Political Roundtable Part XXVII

[pancakes3]

also realize that ain't nobody gonna change no minds re: trump. it's almost 2020. if you're not on board the nevertrump train, then BYE.

it's not like Da1's sitting there stroking his beard thinking "man, i really want to vote Dem but here they go again, impeaching people. but for this impeachment, i was going to really give it a principled look and weigh the pros and cons of each candidate."

and Da1's one of the guys who can admit that Trump is bad. just not as bad as Warren/Sanders/Clinton. There are real sycophants out there who think he's the messiah.

if you want to hit "independents" you have to make it real clear to them re: their wallets.

1) You won't have insurance deducted from your wages with M4A so even if taxes increase, you end up with more money in your pocket.
2) Taxes will only go up for Corps and mega wealth. If you're a 200k guy, your taxes will not go up.
3) Corps are straight up STEALING YOUR MONEY. The dow jones has quadrupled since the 2008 recession. has your paycheck?
4) Student debt isn't about lazy kids not living up to their obligations but rather a broken system where you need money to make money.

and of course hitting trump back with concise, (leading) unweasle-able soundbytes.
"Oh really? We're respected? What about the EU leaders laughing at you?"
"Oh really, we're safe? How's NK going for you?"
"What toilets? What water regs? When did the regs go in effect? 1995 you say? People have been flushing 10-15x for 25 years now? And you're just now bringing it up?"
"We know Russia interfered with the election. What are you doing about it?"

[pancakes3]

fantastic.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/20/trump-criticizes-christian-evangelical-magazine-for-impeachment-stance.html

[TGW]

The only significant bill he's passed through Congress was Ryan's tax bill.

lol, and the R's had complete control of the house/senate/WH for 2 of the 3 years.
and there was a shut down.
frankly it's embarrassing how little legislation got passed.

gotta love ultraleft outrage. it's like an angsty teen yelling at their old fuddy-duddy parents. "YOU'RE BOTH LITERAL HITLERS AND YOU'RE LITERALLY RUINING MY LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIFE"

"ok, just be back by midnight. love you."

I think it's weird that some people on the left are critical of impeachment when Pelosi does it, yet people like Alexandria Ocasio-cortez, Sanders, Warren, Talib were for it even before Pelosi.

Except the people on the left actually wanted to impeach for REAL reasons, not this stupid partisan hack Ukraine reason. Don't try and compare the two.

[Kanyewest]

lol, and the R's had complete control of the house/senate/WH for 2 of the 3 years.
and there was a shut down.
frankly it's embarrassing how little legislation got passed.

gotta love ultraleft outrage. it's like an angsty teen yelling at their old fuddy-duddy parents. "YOU'RE BOTH LITERAL HITLERS AND YOU'RE LITERALLY RUINING MY LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIFE"

"ok, just be back by midnight. love you."

I think it's weird that some people on the left are critical of impeachment when Pelosi does it, yet people like Alexandria Ocasio-cortez, Sanders, Warren, Talib were for it even before Pelosi.

Except the people on the left actually wanted to impeach for REAL reasons, not this stupid partisan hack Ukraine reason. Don't try and compare the two.

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Also this was before Pelosi came out for impeachment

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[Pointgod]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/former-white-house-officials-say-they-feared-putin-influenced-the-presidents-views-on-ukraine-and-2016-campaign/2019/12/19/af0fdbf6-20e9-11ea-bed5-880264cc91a9_story.html

The president’s intense resistance to the assessment of U.S. intelligence agencies that Russia systematically interfered in the 2016 campaign — and the blame he cast instead on a rival country — led many of his advisers to think that Putin himself helped spur the idea of Ukraine’s culpability, said the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe internal discussions.
...
One former senior White House official said Trump even stated so explicitly at one point, saying he knew Ukraine was the real culprit because “Putin told me.”

However, White House aides were not part of Trump’s private conversation with Putin in Hamburg, or a later meeting he had in Helsinki for two hours with the Russian president, when they were accompanied by only their interpreters.

