Jaylen Brown: “It wasn’t Kyrie’s fault. It was on the coaches and FO.”

[akhan786]

Kyrie’s biggest mistake was getting hurt his first year with the C’s

Lebron’s last year in Cleveland had THE WORST Eastern Conference in memory. That’s why a Kyrie and Hayward-less Celtics were able to get to the ECF.

After that....Pandora’s box was open and the chemistry was ruined because guys were entering years that were important for their personal careers (Rozier contract year, Brown and Tatum need to prove playoffs were no fluke, Hayward needed to prove he was not damaged goods)

The offense SHOULD have been built around Kyrie but the rest of the team did not want to buy in. If Kyrie was healthy for those playoffs AND BEAT LEBRON. I think we would have a very different opinion about the Boston Celtics right now.

So I think ultimately the blame falls on bad freaking luck

[amcoolio]

Lot of Rozier blaming in this thread yet he's been great taking a back seat to emerging star Devonte Graham in Charlotte

Also when Terry got a new contract weren't Tatum and Brown first to congratulate and support him?

Rozier's problem wasn't that he had a better player along side him. It was that he was a dribble heavy ball hog as a backup when what was needed from him was a defensive first shot maker. He logged the most time with the ball in his hands after Kyrie. Combine that with his bad playmaking and inability to make shots besides step back 3s and the whoever he plays with gets freezed out. In an ecosystem where shots and touches are hard to balance already, Rozier threw a cocktail molotov at it.

Rozier is much more acceptable where it doesn't matter if he takes a lot of possessions like the situation he is in now or when Kyrie went down. The rant where he said he said he sacrificed the most was bullcrap though as he was the worst offender of guys who didn't buy in



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Rozier has been playing 2 guard since Devonte has been starting and he isn't freezing out anyone nor ball hogging. Actually putting up career highs in every category. Maybe Brad Stevens just didn't know how to use Rozier.

[Karmaloop]

I'm sorry is that supposed to give them Power over Brown? does that take away his autonomy? No. He did them a favour accepting their deal because he could have gotten the same if not more on the open market.

You're missing the ENTIRETY of the post. It's general knowledge you don't go airing your laundry publicly about your employer or coworkers. If the C's started publicly criticizing Jaylen Brown, that's going to lead to a LOT of sour grapes. You can sidestep the entirety of the question pretty easily, but instead he chose to blame the FO and coaching staff. That seems like a great way to endear yourself to you employer.

[Prokorov]

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Umm, this is a little awkward when Marcus Smart, Jayson Tatum have said multiple times that their entire team could’ve done better.

as i pointed out in an earlier thread:

Owner, President, GM, coach, multiple current celtics, multiple fomer celtics who were on last years team, the play-by-play guy All unanimously say it wasnt kyrie or kyrie wasnt the big problem

celtic fans: it was kyrie

this needs to die. move on. celtics players need to move on and more importantly boston media asking these questions need to move on. im not sure the fans will mvoe on until they find theyre next scape goat

[Karmaloop]

Jaylen Brown is a smart, articulate defense-first young Player who is on the upside and continues to excel in every category across the board. He has shown a willingness to step up in big moments and to also take a step back for the sake of The Team.

You think the Celtics would easily trade him? No. He has all the leverage. They can trade him but both parties know it would probably favour Jaylen because he'll get more touches and will accelerate his growth. He's hold his organization accountable while also mimicking what they themselves had said.

No. Not even close. If you're going down the list of guys in terms of untouchability, Jaylen Brown is pretty clearly behind Jayson Tatum and Brad Stevens. I'd venture to say that he's behind Danny Ainge as well. Jaylen Brown isn't a franchise player. Hell, I'm not even sure he's a #2 on a championship team. Those aren't the types of players who are going to dictate the path of the franchise.

[Prokorov]

As disastrous as Kyrie's last year on the celtics was, I think it's pretty interesting that his former teammates and now current teammates in Brooklyn have been reported quite a few times this season speaking out publicly in support of him.

i still dont get how last year was so disasterous.

50 wins, won a playoff round, lost to the #1 seed and MVP (Giannis).

thats not disasterouls to me. disasterous to me would be like 38-44 and missing the playoffs by 1 game cause you blew a lead at home on the last day of the season

[Prokorov]

One of the biggest What-if scenario's lol

What could've happened if they all bought in last year?

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they lost to the bucks in 6 instead of 5?

[ballup]

Lot of Rozier blaming in this thread yet he's been great taking a back seat to emerging star Devonte Graham in Charlotte

Also when Terry got a new contract weren't Tatum and Brown first to congratulate and support him?

Rozier's problem wasn't that he had a better player along side him. It was that he was a dribble heavy ball hog as a backup when what was needed from him was a defensive first shot maker. He logged the most time with the ball in his hands after Kyrie. Combine that with his bad playmaking and inability to make shots besides step back 3s and the whoever he plays with gets freezed out. In an ecosystem where shots and touches are hard to balance already, Rozier threw a cocktail molotov at it.

