Christmas Game: Clippers @ Lakers (24-6). 5:00pm

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What a letdown that would be if neither play.

[Ball so hard]

Shockeroo!

[Beethoven]

dum game. I got better things to do on Xmas than watch this ****

[Landsberger]

This would actually be great if both missed and "load managed". It would serve the NBA right for allowing this load managing BS in the first place. Many fans of the NBA can't afford to go to games that often and when they do they could see the top players sitting out for no other reason than to rest.... Complete BS IMHO. They need to have new rules and have a "disabled list" so when a player misses a game there has to be a listed medical reason and they are gone for 3 games at least.... That would shut down this BS started by Pop and perpetuated by Doc.

[BEazy]

Awesome, when it rains it pours...

[TwoStarz]

LMAOOO AD and Bron Bron dodging the clippers. Pathetic. Man, I miss Kobe even more now

[thebigbird]

LMAOOO AD and Bron Bron dodging the clippers. Pathetic. Man, I miss Kobe even more now

Get over Kobe, he's gone. The Lakers' season is doomed if either LeBron or AD get a serious injury. Heaven forbid they get healthy instead of playing through injuries in late December. The whole point of building up the early season record was so LeBron and AD could stay healthy throughout the season.

[NippySudz]

This would actually be great if both missed and "load managed". It would serve the NBA right for allowing this load managing BS in the first place. Many fans of the NBA can't afford to go to games that often and when they do they could see the top players sitting out for no other reason than to rest.... Complete BS IMHO. They need to have new rules and have a "disabled list" so when a player misses a game there has to be a listed medical reason and they are gone for 3 games at least.... That would shut down this BS started by Pop and perpetuated by Doc.

Load management isn't rest.

They do list injury now

And load management is smart. You may not like it but it's smart. Especially for LeBron who has more minutes than Kobe in 3 yrs less yrs played and both of them came out of hs.

If you want to run the risk of LeBron popping his groin again, then play him 34-38 mins against sub .500 teams and don't let him rest for the sake of paying fans. Then you'll never have a shot at the title.

The injury is lingering according to reports. He has to do what he has to do to make sure he doesn't have the strain again

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How about being upset at the NBA schedule. As science gets better, so does our understanding of athletes body.

Mlb players don't have the same level of taxation on their body as NBA players and even then so, mlb pitchers at least sit out games.

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[Landsberger]

This would actually be great if both missed and "load managed". It would serve the NBA right for allowing this load managing BS in the first place. Many fans of the NBA can't afford to go to games that often and when they do they could see the top players sitting out for no other reason than to rest.... Complete BS IMHO. They need to have new rules and have a "disabled list" so when a player misses a game there has to be a listed medical reason and they are gone for 3 games at least.... That would shut down this BS started by Pop and perpetuated by Doc.

Load management isn't rest.

They do list injury now

And load management is smart. You may not like it but it's smart. Especially for LeBron who has more minutes than Kobe in 3 yrs less yrs played and both of them came out of hs.

If you want to run the risk of LeBron popping his groin again, then play him 34-38 mins against sub .500 teams and don't let him rest for the sake of paying fans. Then you'll never have a shot at the title.

The injury is lingering according to reports. He has to do what he has to do to make sure he doesn't have the strain again

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How about being upset at the NBA schedule. As science gets better, so does our understanding of athletes body.

Mlb players don't have the same level of taxation on their body as NBA players and even then so, mlb pitchers at least sit out games.

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Cool... Clippers have room on the bandwagon. Go there and be "smart". You do realize that older players played well into their 30's in much shorter seasons that still had 82 games right? Teams played 3 in a rows into the late 90's.

I still say if a guy is "injured" enough to miss a game you have to put them on a 3 game injury list. if they need "medical" rest then let them rest.

[NippySudz]

This would actually be great if both missed and "load managed". It would serve the NBA right for allowing this load managing BS in the first place. Many fans of the NBA can't afford to go to games that often and when they do they could see the top players sitting out for no other reason than to rest.... Complete BS IMHO. They need to have new rules and have a "disabled list" so when a player misses a game there has to be a listed medical reason and they are gone for 3 games at least.... That would shut down this BS started by Pop and perpetuated by Doc.

Load management isn't rest.

They do list injury now

And load management is smart. You may not like it but it's smart. Especially for LeBron who has more minutes than Kobe in 3 yrs less yrs played and both of them came out of hs.

