Kristaps Porzingis Is Ridiculously Overrated

[ChaosHamster]

Some serious signs of amnesia in this thread.

The predominant narrative when the trade happened and before this season started was that the Knicks had traded away a franchise player and a future superstar. I remember a Celtics fan said he was gonna "sig this" when I said KP wasn't a franchise player. To be fair, a lot of Knicks fans also believed that's who KP was before the trade.

So let's not act as if nobody on this board ever overrated him and as if some of y'all aren't recalibrating your own expectations for KP after the fact (after what we've seen him do since the start of the season).

Also TS% is a significant stat and it shows that KP can't be the star to lead an efficient offense. His ceiling is 2nd option (which is fine since the Mavs already got Luka), and his most realistic upside is high-end role player who contributes to winning by stretching the floor on offense and being an elite rim protector. That's highly valuable. But a lot of people thought I was hating on KP for not annointing him a some sort of superstar.

Might as well say your piece instead of dismissing my take as crazy talk. Unless you actually don't have any arguments to counter and get this conversation going, which would explain your empty, McDonald's-type reaction.

I mean, you were trying to argue with me, that Porzingis isn't even a good player, that hes mediocre. And that was even before this season, where you at least can have an argument, because of how bad he was at the start of the year.

So I don't think someone should waste their time arguing with you, when your view is so far off from reality.

[Muizha]

KP's defense allows Mavs to start 3 other bad to terrible defenders in Doncic, Hardaway and Powell

Luka and Hardaway are not terrible. They are net neutral almost. Hardaway is actually playing defense this year, I understand this comes as a shock, but he really does. I guess Carlisle was able to reach him. Powell is pretty bad one on one, but he at least hustles.

Powell is the one I thought of when saying terrible. Doncic and Hardaway are more on the bad side of the bad-to-terrible scale, but dont know if I can agree that both of them are almost net neutral...

[Chanel Bomber]

Might as well say your piece instead of dismissing my take as crazy talk. Unless you actually don't have any arguments to counter and get this conversation going, which would explain your empty, McDonald's-type reaction.

I mean, you were trying to argue with me, that Porzingis isn't even a good player, that hes mediocre. And that was even before this season, where you at least can have an argument, because of how bad he was at the start of the year.

So I don't think someone should waste their time arguing with you, when your view is so far off from reality.

Burner Realgm account bro?

[Capn'O]

Nice thread, easy to spot users with no clue about basketball

NYK fans shouldn't be allowed to talk about KP. They have one of the dumbest takes. If he is not scoring 40 pts and averaging 20 rebounds, he can't be a star, that's what i get from reading their posts. Guy just returned from a long injury and is getting better every game, yet for some reason he can't or won't be a star JUST BECAUSE....

Ayo.

A) A Heat fan started the thread
B) Knick fan responses in this thread have basically mirrored the distribution of other fans. Some think he's over, under, and appropriately rated.


So, cute little dig there but maybe, just maybe, you're the one that should do some consideration before making blanket statements

[Johnny Firpo]

KP's defense allows Mavs to start 3 other bad to terrible defenders in Doncic, Hardaway and Powell

Luka and Hardaway are not terrible. They are net neutral almost. Hardaway is actually playing defense this year, I understand this comes as a shock, but he really does. I guess Carlisle was able to reach him. Powell is pretty bad one on one, but he at least hustles.

Powell is the one I thought of when saying terrible. Doncic and Hardaway are more on the bad side of the bad-to-terrible scale, but dont know if I can agree that both of them are almost net neutral...

Our defense is Nr. 15 in the league right now and in the last 10 or so I think even higher. We are not world beaters, but we play okay team defense.

[ChaosHamster]

Might as well say your piece instead of dismissing my take as crazy talk. Unless you actually don't have any arguments to counter and get this conversation going, which would explain your empty, McDonald's-type reaction.

I mean, you were trying to argue with me, that Porzingis isn't even a good player, that hes mediocre. And that was even before this season, where you at least can have an argument, because of how bad he was at the start of the year.

So I don't think someone should waste their time arguing with you, when your view is so far off from reality.

Burner Realgm account bro?