Trump also took steps to conceal the details of his formal meeting with Putin in Hamburg, taking the notes away from his interpreter and instructing her not to discuss what had transpired with other administration officials, The Post reported earlier this year.However, White House aides were not part of Trump’s private conversation with Putin in Hamburg, or a later meeting he had in Helsinki for two hours with the Russian president, when they were accompanied by only their interpreters.

Trump also took steps to conceal the details of his formal meeting with Putin in Hamburg, taking the notes away from his interpreter and instructing her not to discuss what had transpired with other administration officials, The Post reported earlier this year.

As the impeachment articles wait in the House, news reporting continues.

More evidence of the UKR conspiracy theory's origins.

PS - so this is why DJT likes to talk in private with his puppetmaster.

Not just Donald Trump but the whole **** Republican Party. They’re spewing Russian propaganda after continually be told to stop. Republicans are traitors country.

[Jamaaliver]

fantastic.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/20/trump-criticizes-christian-evangelical-magazine-for-impeachment-stance.html

Thank God.

I've lost so much respect for evangelicals as they have repeatedly made excuses for and defended some of the most repugnant behavior I've ever seen. This doesn't make up for the overwhelming complicity, but it's a step in the right direction.

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[Pointgod]

fantastic.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/20/trump-criticizes-christian-evangelical-magazine-for-impeachment-stance.html

Someone needs to forward this to daoneandonly

To the many evangelicals who continue to support Mr. Trump in spite of his blackened moral record, we might say this: Remember who you are and whom you serve. Consider how your justification of Mr. Trump influences your witness to your Lord and Savior. Consider what an unbelieving world will say if you continue to brush off Mr. Trump’s immoral words and behavior in the cause of political expediency. If we don’t reverse course now, will anyone take anything we say about justice and righteousness with any seriousness for decades to come? Can we say with a straight face that abortion is a great evil that cannot be tolerated and, with the same straight face, say that the bent and broken character of our nation’s leader doesn’t really matter in the end?

[Jamaaliver]

[daoneandonly]

Up next Republicans comparing the piece of trash in the Whitehouse to Jesus. I’m sure that our resident Evangelical daoneandonly will have a more forceful response to this. Right? Right?

At the risk of giving myself way too much credit for an outcome that was not
exactly what I intended, DA1 hasn't been heard from since called upon
to refute or dismiss the list of DJT offenses made by Walter Shaub rather
than just attack a perfectly respectable messenger. Can't honestly
say that I miss him.

Sorry dob, you're not omnipotent, I dont need to tuck my tail between my legs like the left do when it comes to issues of abortion, illegal immigration, and the criminal justice system. I didnt respond one because its year end and that tends to have an impact on people's schedules, 2. I tried, darn it I tried to be a bigger person and not get caught up in these back & forth that's not reflective of how i was raised or what i believe in, 3. i dont scroll through every post on here, so excuse me for missing something. 4. i quite frankly dont owe you a thing, just like you cant say you miss me, i cant say i have any regard for the opinion or questions of a man who's only argument for abortion is a fetus is not the same as a baby, its science.

To Point's post which was what I wanted to reply to, you're right Point, it was an idiotic comment that the guy made, pure stupidity. No man should ever be compared to Christ, especially the likes of DJT. So I agree with you and I will call out any one on the right for making such an asinine comment.

Now will you be so kind as to do the same for the liberals in yesterday's debate who taked about ripping a baby away from a mother's arms at the border with such outrage, but in the same breath have no problem with dismembering a baby in the womb if the mother sees fit?

[Pointgod]

I think it's weird that some people on the left are critical of impeachment when Pelosi does it, yet people like Alexandria Ocasio-cortez, Sanders, Warren, Talib were for it even before Pelosi.

Except the people on the left actually wanted to impeach for REAL reasons, not this stupid partisan hack Ukraine reason. Don't try and compare the two.

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Also this was before Pelosi came out for impeachment

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Keep in min you’re talking to someone who claimed the Mueller report was some hoax. Seeing that AOC was for impeachment based on the report must burn his soul.

