players had injury concerns. You wouldn't have said to get Love because of a better injury history. So if both players had the same degree of health, you would keep Hayward as the better player and certainly not give up extra assets to make the trade. Throw in the extra year on Love's contract, and you could argue the Cavs would have to give up extra assets in a trade for Hayward.
This foot thing, was almost a forgotten reference that hadn't cost Hayward any time this season. It was so underplayed I had to look it up to see if it was the same foot. This could potentially change everything if the results of the MRI are bad

[Scarletfire81]

I wrote last week that these types of trades drive me crazy. We all saw how Hayward has played when healthy and just looking to get Love and heaping assets to get rid of Hayward was ridiculous. There was no real indication of any potentially bad injury.
But everything hinges on him being relatively healthy. What is with Hayward's left foot that he can't play after a bunch of days off after being out a month? Brad Stevens didn't say anything encouraging at the press conference. It is the same foot/ankle that was broken. Whether you're Gordon Hayward, Brandon Roy, or Lebron James, if your foot is still a problem, this is a very bad thing.
Lets hope the MRI today goes well.

I wouldn’t trade healthy Hayward for Love but he’s not healthy. Who’s knows if he ever fully will be. I would at least consider trading him for love. We definitely wouldn’t be worse. The only thing is what assets would we have to include.

Things may have changed. Last week as far as we knew BOTH players had injury concerns. You wouldn't have said to get Love because of a better injury history. So if both players had the same degree of health, you would keep Hayward as the better player and certainly not give up extra assets to make the trade. Throw in the extra year on Love's contract, and you could argue the Cavs would have to give up extra assets in a trade for Hayward.
This foot thing, was almost a forgotten reference that hadn't cost Hayward any time this season. It was so underplayed I had to look it up to see if it was the same foot. This could potentially change everything if the results of the MRI are bad

If there is a way we could trade for Love & TT that might be something to look into. Something like Hayward, Kanter, and Edwards or Langford for Love and TT. Works salary wise I believe. Starting 5 of Kemba, Brown,Tatum,Love & TT. No saying I would do it but I would entertain the idea.

[Jaqua92]

I wonder if any of it could be psychosomatic. The subconscious mind can do not do amazing things to the nervous system

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[ddb]

I want nothing more then to see Hayward do well and stay in Boston for a long time....but this dudes health! He's like the Grant Hill of Boston. Guy just can't stay on the court. I don't want to trade him, but if he's got value around the league Ainge needs to seriously consider it....

[jfs1000d]

Hayward is going to be fine. Maybe his foot hurts. What ya gonna do?


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[keevsnick1]

I think we may be jumping the gun a bit here, right now its just some foot pain he's missed 1 game from. Lets wait and see how this plays out before we label him as a lost injury cause.