Spoiler:

KP is 7'3, he's gonna have to play center, unless you want him chasing wings on the perimeter. On offense, what advantage does having a 7'3 PF bring? He can shoot the 3? Many wings can do that too. He can post-up and shoot over smaller wings? He's not efficient at it, so why take that shot. You do lose speed and switchability by playing him at the 4 though.

KP has never reached league-average in scoring efficiency in his career (not yet at least). And that was playing PF. The only reason they played him as a 4 is because he wasn't physically strong enough to player center full-time. He's a center long-term if he's gonna be an impact player in this league.

I mean, hes already an impact player at PF, so I don't really know what are you trying to say here. Or you gonna argue KP at PF isn't a good player?

Is he really an impact player at PF? He hasn't played a playoff game yet, and if I remember correctly the Knicks were well below .500 when he got hurt, even after his hot stretch. He does have an impact in certain areas of the game, particularly on defense, but like the Lord KP giveth and KP taketh away with some of his deficiencies.

I think KP's a mediocre player overall right now. He's an elite rim protector and a floor spacer. He's also dynamic in transition. That alone has positive value. But he's also an inefficient scorer, a weak finisher around the rim, a largely selfish player with 0 passing skills or vision, a weak rebounder and his ability to switch onto quicker players is questionable at best. I always thought he was vastly overrated, although I do believe he can be an elite role player or perhaps a third option on a contender (meaning, he can be a winning player in this league which I mean as a compliment).

[NY 567]

Lmao, he's basically carried Dallas without Doncic. His gravity on both sides of the floor is insane

[Archx]

Nice thread, easy to spot users with no clue about basketball

NYK fans shouldn't be allowed to talk about KP. They have one of the dumbest takes. If he is not scoring 40 pts and averaging 20 rebounds, he can't be a star, that's what i get from reading their posts. Guy just returned from a long injury and is getting better every game, yet for some reason he can't or won't be a star JUST BECAUSE....

Ayo.

A) A Heat fan started the thread
B) Knick fan responses in this thread have basically mirrored the distribution of other fans. Some think he's over, under, and appropriately rated.


So, cute little dig there but maybe, just maybe, you're the one that should do some consideration before making blanket statements

I guess you don't read your own "NYK forum" then. It's disgusting how a franchise treats one of his main future players and then when they screw him up you have a player base that continues to sh*t all over him.

[Chanel Bomber]

I mean, you were trying to argue with me, that Porzingis isn't even a good player, that hes mediocre. And that was even before this season, where you at least can have an argument, because of how bad he was at the start of the year.

So I don't think someone should waste their time arguing with you, when your view is so far off from reality.

Burner Realgm account bro?

Spoiler:

I mean, hes already an impact player at PF, so I don't really know what are you trying to say here. Or you gonna argue KP at PF isn't a good player?

Is he really an impact player at PF? He hasn't played a playoff game yet, and if I remember correctly the Knicks were well below .500 when he got hurt, even after his hot stretch. He does have an impact in certain areas of the game, particularly on defense, but like the Lord KP giveth and KP taketh away with some of his deficiencies.

I think KP's a mediocre player overall right now. He's an elite rim protector and a floor spacer. He's also dynamic in transition. That alone has positive value. But he's also an inefficient scorer, a weak finisher around the rim, a largely selfish player with 0 passing skills or vision, a weak rebounder and his ability to switch onto quicker players is questionable at best. I always thought he was vastly overrated, although I do believe he can be an elite role player or perhaps a third option on a contender (meaning, he can be a winning player in this league which I mean as a compliment).

So? I also said that he does have elite qualities that bring positive value and that he can be a winning player in the NBA. That's more than you can say for a lot of big stat/high usage players.

But if you're counting on him to lead your offense (like the Knicks did before he got hurt), or if you're asking him to do more than what he's actually good at (rim protection and floor stretching), then it offsets all the positives and what you have is an average impact player. You feed him the ball in the post or you let him take midrange Js and your offensive efficiency as a team will plummet. But you limit his ISO/post touches and use him as a floor spacer for Luka, then all of a sudden he becomes a high impact player. A playing style that's less of a star's (stars generally generate offense) but more conducive to winning. That's what I've always said.

