Jaylen Brown: “It wasn’t Kyrie’s fault. It was on the coaches and FO.”

[Prokorov]

As disastrous as Kyrie's last year on the celtics was, I think it's pretty interesting that his former teammates and now current teammates in Brooklyn have been reported quite a few times this season speaking out publicly in support of him.

i still dont get how last year was so disasterous.

50 wins, won a playoff round, lost to the #1 seed and MVP (Giannis).

thats not disasterouls to me. disasterous to me would be like 38-44 and missing the playoffs by 1 game cause you blew a lead at home on the last day of the season

Your personal Disaster sounds like your 2019-2020 Brooklyn Nets

i dont see how, with our 2 best players out we are on a 46 win pace

[Prokorov]

He awkwardly fumbled through the company line:

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2019/11/26/danny-ainge-points-finger-at-himself-for-last-years-celtics-failure/

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2019/05/09/brad-stevens-accepts-blame-for-celtics-failure-i-did-a-bad-job/

Its pretty clear the organizational philosophy has been to blame the FO and the coaches and not any single player. Players obviously get coached on PR stuff and the organization smartly said to blame the FO and coaching staff rather than a player.

This is really a giant nothing burger.

It’s really that simple, I know people want to make it into something that it’s not since there isn’t much to talk about these days. The messaging is clear and consistent across all of them, he didn’t say anything different Danny did... Just came from a different mouth.

I know its fun to make something out of nothing, but meh.

the company line are that the coach and GM are incompetent?

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

As disastrous as Kyrie's last year on the celtics was, I think it's pretty interesting that his former teammates and now current teammates in Brooklyn have been reported quite a few times this season speaking out publicly in support of him.

i still dont get how last year was so disasterous.

50 wins, won a playoff round, lost to the #1 seed and MVP (Giannis).

thats not disasterouls to me. disasterous to me would be like 38-44 and missing the playoffs by 1 game cause you blew a lead at home on the last day of the season

Your personal Disaster sounds like your 2019-2020 Brooklyn Nets

Nah. Personal disaster is this bet he made.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1876869&start=40#p77887353

[StojkoVrankovic]

i still dont get how last year was so disasterous.

50 wins, won a playoff round, lost to the #1 seed and MVP (Giannis).

thats not disasterouls to me. disasterous to me would be like 38-44 and missing the playoffs by 1 game cause you blew a lead at home on the last day of the season

Your personal Disaster sounds like your 2019-2020 Brooklyn Nets

Nah. Personal disaster is this bet he made.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1876869&start=40#p77887353

Right, but they don't stand by their bets.

[L3GEND4RY]

Read on Twitter

Umm, this is a little awkward when Marcus Smart, Jayson Tatum have said multiple times that their entire team could’ve done better.

as i pointed out in an earlier thread:

Owner, President, GM, coach, multiple current celtics, multiple fomer celtics who were on last years team, the play-by-play guy All unanimously say it wasnt kyrie or kyrie wasnt the big problem

celtic fans: it was kyrie

this needs to die. move on. celtics players need to move on and more importantly boston media asking these questions need to move on. im not sure the fans will mvoe on until they find theyre next scape goat

The bolded is flat out false. They all say Kyrie wasn't the only problem. That they had bigger problems. But they all unanimously say that Kyrie WAS a problem.

Is anyone surprised he has to lie to get his point across? This is the same guy with “sources” in the locker room.

[ItsDanger]

For evidence, look no further than how the Nets are playing without Kyrie. I think that says it all about his style, its all about him. Only KD can put him in his place next season.

[SmartWentCrazy]

He awkwardly fumbled through the company line:

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2019/11/26/danny-ainge-points-finger-at-himself-for-last-years-celtics-failure/

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2019/05/09/brad-stevens-accepts-blame-for-celtics-failure-i-did-a-bad-job/

Its pretty clear the organizational philosophy has been to blame the FO and the coaches and not any single player. Players obviously get coached on PR stuff and the organization smartly said to blame the FO and coaching staff rather than a player.

This is really a giant nothing burger.

It’s really that simple, I know people want to make it into something that it’s not since there isn’t much to talk about these days. The messaging is clear and consistent across all of them, he didn’t say anything different Danny did... Just came from a different mouth.

I know its fun to make something out of nothing, but meh.

the company line are that the coach and GM are incompetent?

I looked again, he didnt use those words. Nice try though.

[SmartWentCrazy]

i still dont get how last year was so disasterous.

