Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20

[Higgs Boston]

we have no contract to equal his that would make it worth it. he makes too much.

Kanter or theis, langford, grant, edwards, ojeleye, poirier is enough for his current salary, and next year his salary is lower (18,1m), so It should be possible in summer.

I would bet Langford and Grant combo alone is better than Gordon and they are on 5 year team controlled rookie scale deals.

no thank you.

They aren't going to trade him for free.
Langford has a chance to be a starter (in a position we don't need) but Grant is just a random bench player at best because of his limitations and player profile, Gordon is better now and has a much higher ceiling than both, he is in a decent contract too.
Anyway we need to consolidate the talent and much more taking into account we will have 4 first rounds in the next two years, so if it's not Gordon it has to be someone.

[VeryMuchWoke]

Hard to find any good trades this year because:

- Our top 5 guys are not expendable and could only be moved for a star.

- We don't have enough salary outside of these guys with much value and/or salary.

About the only trades I can think of that I'd really be down for is throwing together some middling assets (Mil pick, one of our future picks, Semi, Carsen, etc) for a struggling player on a rookie deal like Zhaire Smith, Lonzo, Bamba, etc

I wonder if Jarrett Allen could be had. It seems, and I could be wrong, that Kyrie Irving doesn't like playing with young players.

Considering the Nets were already asking too much just to facilitate a S&T with us, I don't think we can get Jarrett Allen for less than Tatum + MEM pick. They're going to be unreasonable when it comes to dealing with Danny for the foreseeable future.

What did they ask for and who reported it? I've seen reports that we we'd agreed with the Nets terms and were all set to bring Al back but he wouldn't renege on the Sixers.

[zoyathedestroya]

I wonder if Jarrett Allen could be had. It seems, and I could be wrong, that Kyrie Irving doesn't like playing with young players.

Considering the Nets were already asking too much just to facilitate a S&T with us, I don't think we can get Jarrett Allen for less than Tatum + MEM pick. They're going to be unreasonable when it comes to dealing with Danny for the foreseeable future.

What did they ask for and who reported it? I've seen reports that we we'd agreed with the Nets terms and were all set to bring Al back but he wouldn't renege on the Sixers.

Read on Twitter

Nothing specific.

[Marvel]

Wonder who Danny would've asked for from the Sixers? Hmmm interesting.

[Ernest]

I posted his in the Hayward thread, but the idea fits well here too. Lets pretend for a minute that Hayward tells the team he's going to opt out and the amount he wants the team is unwilling to pay. What do we do then? I like the player but if you look at the money we would sort of need to trade him. We will not be able to sign another max player for a long time- probably not until our next rebuild. We have a lot of picks and guys on rookie contracts. I think the plan in this situation would be to eventually move some assets attached to a big contract for a star. The way we got KG and Ray. So............ IF Hayward were to want to leave we would need to trade him for someone with 2 or 3 years on the books. Obviously we'd want to get the best talent we could get, but getting a lesser talent on a better contract for our future plans could be a win. So........ any ideas who we would target in this specific hypothetical situation?

[itrsteve]

No

I agree with your logic, but, no.

[Smog]

I posted his in the Hayward thread, but the idea fits well here too. Lets pretend for a minute that Hayward tells the team he's going to opt out and the amount he wants the team is unwilling to pay. What do we do then? I like the player but if you look at the money we would sort of need to trade him. We will not be able to sign another max player for a long time- probably not until our next rebuild. We have a lot of picks and guys on rookie contracts. I think the plan in this situation would be to eventually move some assets attached to a big contract for a star. The way we got KG and Ray. So............ IF Hayward were to want to leave we would need to trade him for someone with 2 or 3 years on the books. Obviously we'd want to get the best talent we could get, but getting a lesser talent on a better contract for our future plans could be a win. So........ any ideas who we would target in this specific hypothetical situation?

If Hayward were to want to leave, obviously, you'd trade him. But are there any signs of that? There will only be a few teams with max cap room this summer (Atlanta, Memphis, Knicks?), none of them contenders. He could probably get the max if he opted out because of the weak competition of the FA class, but does he want to move to Cleveland or Atlanta?