If you want to run the risk of LeBron popping his groin again, then play him 34-38 mins against sub .500 teams and don't let him rest for the sake of paying fans. Then you'll never have a shot at the title.

The injury is lingering according to reports. He has to do what he has to do to make sure he doesn't have the strain again

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How about being upset at the NBA schedule. As science gets better, so does our understanding of athletes body.

Mlb players don't have the same level of taxation on their body as NBA players and even then so, mlb pitchers at least sit out games.

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Cool... Clippers have room on the bandwagon. Go there and be "smart". You do realize that older players played well into their 30's in much shorter seasons that still had 82 games right? Teams played 3 in a rows into the late 90's.

I still say if a guy is "injured" enough to miss a game you have to put them on a 3 game injury list. if they need "medical" rest then let them rest.

Has nothing to do with the clippers

I'm not suggesting LeBron do it like kawhi Leonard. I'm suggesting LeBron to do it like he's always done it.

To sit out when he knows his body isn't feeling good to prevent further injury. It's better to sit out one or two games every than and so then play through and pop his groin and miss 20+ games.

That's the dillema you're facing.

Again, LeBron has a lot of tread on those tires despite only playing 82 once. Hes played more minutes leading up to yr 17 than Kobe did leading into year 20.

He had eight months of his rest and his groin is still bothering him. Meaning he's going to have to manage the nagging injury

It's not something that's going to heal up by missing x amount of games. He's still going to probably play 75+games so what's the big deal.
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[Kilroy]

Awesome... One less thing to do on Christmas...

[NippySudz]

Awesome... One less thing to do on Christmas...

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28357370/with-clippers-showdown-looming-lakers-focus-big-picture-3rd-straight-loss?platform=amp&__twitter_impression=true



There are sources that suggest they'll both play. So no need to panic. Mcmenamin is as close to LeBron as you can get

"However, a source close to James told ESPN he expected the star to be in the lineup."

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[Kilroy]

Regardless if they both play, they've both been clearly off the last few games... They should rest. We're not beating anyone if we trot AD from the Nuggets game and LeBron from the Bucks game out there.

[Spanish_Laker]

If they are questionable, they will play. Period. If they are not fully healthy by tomorrow, sit them both and screw the NBA. Let them seriously think about shortening the NBA to 58 games (1 home, 1 away vs all NBA teams). These injuries are mostly caused by overload of games.

Anyways, if they both play I am concerned about the supporting cast, they have been terrible so far. We need KCP, Green, Kuzma and the bigs to step it up ASAP. Expecting a big L, by the way.

[mcscotty]

When I look at I guy like Alexander Ovechkin in the NHL, this load management seems like BS. That guy is 34 years old and has only missed 5 games in the last 7 seasons (82 game seasons). And he plays like a linebacker on skates.

[NippySudz]

Distance covered isn’t a perfect metric to measure a player’s load. As Ted Polglaze, a sports scientist in Australia who conducted his PhD study on the energetic demands of team sports, notes, it doesn’t fully account for starts and stops, which put extra stress on a players’ joints. Nor does it factor in the amount of contact players endure over the course of a game. But in basketball, if you are covering more distance, you’re also likely doing more of the starting and stopping that takes a toll on players.

“The two things that the body doesn’t like is deceleration and torque—turning,” Vitti says. “That’s when [players are] most at risk … when you try to slow down, that is when you get hurt.”

Basketball’s pace is the fastest it’s been since the late ’80s, which has meant more deceleration, and subsequently more stress on players’ bodies that goes beyond contact or how many minutes they have played. Think of it as inflation. Forty minutes of basketball in the 1980s is not the same as 40 minutes of basketball in the 2010s.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/12/24/21036024/kawhi-leonard-clippers-load-management

This article is about kawhi and load management. But it offers information in general about Load on athlete's bodies. It's not proven beyond doubt, but its no secret that injuries are increasing in the nba and the pace of the game has gotten a lot faster. Jordan didn't have to play at the pace that Lebron had to with 40k minutes under his belt.

I think people should change with the times and understand that rest and recovery is important to the longevity of the athlete and get away from this old school mentality when it comes to managing injury. Am I suggesting you sit out because of a hangnail? No, but what Lebron james and kawhi are doing works for them. The nba might have to look into the research behind this and the amounting injuries and either slow the game down or further reduce back to backs.

