Game 29: Cleveland Cavaliers (7-21) vs. Memphis Grizzlies (10-18) - 7:00 PM ET

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[Stillwater]

was going to this but had to forfeit seats... life sucks

[LivingLegend]

was going to this but had to forfeit seats... life sucks

Been to the new arena yet? Last Cavs game I went to was way back when IT was still on the Celtics. Drove past the arena and the outside looks incredible---wonder how diferent the inside is

[LivingLegend]

I really need Collin Sexton to do less..Im legit starting to not like this kids game. He is like a less tolerable Jordan Clarkson

[Stillwater]

Sexton got benched early for those push offs on the pesky t rex armed and angry about it Brooks.

[Stillwater]

I really need Collin Sexton to do less..Im legit starting to not like this kids game. He is like a less tolerable Jordan Clarkson

careful what you wish for ,,,no actually I would not be surprised if Garland is traded soon and Sexton is running the show according to some **** I have heard on the downlow and very hush hush ...but I hope it's wrong we are going to need both of them to develop into assets long term. I have never agreed with people about disliking high motor and seemingly over determined to score young players who are still in the early stages of their career development. I know it aint easy when comparing to the Ja level bbiq out the gate, but in the same breath who is to say Sexton doesn't have the ability to become that good mentally in a short time? Ja did it.

[LivingLegend]

I really need Collin Sexton to do less..Im legit starting to not like this kids game. He is like a less tolerable Jordan Clarkson

careful what you wish for ,,,no actually I would not be surprised if Garland is traded soon and Sexton is running the show according to some **** I have heard on the downlow and very hush hush ...but I hope it's wrong we are going to need both of them to develop into assets long term. I have never agreed with people about disliking high motor and seemingly over determined to score young players who are still in the early stages of their career development. I know it aint easy when comparing to the Ja level bbiq out the gate, but in the same breath who is to say Sexton doesn't have the ability to become that good mentally in a short time? Ja did it.

why the hell would the Cavs trade their rookie 5th overall pick 30 games into his NBA career? and for who/what in return? Who did you hear that from? I have questions lol

I dont want either of them traded, I just want the Cavs to realize that Sexton is not a NBA starter because of his limited skillset and make him a 6th man.

[LivingLegend]

WE NEED MORE JOHN HENSONS. DEFENSE!!! whoof that was amazing. He has liike 5 blocks and 3 steals

[Stillwater]

I really need Collin Sexton to do less..Im legit starting to not like this kids game. He is like a less tolerable Jordan Clarkson

careful what you wish for ,,,no actually I would not be surprised if Garland is traded soon and Sexton is running the show according to some **** I have heard on the downlow and very hush hush ...but I hope it's wrong we are going to need both of them to develop into assets long term. I have never agreed with people about disliking high motor and seemingly over determined to score young players who are still in the early stages of their career development. I know it aint easy when comparing to the Ja level bbiq out the gate, but in the same breath who is to say Sexton doesn't have the ability to become that good mentally in a short time? Ja did it.

why the hell would the Cavs trade their rookie 5th overall pick 30 games into his NBA career? and for who/what in return? Who did you hear that from? I have questions lol

I dont want either of them traded, I just want the Cavs to realize that Sexton is not a NBA starter because of his limited skillset and make him a 6th man.

Yeah that's what I figured it's too soon to move anyone just drafted , don't agree at all about Sexton being a 6th man.
He was on the path to be a solid score first starting pg long term and no reason to bring him off the bench so soon.but they drafted Garland so it's hard to know if Sexton will be limited to bench play just on this roster in the near future or would also be wherever he is at.my guess is he will be good enough to start at the 1 somewhere even if it's not here. BTW I'm not seeing enough from Garland to gift him the starting job without continuous improvement

[tugs]

Clutch plays by Sexton defensively. Game has really slowed down for him now on both ends.

[tugs]

Lol at the bromance moment with Love, TT, and JC they're like, "Trade value boosted btches!"

[LivingLegend]

careful what you wish for ,,,no actually I would not be surprised if Garland is traded soon and Sexton is running the show according to some **** I have heard on the downlow and very hush hush ...but I hope it's wrong we are going to need both of them to develop into assets long term. I have never agreed with people about disliking high motor and seemingly over determined to score young players who are still in the early stages of their career development. I know it aint easy when comparing to the Ja level bbiq out the gate, but in the same breath who is to say Sexton doesn't have the ability to become that good mentally in a short time? Ja did it.

why the hell would the Cavs trade their rookie 5th overall pick 30 games into his NBA career? and for who/what in return? Who did you hear that from? I have questions lol

I dont want either of them traded, I just want the Cavs to realize that Sexton is not a NBA starter because of his limited skillset and make him a 6th man.