50 wins, won a playoff round, lost to the #1 seed and MVP (Giannis).

thats not disasterouls to me. disasterous to me would be like 38-44 and missing the playoffs by 1 game cause you blew a lead at home on the last day of the season

Your personal Disaster sounds like your 2019-2020 Brooklyn Nets

Nah. Personal disaster is this bet he made.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1876869&start=40#p77887353

Zero chance Prok honors that bet. You know it. I know it. And we both know that he knows it.

[canada_dry]

Loose lips jaylen back at it. Lol

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[SmartWentCrazy]

i still dont get how last year was so disasterous.

50 wins, won a playoff round, lost to the #1 seed and MVP (Giannis).

thats not disasterouls to me. disasterous to me would be like 38-44 and missing the playoffs by 1 game cause you blew a lead at home on the last day of the season

Your personal Disaster sounds like your 2019-2020 Brooklyn Nets

i dont see how, with our 2 best players out we are on a 46 win pace

Can we stop lying about LeVert? Dinwiddie has always been a better player than him.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Your personal Disaster sounds like your 2019-2020 Brooklyn Nets

Nah. Personal disaster is this bet he made.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1876869&start=40#p77887353

Zero chance Prok honors that bet. You know it. I know it. And we both know that he knows it.

We'll see. I won't lump him in with that other coward from his board. truth swears Prok is a good guy, so we'll see.

Also,

[SmartWentCrazy]

Nah. Personal disaster is this bet he made.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1876869&start=40#p77887353

Zero chance Prok honors that bet. You know it. I know it. And we both know that he knows it.

We'll see. I won't lump him in with that other coward from his board. truth swears Prok is a good guy, so we'll see.

Also,

He’s not resolute in his convictions:

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1786577&p=71636101&hilit=Pansy#p71636101

because KD is a giant pansy biotch who represents everything thats wrong with everything

Yet you will buy his jersey in every color if he decides to come to the Nets.

negative... im already on record saying id rather sign no one then have durant come here. rather go 0-82 without him then win a title with him

[sam_I_am]

Pacers and Nets have been surprisingly good so far this year with their off guards (Brogdon and Dinwiddie) taking on mantle of team leader. So when Oladipo and Kyrie return to action....wanna guess which team becomes elite and which team returns to a 0.500 level?

[LOUiS-D]

I don't think the 'Jaylen threw his coach and FO under the bus' take holds much merit. Both Jay and Marcus are making statements to rightly diffuse the blame that has landed solely on Ky. A lot of people don't like Ky because sometimes he comes across as pretentious, smug and at worst bewildering. He makes a damn good lightning rod for blame. Some of it well deserved. His last games as a Celtic and his statements to the media would have left a bad taste in every fan's mouth. It's not all on him though.

The problem of having so many talented players that they get forced into different and smaller roles is a serious one. A lot of basketball is about rhythm and feel. It takes the highest level of professionalism to be able to adapt, come on the court and perform with a different game plan, less time and fewer touches.

It's not entirely the fault of the FOs here either. When you're dealing with young players it's hard to project their development schedule. They were also lining to up to potentially make trades. A lot of circumstances piled up to create the troubles of last season: Hayward returning 1 year after what is 2 year injury (in terms of its enduring effect). The raised expectations of a strong showing in the ECF. Trade speculation surrounding AD. Looming FA for Al, Ky and Terry. A personal tragedy for Ky (an enigmatic and 'moody' figure) in the death of his grandfather.

I'm pretty sure Jay and Marcus would agree that last year was a lot for Brad to handle. My guess is that the whole organisation knew they were in rough waters and were simply trying to weather the storm. They did, it cost them some important pieces, they snagged Kemba, they've bounced back, and they've probably all grown from the experience.

I say all of this as a Celtics hater for life.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I don't think the 'Jaylen threw his coach and FO under the bus' take holds much merit. Both Jay and Marcus are making statements to rightly diffuse the blame that has landed solely on Ky. A lot of people don't like Ky because sometimes he comes across as pretentious, smug and at worst bewildering. He makes a damn good lightning rod for blame. Some of it well deserved. His last games as a Celtic and his statements to the media would have left a bad taste in every fan's mouth. It's not all on him though.

The problem of having so many talented players that they get forced into different and smaller roles is a serious one. A lot of basketball is about rhythm and feel. It takes the highest level of professionalism to be able to adapt, come on the court and perform with a different game plan, less time and fewer touches.