[daoneandonly]

fantastic.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/20/trump-criticizes-christian-evangelical-magazine-for-impeachment-stance.html

Someone needs to forward this to daoneandonly

To the many evangelicals who continue to support Mr. Trump in spite of his blackened moral record, we might say this: Remember who you are and whom you serve. Consider how your justification of Mr. Trump influences your witness to your Lord and Savior. Consider what an unbelieving world will say if you continue to brush off Mr. Trump’s immoral words and behavior in the cause of political expediency. If we don’t reverse course now, will anyone take anything we say about justice and righteousness with any seriousness for decades to come? Can we say with a straight face that abortion is a great evil that cannot be tolerated and, with the same straight face, say that the bent and broken character of our nation’s leader doesn’t really matter in the end?

That's poignant, no denying that. I know everyone on here will conveinently ignore the part about abortion being a great evil, and just cherry pick form the rest of it, but the paragraph as a whole should be taken to heart and discussed. Its an opinion piece of course, but its a very valid opinion where you can extrapolate a lot of truth.

You called me out speficially, weird considering you said I was not important enough for you to have an opinion about, but nonetheless, I never claimed to be a trump apologist or avid follower. I voted for the candidate of the 4 that once again had the higher moral makeup, its not my fault that was due to the other 3 being degenerates, blame the general public for that one.

[dckingsfan]

Well, I don't think that the church cares any longer. I think Trump's approval rating is now higher than the church.

[gtn130]

Up next Republicans comparing the piece of trash in the Whitehouse to Jesus. I’m sure that our resident Evangelical daoneandonly will have a more forceful response to this. Right? Right?

At the risk of giving myself way too much credit for an outcome that was not
exactly what I intended, DA1 hasn't been heard from since called upon
to refute or dismiss the list of DJT offenses made by Walter Shaub rather
than just attack a perfectly respectable messenger. Can't honestly
say that I miss him.

Sorry dob, you're not omnipotent, I dont need to tuck my tail between my legs like the left do when it comes to issues of abortion, illegal immigration, and the criminal justice system. I didnt respond one because its year end and that tends to have an impact on people's schedules, 2. I tried, darn it I tried to be a bigger person and not get caught up in these back & forth that's not reflective of how i was raised or what i believe in, 3. i dont scroll through every post on here, so excuse me for missing something. 4. i quite frankly dont owe you a thing, just like you cant say you miss me, i cant say i have any regard for the opinion or questions of a man who's only argument for abortion is a fetus is not the same as a baby, its science.

To Point's post which was what I wanted to reply to, you're right Point, it was an idiotic comment that the guy made, pure stupidity. No man should ever be compared to Christ, especially the likes of DJT. So I agree with you and I will call out any one on the right for making such an asinine comment.

Now will you be so kind as to do the same for the liberals in yesterday's debate who taked about ripping a baby away from a mother's arms at the border with such outrage, but in the same breath have no problem with dismbering a baby in the womb if the mother sees fit?

Why aren't you pounding the table for Mike Pence if you care so much about abortion and detest "the likes of DJT"? He would deliver everything you claim to want while acting like a choir boy.

The evangelicals unconditionally standing by Trump when the alternative is...an actual evangelical...is the biggest tell of all time - you guys love the racism and owning the libs and you use religion and abortion as cover for all of this depravity.

[dckingsfan]

Now will you be so kind as to do the same for the liberals in yesterday's debate who taked about ripping a baby away from a mother's arms at the border with such outrage, but in the same breath have no problem with dismembering a baby in the womb if the mother sees fit?

To this I would ask you to respond with remedy. And I have pointed out the absurdity of another war using the industrial prison complex to lock folks up.

I have already pointed out that abortion rates are falling quickly with what we are doing - they would fall even faster if the right would get on board.

So, what is your answer?

[daoneandonly]

At the risk of giving myself way too much credit for an outcome that was not
exactly what I intended, DA1 hasn't been heard from since called upon
to refute or dismiss the list of DJT offenses made by Walter Shaub rather
than just attack a perfectly respectable messenger. Can't honestly
say that I miss him.