Yeah that's what I figured it's too soon to move anyone just drafted , don't agree at all about Sexton being a 6th man.
He was on the path to be a solid score first starting pg long term and no reason to bring him off the bench so soon.but they drafted Garland so it's hard to know if Sexton will be limited to bench play just on this roster in the near future or would also be wherever he is at.my guess is he will be good enough to start at the 1 somewhere even if it's not here. BTW I'm not seeing enough from Garland to gift him the starting job without continuous improvement

But thats why I want him as a 6th man. He has such, such, such a limited skillet its almost impossible to rely on every night. Hes good for spurts, just like Clarkson is and thats why Clarkson is a career 6th man spark plug. Thats what I view Sextons career path as. Eventhough Garland hasnt put it all together you can see glimpses of his play style and what he can become. He can pass well, he can hit the 3, he can dribble past anybody and he at least tried on defense.

His biggest issue is execution and consistency which I chalk up to being a 19 year old rookie who only played 5 college games. I expect Garland to make huge steps in his 2nd and 3rd year because you can see the blueprint for what hes trying to do. With Sexton everything seems forced and like hes trying to learn something hes never done before. Almost like square peg round hole.

Sexton has never been known as a passer, hes never been known as a defender or shooter for that matter. He can slash and score in the paint in bunches. Nothing about his overall game screams longterm starter on a good team. He is likely to take Clarksons place at the deadline when Clarkson gets traded as a guy who plays 32min per game---but just off the bench when he can focus on what hes good at in the 2nd unit.

Sexton is a undersized guard who is shooting 28% from 3 and averaging 2 assists per game. Nothing about that says 'starting PG of the future' to me.

[Stillwater]

why the hell would the Cavs trade their rookie 5th overall pick 30 games into his NBA career? and for who/what in return? Who did you hear that from? I have questions lol

I dont want either of them traded, I just want the Cavs to realize that Sexton is not a NBA starter because of his limited skillset and make him a 6th man.

Yeah that's what I figured it's too soon to move anyone just drafted , don't agree at all about Sexton being a 6th man.
He was on the path to be a solid score first starting pg long term and no reason to bring him off the bench so soon.but they drafted Garland so it's hard to know if Sexton will be limited to bench play just on this roster in the near future or would also be wherever he is at.my guess is he will be good enough to start at the 1 somewhere even if it's not here. BTW I'm not seeing enough from Garland to gift him the starting job without continuous improvement

But thats why I want him as a 6th man. He has such, such, such a limited skillet its almost impossible to rely on every night. Hes good for spurts, just like Clarkson is and thats why Clarkson is a career 6th man spark plug. Thats what I view Sextons career path as. Eventhough Garland hasnt put it all together you can see glimpses of his play style and what he can become. He can pass well, he can hit the 3, he can dribble past anybody and he at least tried on defense.

His biggest issue is execution and consistency which I chalk up to being a 19 year old rookie who only played 5 college games. I expect Garland to make huge steps in his 2nd and 3rd year because you can see the blueprint for what hes trying to do. With Sexton everything seems forced and like hes trying to learn something hes never done before. Almost like square peg round hole.

Sexton has never been known as a passer, hes never been known as a defender or shooter for that matter. He can slash and score in the paint in bunches. Nothing about his overall game screams longterm starter on a good team. He is likely to take Clarksons place at the deadline when Clarkson gets traded as a guy who plays 32min per game---but just off the bench when he can focus on what hes good at in the 2nd unit.

Sexton is a undersized guard who is shooting 28% from 3 and averaging 2 assists per game. Nothing about that says 'starting PG of the future' to me.

That's what happens when your playing next to Garland ... His numbers are not telling at all beyond typical role change struggles. I mean your not really off base on your perception of what is in the box score but this season Collin has made tons of strides understanding the game and just because you don't recognize it doesn't mean others don't. He basically just won this game and that's not happening on the bench.
To me right now Garland is starting to show why he was picked 5th but if this was it and he doesn't take giant leaps , I'd put my $ on the kid who doesn't have the bb iq yet but elite physical tools over the tubby kid coming off injury with handles
and a good iq but nothing special physically.writing Sexton off is easy , but it's the wrong choice here .

[jbk1234]

Lol at the bromance moment with Love, TT, and JC they're like, "Trade value boosted btches!"

Lol

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[jbk1234]

I really need Collin Sexton to do less..Im legit starting to not like this kids game. He is like a less tolerable Jordan Clarkson

Same. The tear drop is a nice addition, but he gives zero effs about involving his teammates in the the offense.