The Cs aren't in the tax and have a contending team. If Hayward opts out (or if he opts in) they'll probably want to keep everyone signed for now and worry about the tax later. They're still two years out from having to pay Tatum the max. I'm not sure, but isn't it possible for them to stay under the tax next year even with Hayward? The prudent thing would seem to be locking everyone up. I'd be shocked if ownership hadn't already signed off on funding at least a few years of a Kemba-Hayward-Tatum-Brown-Smart run.

[Banks2Pierce]

We are in a strange spot. 4th in O and 2nd in D per cleaning the glass(they remove garbage time). Genuinely can't believe the 2nd one.

You can only really win titles with a top 10 player. Tatum has not been efficient, but it's hard to overlook the fact that he's a fixture in all of the advanced plus minus stuff(13th in PIPM, 5th in RPM) and that's with the Usage going higher and higher and he's the one propping up the bench lineups. He started off frigid at the rim and in midrange and that was tanking his numbers, but he may fully make the leap if he gets to previous levels he'd hit in that aspect of his game combined with his other improvements. The off the dribble 3 stuff is elite territory. You're probably looking at a guy that is a perennial All-NBA guy at this point and it's more a question of whether it's 2 years off still or is happening already.

That's all good, but Kemba and Gordon turn 30 in March. Short guards(unless they're Chris Paul apparently) don't gracefully age and Hayward's future is tough to project. We feel like a flat track bully that beats up on the chaff of the league and only really matches up well against LAC out of the genuine contenders. Extending Jaylen already looks like an easy passing grade. Can't give up any 1sts or recent draft picks for those marginal gains guys that'll be on the market because we still need the juice to be ready for a Real guy becoming available. Is there a deal to be made with Kemba or Gordon right now to extend the window? Can anyone attainable actually slow down Giannis and not suck on offense? Ditto for Embiid. Can newly jacked Jon Isaac slow him down? Can't find the deal for Orlando but that's where my head's at.

[100proof]

Turner, poirier, green and a pick from atl to okc

Adams and bucks pick to atlanta

Can reddish to boston.

This opens up a roster spot to add waters or tacko to team full time and lets redish run off the bench with langford and grow together

[bucknersrevenge]

It's kinda tough to figure trades right now. Consider that we're 20-7 and we still haven't seen this team with a fully healthy roster yet. Hayward and Smart hopefully will be back tomorrow and then maybe we can see a few games and get an idea of where we are. And with all that, we're still missing Rob Williams who I'd be surprised if he was back before February. What is this group's ceiling right now? We have no idea.

[sam_I_am]

We are in a strange spot. 4th in O and 2nd in D per cleaning the glass(they remove garbage time). Genuinely can't believe the 2nd one.

You can only really win titles with a top 10 player. Tatum has not been efficient, but it's hard to overlook the fact that he's a fixture in all of the advanced plus minus stuff(13th in PIPM, 5th in RPM) and that's with the Usage going higher and higher and he's the one propping up the bench lineups. He started off frigid at the rim and in midrange and that was tanking his numbers, but he may fully make the leap if he gets to previous levels he'd hit in that aspect of his game combined with his other improvements. The off the dribble 3 stuff is elite territory. You're probably looking at a guy that is a perennial All-NBA guy at this point and it's more a question of whether it's 2 years off still or is happening already.

That's all good, but Kemba and Gordon turn 30 in March. Short guards(unless they're Chris Paul apparently) don't gracefully age and Hayward's future is tough to project. We feel like a flat track bully that beats up on the chaff of the league and only really matches up well against LAC out of the genuine contenders. Extending Jaylen already looks like an easy passing grade. Can't give up any 1sts or recent draft picks for those marginal gains guys that'll be on the market because we still need the juice to be ready for a Real guy becoming available. Is there a deal to be made with Kemba or Gordon right now to extend the window? Can anyone attainable actually slow down Giannis and not suck on offense? Ditto for Embiid. Can newly jacked Jon Isaac slow him down? Can't find the deal for Orlando but that's where my head's at.

Great post. I don’t think we have to worry about stopping Embiid as good as he is. I think you just try to run past him as the Sixers are not blocking anybody from a title in my opinion. GA is a different story. I want to think Isaac is a possible answer for Cs ( he seems to be a perfect trade target on paper ) but GA seems to destroy Orlando and Isaac even more than he does the rest of the league.