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[tamaraw08]

Distance covered isn’t a perfect metric to measure a player’s load. As Ted Polglaze, a sports scientist in Australia who conducted his PhD study on the energetic demands of team sports, notes, it doesn’t fully account for starts and stops, which put extra stress on a players’ joints. Nor does it factor in the amount of contact players endure over the course of a game. But in basketball, if you are covering more distance, you’re also likely doing more of the starting and stopping that takes a toll on players.

“The two things that the body doesn’t like is deceleration and torque—turning,” Vitti says. “That’s when [players are] most at risk … when you try to slow down, that is when you get hurt.”

Basketball’s pace is the fastest it’s been since the late ’80s, which has meant more deceleration, and subsequently more stress on players’ bodies that goes beyond contact or how many minutes they have played. Think of it as inflation. Forty minutes of basketball in the 1980s is not the same as 40 minutes of basketball in the 2010s.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/12/24/21036024/kawhi-leonard-clippers-load-management

This article is about kawhi and load management. But it offers information in general about Load on athlete's bodies. It's not proven beyond doubt, but its no secret that injuries are increasing in the nba and the pace of the game has gotten a lot faster. Jordan didn't have to play at the pace that Lebron had to with 40k minutes under his belt.

I think people should change with the times and understand that rest and recovery is important to the longevity of the athlete and get away from this old school mentality when it comes to managing injury. Am I suggesting you sit out because of a hangnail? No, but what Lebron james and kawhi are doing works for them. The nba might have to look into the research behind this and the amounting injuries and either slow the game down or further reduce back to backs.

I think there’s n argument about the advantages of load management but you keep ignoring the aspect about fans paying so much money to see them play. If the team wants to rest players then fine, but fans should be allowed to be refunded the hard earned money they spent if the stars don’t play and must announce in advance if these stars are not playing.

[NippySudz]

Distance covered isn’t a perfect metric to measure a player’s load. As Ted Polglaze, a sports scientist in Australia who conducted his PhD study on the energetic demands of team sports, notes, it doesn’t fully account for starts and stops, which put extra stress on a players’ joints. Nor does it factor in the amount of contact players endure over the course of a game. But in basketball, if you are covering more distance, you’re also likely doing more of the starting and stopping that takes a toll on players.

“The two things that the body doesn’t like is deceleration and torque—turning,” Vitti says. “That’s when [players are] most at risk … when you try to slow down, that is when you get hurt.”

Basketball’s pace is the fastest it’s been since the late ’80s, which has meant more deceleration, and subsequently more stress on players’ bodies that goes beyond contact or how many minutes they have played. Think of it as inflation. Forty minutes of basketball in the 1980s is not the same as 40 minutes of basketball in the 2010s.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/12/24/21036024/kawhi-leonard-clippers-load-management

This article is about kawhi and load management. But it offers information in general about Load on athlete's bodies. It's not proven beyond doubt, but its no secret that injuries are increasing in the nba and the pace of the game has gotten a lot faster. Jordan didn't have to play at the pace that Lebron had to with 40k minutes under his belt.

I think people should change with the times and understand that rest and recovery is important to the longevity of the athlete and get away from this old school mentality when it comes to managing injury. Am I suggesting you sit out because of a hangnail? No, but what Lebron james and kawhi are doing works for them. The nba might have to look into the research behind this and the amounting injuries and either slow the game down or further reduce back to backs.

I think there’s n argument about the advantages of load management but you keep ignoring the aspect about fans paying so much money to see them play. If the team wants to rest players then fine, but fans should be allowed to be refunded the hard earned money they spent if the stars don’t play and must announce in advance if these stars are not playing.

I get that part and I agree with what you said. They should be some reimbursement for the fan if the athlete cancels.

What I disagree with is these players are soft for managing their bodies because of the "back in the day" arguments. Science has evolved. We know more now. The game has also changed now. Offenses are more sophisticated, as well as defenses. Lots more motions being ran, lots more 3's being shot. The pace is faster. Players are more prone to injury than yesteryear. It's a problem for the league. The league doesn't want to take onus of that problem and leave it at the players door and make them out to look like they are the "soft" ones. The league is just as responsible. They changed rules to make the game fast, 14 sec shotclock on an offense rebound is one of those examples.

Don't just get mad at the player. Get mad at the league too.