Rozier is much more acceptable where it doesn't matter if he takes a lot of possessions like the situation he is in now or when Kyrie went down. The rant where he said he said he sacrificed the most was bullcrap though as he was the worst offender of guys who didn't buy in



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Rozier has been playing 2 guard since Devonte has been starting and he isn't freezing out anyone nor ball hogging. Actually putting up career highs in every category. Maybe Brad Stevens just didn't know how to use Rozier.

Like I said, when Rozier is in a situation where he has a lot of leeway, he's fine. When he was in situations where he has to make every possession count, he hurt the team the most and that says a lot with how passive Hayward was last season. That's on him for not actually sacrificing his wants for the betterment of the team. Good for him for getting the bag and playing better this season. That doesn't erase the selfish choices he made.

I know you are trying to do petty digs at Stevens, but Stevens doesn't hard structure his players on offense like a Carlisle. He encourages them to play their games and will only push for ideas like ball movement. Rozier had offensive freedom regardless of his minutes and that's just ego not letting better playmakers like Smart/Hayward run the offense. Stevens deserves fault for not putting his foot down by establishing stricter roles.

[GWVan]

I'm going to come clean and put this to bed once and for all.

It was my fault, 100%

[BKSZN]

Not surprising. Only Celtic fans and media are 100% blaming kyrie. Everybody on that team except maybe Morris acknowledges multiple factors playing a role

[amcoolio]

Rozier's problem wasn't that he had a better player along side him. It was that he was a dribble heavy ball hog as a backup when what was needed from him was a defensive first shot maker. He logged the most time with the ball in his hands after Kyrie. Combine that with his bad playmaking and inability to make shots besides step back 3s and the whoever he plays with gets freezed out. In an ecosystem where shots and touches are hard to balance already, Rozier threw a cocktail molotov at it.

Rozier is much more acceptable where it doesn't matter if he takes a lot of possessions like the situation he is in now or when Kyrie went down. The rant where he said he said he sacrificed the most was bullcrap though as he was the worst offender of guys who didn't buy in



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Rozier has been playing 2 guard since Devonte has been starting and he isn't freezing out anyone nor ball hogging. Actually putting up career highs in every category. Maybe Brad Stevens just didn't know how to use Rozier.

Like I said, when Rozier is in a situation where he has a lot of leeway, he's fine. When he was in situations where he has to make every possession count, he hurt the team the most and that says a lot with how passive Hayward was last season. That's on him for not actually sacrificing his wants for the betterment of the team. Good for him for getting the bag and playing better this season. That doesn't erase the selfish choices he made.

I know you are trying to do petty digs at Stevens, but Stevens doesn't hard structure his players on offense like a Carlisle. He encourages them to play their games and will only push for ideas like ball movement. Rozier had offensive freedom regardless of his minutes and that's just ego not letting better playmakers like Smart/Hayward run the offense. Stevens deserves fault for not putting his foot down by establishing stricter roles.

No petty digs, but it really seems based on your reasoning like Stevens just let Rozier do whatever he wanted and not instruct him to be an off the ball catch and shoot and secondary ball handler which he has had no qualms doing in Charlotte and is excelling at. Maybe Rozier matured, I don't know.

I mean the Hornets are 13-17 and about 9 games better than 100% of RealGM had them before the season so he must be doing something right.

[ballup]

Rozier has been playing 2 guard since Devonte has been starting and he isn't freezing out anyone nor ball hogging. Actually putting up career highs in every category. Maybe Brad Stevens just didn't know how to use Rozier.

Like I said, when Rozier is in a situation where he has a lot of leeway, he's fine. When he was in situations where he has to make every possession count, he hurt the team the most and that says a lot with how passive Hayward was last season. That's on him for not actually sacrificing his wants for the betterment of the team. Good for him for getting the bag and playing better this season. That doesn't erase the selfish choices he made.

I know you are trying to do petty digs at Stevens, but Stevens doesn't hard structure his players on offense like a Carlisle. He encourages them to play their games and will only push for ideas like ball movement. Rozier had offensive freedom regardless of his minutes and that's just ego not letting better playmakers like Smart/Hayward run the offense. Stevens deserves fault for not putting his foot down by establishing stricter roles.

No petty digs, but it really seems based on your reasoning like Stevens just let Rozier do whatever he wanted and not instruct him to be an off the ball catch and shoot and secondary ball handler which he has had no qualms doing in Charlotte and is excelling at. Maybe Rozier matured, I don't know.

I mean the Hornets are 13-17 and about 9 games better than 100% of RealGM had them before the season so he must be doing something right.

Rozier still has the ball in his hands a lot like vastly more than his teammates other than Graham. That's fine as a starting guard. A guy like him looks better in that kind of environment where there isn't a giant line of players better than him needing touches. To me, he's still the same player. Someone who is a million dollar move, 10 cent finisher. He's a poor passer, but a great rebounder. Can be a good defender. Ultimately, someone who is a rhythm guy who needs minutes and shots to look good.

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[Jaqua92]

Not surprising. Only Celtic fans and media are 100% blaming kyrie. Everybody on that team except maybe Morris acknowledges multiple factors playing a role

I'm not.