KP is a mediocre player if you expect him to be a star and you give him star responsibilities on offense. He's good and he could be elite if you have him play off the ball and space the floor for an actual superstar like Luka. It's all contextual and dependent on role. I never questioned his impact as a rim protector.

[MagicBagley18]

1 month ago people foolishly had this guy buried and done(after coming back off gruesome injury).....now he’s overrated? Never change Real gm

[Capn'O]

NYK fans shouldn't be allowed to talk about KP. They have one of the dumbest takes. If he is not scoring 40 pts and averaging 20 rebounds, he can't be a star, that's what i get from reading their posts. Guy just returned from a long injury and is getting better every game, yet for some reason he can't or won't be a star JUST BECAUSE....

Ayo.

A) A Heat fan started the thread
B) Knick fan responses in this thread have basically mirrored the distribution of other fans. Some think he's over, under, and appropriately rated.


So, cute little dig there but maybe, just maybe, you're the one that should do some consideration before making blanket statements

I guess you don't read your own "NYK forum" then. It's disgusting how a franchise treats one of his main future players and then when they screw him up you have a player base that continues to sh*t all over him.

So, you couldn't find any posts in this thread that substantiated your ridiculous statement and had to run to whatabouts.

Yeah. No. Our posting in this thread is fine, nuanced, and within bounds. We're not stopping. Thanks and have a nice day.

[Archx]

Ayo.

A) A Heat fan started the thread
B) Knick fan responses in this thread have basically mirrored the distribution of other fans. Some think he's over, under, and appropriately rated.


So, cute little dig there but maybe, just maybe, you're the one that should do some consideration before making blanket statements

I guess you don't read your own "NYK forum" then. It's disgusting how a franchise treats one of his main future players and then when they screw him up you have a player base that continues to sh*t all over him.

So, you couldn't find any posts in this thread that substantiated your ridiculous statement and had to run to whatabouts.

Yeah. No. Our posting in this thread is fine, nuanced, and within bounds. We're not stopping. Thanks and have a nice day.

You can continue sticking your head in the sand because i wasn't even talking about this topic. Have a nice day as well.

[raptor jesus]

I've always seem him as a luxury-model role player. I don't really think he's a guy who can shoulder star-type usage efficiently.

[NY 567]

Porzingis dominated that game and the Mavs basically imploded when they took him out late in the 3rd. I don't know how anyone could blame him for this one. Look at the Mavs offensive and defensive metrics with and without KP since Luka went down

[Phreak50]

7'3 and sat outside throwing up 9 threes.

Wasn't a defender within arm's reach of him down low and he continues to want to play like a guard and avoiding contact.

[Capn'O]

I've always seem him as a luxury-model role player. I don't really think he's a guy who can shoulder star-type usage efficiently.

Agreed. And I don't think he gets there as a first option level player. Still, his makes come generally with 0-2 dribbles. At the same time, if his rebounding is up he's an all star level player because of all the stuff he can do.

[21 TD]

His ceiling is top 15-20 player. You can only be so valuable as a big man offensively without a post game because absent that, you can't be an offensive hub and if you can't be that, then you're reliant on others to create for you.

Today was a perfect example. They can get away with Hollis-Jefferson guarding him, which neuters his off the dribble game, leaving him bereft of shot creating/play making (even in the best of circumstances, he lacks this) ability.

That relegates him to picking-and-popping or spotting up, which renders him reliant (without Doncic) on role playing ball handlers.

This team is close to contending already. They've better equipped than a team like the 76ers, but they won't be true contenders until they land someone like Holiday and can turn him into a co-#2 or #3 option.

[TimRobbins]

He looked pathetic today.

[VanWest82]

KP had a lot to do with why the Raptors offense fell off a cliff in the 2nd and 3rd quarters. He's a big deterrent to finishing around the basket. Raptors tried a bunch of times and got rejected or were forced to pass out. He wasn't the reason they lost today.

[ItsDanger]

He played well today but he's got to post up smaller defenders. Dump it out and re-post if you're too far out or not confident in backing the defender down more. You don't see guys do it much anymore, they did this A LOT back in the day.