Sorry dob, you're not omnipotent, I dont need to tuck my tail between my legs like the left do when it comes to issues of abortion, illegal immigration, and the criminal justice system. I didnt respond one because its year end and that tends to have an impact on people's schedules, 2. I tried, darn it I tried to be a bigger person and not get caught up in these back & forth that's not reflective of how i was raised or what i believe in, 3. i dont scroll through every post on here, so excuse me for missing something. 4. i quite frankly dont owe you a thing, just like you cant say you miss me, i cant say i have any regard for the opinion or questions of a man who's only argument for abortion is a fetus is not the same as a baby, its science.

To Point's post which was what I wanted to reply to, you're right Point, it was an idiotic comment that the guy made, pure stupidity. No man should ever be compared to Christ, especially the likes of DJT. So I agree with you and I will call out any one on the right for making such an asinine comment.

Now will you be so kind as to do the same for the liberals in yesterday's debate who taked about ripping a baby away from a mother's arms at the border with such outrage, but in the same breath have no problem with dismbering a baby in the womb if the mother sees fit?

Why aren't you pounding the table for Mike Pence if you care so much about abortion and detest "the likes of DJT"? He would deliver everything you claim to want while acting like a choir boy.

The evangelicals unconditionally standing by Trump when the alternative is...an actual evangelical...is the biggest tell of all time - you guys love the racism and owning the libs and you use religion and abortion as cover for all of this depravity.

Umm, I'm all aboard the Pence train, you havent and wont see me up in arms about the impeachment if it ultimately leads to Pence taking over, win, win, and win!

[Ruzious]

fantastic.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/20/trump-criticizes-christian-evangelical-magazine-for-impeachment-stance.html

Thank God.

I've lost so much respect for evangelicals as they have repeatedly made excuses for and defended some of the most repugnant behavior I've ever seen. This doesn't make up for the overwhelming complicity, but it's a step in the right direction.

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Still... what took them so long, and why haven't more such organizations done the same?

And... why is Trump's face so absurdly red? I'm wating for the horns to start protruding through his orange hair.

[daoneandonly]

Now will you be so kind as to do the same for the liberals in yesterday's debate who taked about ripping a baby away from a mother's arms at the border with such outrage, but in the same breath have no problem with dismembering a baby in the womb if the mother sees fit?

To this I would ask you to respond with remedy. And I have pointed out the absurdity of another war using the industrial prison complex to lock folks up.

I have already pointed out that abortion rates are falling quickly with what we are doing - they would fall even faster if the right would get on board.

So, what is your answer?

Quickly is subjective, and not zero, cero, nada, zip, whatever verbiage describes it as not being a thing, which is where it should be. The remedy is what i said, to make it illegal. You make it illegal, and those numbers clearly exponentially decrease

[Jamaaliver]

Still... what took them so long, and why haven't more such organizations done the same?

Both good questions.

NOTE: Word is CT has at least put out a few critical think pieces during the immigration debate. The rest of evangelical America...

[gtn130]

Umm, I'm all aboard the Pence train, you havent and wont see me up in arms about the impeachment if it ultimately leads to Pence taking over, win, win, and win!

Literally nobody is "all aboard the Pence train" - there is absolutely zero groundswell for impeachment among evangelicals, aside from one op-ed. Any thoughts as to why that is?

[daoneandonly]

Umm, I'm all aboard the Pence train, you havent and wont see me up in arms about the impeachment if it ultimately leads to Pence taking over, win, win, and win!

Literally nobody is "all aboard the Pence train" - there is absolutely zero groundswell for impeachment among evangelicals, aside from one op-ed. Any thoughts as to why that is?

I can only speak for myself, and I'd take Pence over Trump 10 times out of 10. I'm spitballing here, but perhaps many feel they owe Trump a little something for the policies he has put in place, maybe they feel cutting ties with him will ensure a Democratic win (which will result in a complete curb stomp and spit in the face of everything Christians stand for), or for not letting the likes of China bulldoze over us like previous admins. Speaking of which

you say choir boy like its a bad thing. What would be so bad about having a President that actually has some moral fiber to him, a President with some real scruples and integrity. I mean when was the last time we had that? Papa Bush maybe?