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[Jaqua92]

What? The two are nothing alike and this is nothing like the BS Kyrie kept spouting.

So Jaylen didn’t say anything awkward here throwing his coaching staff and FO under the bus? Just normal stuff we hear from players all the time?

I’m willing bet you spent all of last season defending Kyrie’s BS just like you’re doing right now.

He awkwardly fumbled through the company line:

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2019/11/26/danny-ainge-points-finger-at-himself-for-last-years-celtics-failure/

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2019/05/09/brad-stevens-accepts-blame-for-celtics-failure-i-did-a-bad-job/

Its pretty clear the organizational philosophy has been to blame the FO and the coaches and not any single player. Players obviously get coached on PR stuff and the organization smartly said to blame the FO and coaching staff rather than a player.

This is really a giant nothing burger.

Smart, this is one hell of a defense rationalization

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[MagicBagley18]

Rozier has been playing 2 guard since Devonte has been starting and he isn't freezing out anyone nor ball hogging. Actually putting up career highs in every category. Maybe Brad Stevens just didn't know how to use Rozier.

Like I said, when Rozier is in a situation where he has a lot of leeway, he's fine. When he was in situations where he has to make every possession count, he hurt the team the most and that says a lot with how passive Hayward was last season. That's on him for not actually sacrificing his wants for the betterment of the team. Good for him for getting the bag and playing better this season. That doesn't erase the selfish choices he made.

I know you are trying to do petty digs at Stevens, but Stevens doesn't hard structure his players on offense like a Carlisle. He encourages them to play their games and will only push for ideas like ball movement. Rozier had offensive freedom regardless of his minutes and that's just ego not letting better playmakers like Smart/Hayward run the offense. Stevens deserves fault for not putting his foot down by establishing stricter roles.

No petty digs, but it really seems based on your reasoning like Stevens just let Rozier do whatever he wanted and not instruct him to be an off the ball catch and shoot and secondary ball handler which he has had no qualms doing in Charlotte and is excelling at. Maybe Rozier matured, I don't know.

I mean the Hornets are 13-17 and about 9 games better than 100% of RealGM had them before the season so he must be doing something right.

It’s much easier to play off the ball and catch and shoot while getting paid $20 million per year vs being in a contract year and being asked to do that, one would imagine no?

[cl2117]

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Umm, this is a little awkward when Marcus Smart, Jayson Tatum have said multiple times that their entire team could’ve done better.

as i pointed out in an earlier thread:

Owner, President, GM, coach, multiple current celtics, multiple fomer celtics who were on last years team, the play-by-play guy All unanimously say it wasnt kyrie or kyrie wasnt the big problem

celtic fans: it was kyrie

this needs to die. move on. celtics players need to move on and more importantly boston media asking these questions need to move on. im not sure the fans will mvoe on until they find theyre next scape goat

The bolded is flat out false. They all say Kyrie wasn't the only problem. That they had bigger problems. But they all unanimously say that Kyrie WAS a problem.

[cl2117]

And with Jaylen Brown’s remarks, he ironically and inadvertently becomes the new Kyrie Irving on the Celtics.

And who says Kyrie didn’t teach the young players anything?

What? The two are nothing alike and this is nothing like the BS Kyrie kept spouting.

So Jaylen didn’t say anything awkward here throwing his coaching staff and FO under the bus? Just normal stuff we hear from players all the time?

I’m willing bet you spent all of last season defending Kyrie’s BS just like you’re doing right now.

I was done with Kyrie since he said the earth was flat.

This isn't causing any issues in the locker room that's the difference. He's awkwardly parroting the company line on what went wrong last season, but he's not calling out his current teammates. HUGE difference. You can compare the two, but they're on different levels in terms of team distraction.

[itrsteve]

He awkwardly fumbled through the company line:

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2019/11/26/danny-ainge-points-finger-at-himself-for-last-years-celtics-failure/

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2019/05/09/brad-stevens-accepts-blame-for-celtics-failure-i-did-a-bad-job/

Its pretty clear the organizational philosophy has been to blame the FO and the coaches and not any single player. Players obviously get coached on PR stuff and the organization smartly said to blame the FO and coaching staff rather than a player.

This is really a giant nothing burger.

It’s really that simple, I know people want to make it into something that it’s not since there isn’t much to talk about these days. The messaging is clear and consistent across all of them, he didn’t say anything different Danny did... Just came from a different mouth.

I know its fun to make something out of nothing, but meh.

[Deivork]

Jaylen Brown is annoying.

Maybe to you. Not at all to me.

[MagicBagley18]

As disastrous as Kyrie's last year on the celtics was, I think it's pretty interesting that his former teammates and now current teammates in Brooklyn have been reported quite a few times this season speaking out publicly in support of him.

i still dont get how last year was so disasterous.

50 wins, won a playoff round, lost to the #1 seed and MVP (Giannis).

thats not disasterouls to me. disasterous to me would be like 38-44 and missing the playoffs by 1 game cause you blew a lead at home on the last day of the season

Your personal Disaster sounds like your 2019-2020 Brooklyn Nets