Watching Cs play Bucks and Sixers I come away with the impression that Bucks can crush us even though we beat them in impressive fashion and Sixers are very beatable even though we likely will start this year 0-3 against them.

[nzahir]

Outsider here:

According to Hollinger, you guys may be looking for another versatile wing, why?

Why not add a few pieces and get a nice big if possible, such as Capela, but I don't think Hou moves him.
Maybe Jakob or get Baynes Back.

Would Kuzma interest you guys at all? Take Semi's minutes. 1.8M this year, 3.5M next year, andd a low cap hold in 2021

[Celts17Pride]

Outsider here:

According to Hollinger, you guys may be looking for another versatile wing, why?

Why not add a few pieces and get a nice big if possible, such as Capela, but I don't think Hou moves him.
Maybe Jakob or get Baynes Back.

Would Kuzma interest you guys at all? Take Semi's minutes. 1.8M this year, 3.5M next year, andd a low cap hold in 2021

Celtics don’t like guys over 6’9”

[Curmudgeon]

Kuzma wouldn't interest me. No defense. Another "versatile wing" woudn't interest me either unless its Kawhi Leonard or Paul George.

The Celtics have the 3rd best record in the NBA even though they've played only 4-5 games with all of their top 5 players healthy. If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it.

[Celts17Pride]

Kuzma wouldn't interest me. No defense. Another "versatile wing" woudn't interest me either unless its Kawhi Leonard or Paul George.

The Celtics have the 3rd best record in the NBA even though they've played only 4-5 games with all of their top 5 players healthy. If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it.

Total guess but a guy like Alec Burk is what the Celtics are probably interested in acquiring. Low salary vet

[snowman]

How about this idea?

To Detroit:
Vincent Poirier
26 year old, 7-0, 235 lb C
1.7 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 0.3 apg in 4.8 minutes in 2019-2020

1st round pick from Milwaukee, through Boston, protected top 7.

To Boston:
Markieff Morris
30 year old, 6-10, 245 lb PF
11.1 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 1.7 apg in 23.0 minutes in 2019-2020

Why for Boston:
Boston get a tough interior defender in Morris, who is still capable of spreading the offence to 3 point range. Boston also doesn't have to give up any of our top 10 rotation players, but does give up a pick. This pick is going to be the last of the first round, thus eliminating a guaranteed salary for next season when we might not have room for them. ( we will also have our own 1st, and probably Memphis's and at most 2 open spots on the roster with Waters, and Maybe Fall along with the 2 picks left over to fill. If I'm not mistaken, 1st round picks can not be put on two way contracts.

Why for Detroit:
Detroit sheds some salary, gets a younger 7'0 center to groom, plus gains a 1st round pick. Detroit is way over salary cap, and every $ they shed is worth 2 in tax money. Since they are not going to make playoffs, they turn an older player into a younger, bigger player and a first round pick and save money.

[Higgs Boston]

I prefer edwards and ojeleye or poirier + 1-2 seconds x morris

[zoyathedestroya]

One of the better proposals on here. Kief is having a career shooting year -- 40+% from 3, near-60% TS%. Adds physicality, experience, and toughness to our bench. Less blackholey than his twin brother (I think). Adds another defender for the Giannis/Lebron/PG types.

Concern is he's in a contract year and might want more touches/shots as Rozier/Mook did last season.

Reality is we can't do earth-shattering, game-changing moves. But we can improve on the margins.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Sounds like teams are interested in acquiring Robert Covington. He'd be a nice 3 & D guy to add to the Celtics roster.

[100proof]

Outsider here:

According to Hollinger, you guys may be looking for another versatile wing, why?

Why not add a few pieces and get a nice big if possible, such as Capela, but I don't think Hou moves him.
Maybe Jakob or get Baynes Back.

Would Kuzma interest you guys at all? Take Semi's minutes. 1.8M this year, 3.5M next year, andd a low cap hold in 2021

It may be possible that if there are rumors that Boston is looking at versatile wings it is because they would make a deal trading some they currently have.