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[Stillwater]

I really need Collin Sexton to do less..Im legit starting to not like this kids game. He is like a less tolerable Jordan Clarkson

Same. The tear drop is a nice addition, but he gives zero effs about involving his teammates in the the offense.

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I get the frustrations with Sextons tunnel vision but the shiny new toy in Garland has the worst assist rate of a lead guard in the modern era even if he is leading this terrible passing team in assists per. Maybe if Garland was actually a better basketball player t would be easy to move Sexton to the bench for now but he isn't.
Guess I'm just less impressed with Garland since he wasn't supposed to be an upside pick like Sexton but rather a higher skilled one on paper since so far he hasn't adjusted well and despite some obvious court vision really has been bust worthy. What is worst since this experiment started is Sexton regressed as an outside threat which he actually would need to be better at to play well off ball...it's gonna be a long ass time before either of these 2 make sense on the same unit

[JonFromVA]

Fact is we drafted Garland because we weren't happy with Collin's progress as a PG and because of his ceiling. If we pull the plug early on either it will be Collin. DG has been very willing to initiate the offense and play off the ball so inspite if his low assists that makes him easier to live with in the offense. Collin showed some promise there when he was knocking down 3's last year.

We're getting a fair amount of minutes recently to compare Collin without Darius and Darius without Collin and I think this contrast is favoring DG. It may be minutes with a completely different lineup against bench rotations, but it just looks more like what Beilein wants.

That shouldn't be conclusive but hard to imagine it's not influential

[Stillwater]

Fact is we drafted Garland because we weren't happy with Collin's progress as a PG and because of his ceiling. If we pull the plug early on either it will be Collin. DG has been very willing to initiate the offense and play off the ball so inspite if his low assists that makes him easier to live with in the offense. Collin showed some promise there when he was knocking down 3's last year.

We're getting a fair amount of minutes recently to compare Collin without Darius and Darius without Collin and I think this contrast is favoring DG. It may be minutes with a completely different lineup against bench rotations, but it just looks more like what Beilein wants.

That shouldn't be conclusive but hard to imagine it's not influential

Actually that would have made more sense,if Garland was a project but the reality is they drafted Garland because he showed an incredibly efficient ability to make shots in a one on none workout that the org overvalued and got suckered on because of Klutch, and Garland being a son of a nba alum and having a proven high iq who sees the floor very well and can make some good passes as a result made them buy he had the athleticism to adjust and it was only his injury holding him back. However he in no way ever showed elite floor general capability or athletic ability...never.
Sexton has regressed in this system plain and simple... he is not a good fit in the way Beilein is trying to use him next to Garland regardless of who is handling the ball from the jump. Garland is not half the athlete that Sexton is however and despite showing a little bit of ability to disrupt his mirror on defense, is far less likely to be a + defender so that needs to be a factor on if he deserves a starter job long term.
Most guards who cannot defend have to be elite offensive players to justify a starting job & I think other than the false hope he is out of shape and that's all it is ;Garland isn't elite. They hoped he was. He is not.
Sexton was never elite at anything other than running the floor and never quiting when he was drafted, he has always been the upside pick and made such a significant improvement over the course of last season there was no reason to draft his replacement. They drafted Garland as the BPA in the hopes they could complement each other with Garland appearing to have elite shooting ability and when combined with a nice handle and vision thought they could play off each other despite the obvious hurdles they would face defensively. Sexton has shown he put the work in to become a better defender and added a lot of mass and has obviously been a sponge trying to improve his decision making...and adjust to a position not suited to him. Garland on the other hand is so far away from being physically capable in this league it is difficult to know if the man actually will ever be good enough to use as a starting pg.
At this point I am more confident in Sexton re finding his outside shot and learning to distribute the ball better or Altman drafting another guard in the high lottery than I am in Garland being more than a poor mans Lou Williams with a hitch from the hip

[JonFromVA]

We'll see how committed they are to whatever plan soon enough, but the Garland/Sexton backcourt has always been an experiment that hasn't benefited either so far.

Garland has been improving almost week to week, I'm not sure why you're not enthused. I don't think Collin is compatible with what JB wants except in a 6th man role, but he might be to another team. We need to examine that.

[jbk1234]

Both Sexton and Garland have attributes and they both have readily apparent flaws. My chief concern with Sexton is his need to be *the guy.* I'm not convinced it's a vision thing. He'd rather take a bad shot than get a teammate a good one. That can only be fixed internally. A poor man's Westbrook doesn't start on a good team.

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