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minimus wrote:Jedzz wrote:It's do or die time.
Both KAT and Wiggins are 24yrs old. Culver, Okogie, KBD, Nowell, Reid even less.
southern wolf wrote:How many more seasons without playoffs will KAT put up with before he requests a trade though? There needs to be a bit of urgency for that reason.
tsherkin wrote:The important thing to take away here is that Klomp is wrong.
Esohny wrote:Why are you asking Klomp? "He's" actually a bot that posts random blurbs from a database.
Klomp wrote:I'm putting the tired in retired mod at the moment
southern wolf wrote:minimus wrote:Jedzz wrote:It's do or die time.
Both KAT and Wiggins are 24yrs old. Culver, Okogie, KBD, Nowell, Reid even less.
How many more seasons without playoffs will KAT put up with before he requests a trade though? There needs to be a bit of urgency for that reason.
Worm Guts wrote:southern wolf wrote:minimus wrote:
Both KAT and Wiggins are 24yrs old. Culver, Okogie, KBD, Nowell, Reid even less.
How many more seasons without playoffs will KAT put up with before he requests a trade though? There needs to be a bit of urgency for that reason.
If we can’t get to the playoffs with KAT, I’m not sure we should feel bad about trying something different.
Calinks wrote:I love KAT but I'd even trade him if I felt like I was getting a future superstar small. It's a must have player, NBA is designed around wings and guards.
tsherkin wrote:The important thing to take away here is that Klomp is wrong.
Esohny wrote:Why are you asking Klomp? "He's" actually a bot that posts random blurbs from a database.
Klomp wrote:I'm putting the tired in retired mod at the moment
Klomp wrote:Calinks wrote:I love KAT but I'd even trade him if I felt like I was getting a future superstar small. It's a must have player, NBA is designed around wings and guards.
Wing, probably.
Small, depends how small.
Liked him going back to his FL state days....came out probably too soon for the situation and/or team he ended up on that might stunt his 2nd contract? One could argue it also gave him time to develop & not flame out....but pretty confident that he ends up somewhere else next year in much larger role & in discussions for 'Most improved'.FinnTheHuman wrote:I want Malik Beasley. Too low minutes means low production means he won’t cost too much, but too good to cost very little. Throwing 13-15 mil at the guy per season for 4 years is what I’d easily do. He’s burried below Murray, Gary Harris, Monta Moriss, Barton in the rotation, but the kid will imo be better than any of them in a couple of years, that’s how high I’m on him. Might give us that 3rd star from the SG position if we take the risk. Wonder if he caught anybody else’s eye here?
Worm Guts wrote:southern wolf wrote:minimus wrote:
Both KAT and Wiggins are 24yrs old. Culver, Okogie, KBD, Nowell, Reid even less.
How many more seasons without playoffs will KAT put up with before he requests a trade though? There needs to be a bit of urgency for that reason.
If we can’t get to the playoffs with KAT, I’m not sure we should feel bad about trying something different.
southern wolf wrote:Worm Guts wrote:southern wolf wrote:
How many more seasons without playoffs will KAT put up with before he requests a trade though? There needs to be a bit of urgency for that reason.
If we can’t get to the playoffs with KAT, I’m not sure we should feel bad about trying something different.
We can get to the playoffs with KAT though, just not with the current supporting cast.
old school 34 wrote:Liked him going back to his FL state days....came out probably too soon for the situation and/or team he ended up on that might stunt his 2nd contract? One could argue it also gave him time to develop & not flame out....but pretty confident that he ends up somewhere else next year in much larger role & in discussions for 'Most improved'.FinnTheHuman wrote:I want Malik Beasley. Too low minutes means low production means he won’t cost too much, but too good to cost very little. Throwing 13-15 mil at the guy per season for 4 years is what I’d easily do. He’s burried below Murray, Gary Harris, Monta Moriss, Barton in the rotation, but the kid will imo be better than any of them in a couple of years, that’s how high I’m on him. Might give us that 3rd star from the SG position if we take the risk. Wonder if he caught anybody else’s eye here?
He to me is exactly the type of wings that Rosas is looking for...plays D...can hit a 3...& secondary play maker some. Maybe not star, but definitely championship worthy rotation guy...I feel.
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DaKidKG wrote:I do not envy the position that Rosas is in. It's becoming apparent that this team does not bring sustainable and consistent energy. Look at the performances immediately after the Jimmy Butler trade last year, and the first ~15 games of this season. When they're trying to send a message, they play like a playoff team. After a while though, the momentum wears off and we're back to playing lackluster low effort basketball (defense is about effort!).
Rosas can talk about changing the culture of this team and making it more analytically oriented. That is the right approach but I don't know how you can make our two best players change their stripes. When your two best players are inconsistent with their effort, I don't think you have any chance of winning a championship because the playoffs are a grind.
Hate to say it, but I'm teetering closer and closer to thinking we need to blow it up and rebuild.
tsherkin wrote:The important thing to take away here is that Klomp is wrong.
Esohny wrote:Why are you asking Klomp? "He's" actually a bot that posts random blurbs from a database.
Klomp wrote:I'm putting the tired in retired mod at the moment
Maybe come playoff time...his defense may not have cut it? He was good defensively as a freshman his one year & I'm sure he's gotten better as he wasn't quite ready to come out when he did (like he did offensively) & when I've watched...he's done well defensively but regular season.SmokeyPaw wrote:old school 34 wrote:Liked him going back to his FL state days....came out probably too soon for the situation and/or team he ended up on that might stunt his 2nd contract? One could argue it also gave him time to develop & not flame out....but pretty confident that he ends up somewhere else next year in much larger role & in discussions for 'Most improved'.FinnTheHuman wrote:I want Malik Beasley. Too low minutes means low production means he won’t cost too much, but too good to cost very little. Throwing 13-15 mil at the guy per season for 4 years is what I’d easily do. He’s burried below Murray, Gary Harris, Monta Moriss, Barton in the rotation, but the kid will imo be better than any of them in a couple of years, that’s how high I’m on him. Might give us that 3rd star from the SG position if we take the risk. Wonder if he caught anybody else’s eye here?
He to me is exactly the type of wings that Rosas is looking for...plays D...can hit a 3...& secondary play maker some. Maybe not star, but definitely championship worthy rotation guy...I feel.
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Watched him in the playoffs last year and he is really bad on defense. Lost off the ball and despite the athleticism bad on the ball. He's an off the bench scorer.
DaKidKG wrote:I do not envy the position that Rosas is in. It's becoming apparent that this team does not bring sustainable and consistent energy. Look at the performances immediately after the Jimmy Butler trade last year, and the first ~15 games of this season. When they're trying to send a message, they play like a playoff team. After a while though, the momentum wears off and we're back to playing lackluster low effort basketball (defense is about effort!).
Rosas can talk about changing the culture of this team and making it more analytically oriented. That is the right approach but I don't know how you can make our two best players change their stripes. When your two best players are inconsistent with their effort, I don't think you have any chance of winning a championship because the playoffs are a grind.
Hate to say it, but I'm teetering closer and closer to thinking we need to blow it up and rebuild.
Klomp wrote:I think KAT's "issues" have less to do with his physical and mental makeup and more to do with him being a big man in what's increasingly becoming a perimeter-oriented league.
And I'm not saying we need to take small-ball to yet another extreme. I'm saying maybe there's something to the fact that maybe big men don't win without a stud perimeter option on the team as well. Maybe it's smarter to allocate assets more toward the perimeter. And before I get Anthony Davis shoved down my throat, would he be having this kind of year without playing alongside LeBron? Unlikely.
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