It's not entirely the fault of the FOs here either. When you're dealing with young players it's hard to project their development schedule. They were also lining to up to potentially make trades. A lot of circumstances piled up to create the troubles of last season: Hayward returning 1 year after what is 2 year injury (in terms of its enduring effect). The raised expectations of a strong showing in the ECF. Trade speculation surrounding AD. Looming FA for Al, Ky and Terry. A personal tragedy for Ky (an enigmatic and 'moody' figure) in the death of his grandfather.

I'm pretty sure Jay and Marcus would agree that last year was a lot for Brad to handle. My guess is that the whole organisation knew they were in rough waters and were simply trying to weather the storm. They did, it cost them some important pieces, they snagged Kemba, they've bounced back, and they've probably all grown from the experience.

I say all of this as a Celtics hater for life.

Well said— most rational Celtics fans feel this way, FWIW.

[robbie84]

The Celtics FO have just told the players ' if the media asks you about Kyrie, just blame us'.
The real story is already well known around the NBA and it makes the Celtics players look like the 'bigger person' so to speak.
Are we really questioning whether Kyrie Irving is a sociopathic, delusional diva?

As Kevin Garnett said, Kyrie didn't have that Celtic gene. Just too soft.

[robbie84]

I don't think the 'Jaylen threw his coach and FO under the bus' take holds much merit. Both Jay and Marcus are making statements to rightly diffuse the blame that has landed solely on Ky. A lot of people don't like Ky because sometimes he comes across as pretentious, smug and at worst bewildering. He makes a damn good lightning rod for blame. Some of it well deserved. His last games as a Celtic and his statements to the media would have left a bad taste in every fan's mouth. It's not all on him though.

The problem of having so many talented players that they get forced into different and smaller roles is a serious one. A lot of basketball is about rhythm and feel. It takes the highest level of professionalism to be able to adapt, come on the court and perform with a different game plan, less time and fewer touches.

It's not entirely the fault of the FOs here either. When you're dealing with young players it's hard to project their development schedule. They were also lining to up to potentially make trades. A lot of circumstances piled up to create the troubles of last season: Hayward returning 1 year after what is 2 year injury (in terms of its enduring effect). The raised expectations of a strong showing in the ECF. Trade speculation surrounding AD. Looming FA for Al, Ky and Terry. A personal tragedy for Ky (an enigmatic and 'moody' figure) in the death of his grandfather.

I'm pretty sure Jay and Marcus would agree that last year was a lot for Brad to handle. My guess is that the whole organisation knew they were in rough waters and were simply trying to weather the storm. They did, it cost them some important pieces, they snagged Kemba, they've bounced back, and they've probably all grown from the experience.

I say all of this as a Celtics hater for life.

Well said, and don't worry we also hate you just as much, but appreciate you keeping it real.
Merry Christmas.

[Paradise]

For evidence, look no further than how the Nets are playing without Kyrie. I think that says it all about his style, its all about him. Only KD can put him in his place next season.

Our entire ethos and built in culture was a star-less team of role players needing a star...how did that change? It hasn’t here in our organization lol

For evidence, the Nets won 42 games last season and Dinwiddie was a large reason for it as the best 6th man in the East. D’Lo got the credit but Dinwiddie did the work too.

Example:

Led a comeback W last season vs Harden’s 56 points.

Watch on YouTube

Or

39 Points vs Embiid & Philly’s team last season.

Watch on YouTube

Or

Multiple Game Winners

Watch on YouTube

This isn’t new to anybody and it was why Kyrie and KD signed up in the first place and it was a no brainer to let D’Lo move on. You think Kevin Durant would be here none of the Dinwiddie, Harris, LeVert, Allen core had superstar upside? It’s not some coincidence lol...

It’s quite amusing to see fans here pretending we can’t be good with or without Kyrie or KD. I mean, that is actual reason why KD’s return puts into the top tier contender status with the Lakers, Clippers, Bucks next season. Kyrie missing games doesn’t make us better but it makes us a better team long term for KD’s return and when he’s given load management.

[stillgotgame]

A lot of talent on this team next year when Durant gets back. Be cool to see him play the 4, maximize that talent.

[ITYSL]

Nah. Personal disaster is this bet he made.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1876869&start=40#p77887353

Zero chance Prok honors that bet. You know it. I know it. And we both know that he knows it.

We'll see. I won't lump him in with that other coward from his board. truth swears Prok is a good guy, so we'll see.

Also,

You'll know by the All Star break if he honors bets:

viewtopic.php?p=78720594#p78720594