Injuries: Expired Thread

[yazfan]

Bullet dodged with Hayward news. Still makes me weary.

What has me concerned on Hayward is he using his left leg differently after the ankle break?

Is this the result of that?

[cloverleaf]

Negative MR on metatarsal - phalangeal joint of L big toe & no stress fracture anywhere.
Extremely good news on Gordon.
Hopefully, he will be back for Xmas in Toronto after intensive local RX & NSAIDS.
PS Although not relevant to Gordon, that is a very common location for gouty arthritis.

This stuff w Marcus is very concerning.

To my non-ophthalmologic mind, this suggests his bilateral conjunctivitis is due to a resistant or difficult to treat organism such as a gram negative bacteria like pseudomonas or a bad ass virus like Herpes Simplex or even a fungus. This is unusual in an extraordinarily fit & healthy young man WITHOUT chronic disease and/or age resulting in relative immunodeficiency & thereby predisposing him to such an organism. It is also possible that he has contemporaneous infectious keratitis - harder to treat that conjunctivitis. Much much less likely would be a NON-infectious conjunctivitis and/or keratitis and/or scleritis and/or uveitis due to an autoimmune disease & other things. Unquestionably, he is being followed by world class ophthalmologists at MGH, the Brigham, BI, BU or Tufts etc. Sheesh,

As a completely non-medical person looking at this list, it seems as if a fungal keratitis is the only one listed that could take this long--and it could take a while longer:

https://www.healthline.com/health/infected-eye#keratitis.

Have sometimes seen Smart in glasses? Does that mean he might wear contacts, which could increase the likelihood of such, as well?

Fungal keratitis and/or conjunctivitis would be weird in a young healthy man.
I think it is probably a gram negative bacterial or viral b/l conjunctivitis and/or keratitis taking longer to resolve.
Yes - contacts are a known risk factor for keratitis.

Interesting, thanks. And I guess the good word today would fit with that.

[djFan71]

Can't wait for this lineup someday:

Kemba, Brown, Hayward, Tatum, Theis
Smart, Wanamaker, Langford, Pick-a-Williams, Kanter

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[zoyathedestroya]

I do not like the sound of this. Is this nerve pain thing a season-lasting issue or longer?

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[Slartibartfast]

Rando nerve pain that just happens to coincide with a massive prior injury?

Sounds like something that Gordon is going to be dealing with long-term.

[exculpatory]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28670914

https://www.google.com/search?q=innervation+of+the+foot&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari

Stevens has no **** idea what he is talking about. He is either really stupid medically speaking or trying to blow smoke.

This was a MASSiVE injury leading to MAJOR reconstructive surgery of the ankle. Multiple major nerves MUST have been damaged. GH will probably be dealing with pain or paresthesias (& even some degree of weakness) in his L foot for the rest of his life. The questions are: Is the discomfort tolerable enough for him to play professional basketball? How disabling are the symptoms?

[Higgs Boston]

Rando nerve pain that just happens to coincide with a massive prior injury?

Sounds like something that Gordon is going to be dealing with long-term.

I don't know if this is his case but when you have an injury and the part of the injury is healing or already healed it can affect to other things causing pain (little contact, little difference in position regarding the original place, lack of space, etc). That is likely the reason why he felt more pain when he stopped playing, when he was playing the exercise helped him to fix that a bit and recover the original structure. Cortisone should help hm to reduce the pain and expand the space in the place he feels the pain.

[exculpatory]

Rando nerve pain that just happens to coincide with a massive prior injury?

Sounds like something that Gordon is going to be dealing with long-term.

I don't know if this is his case but when you have an injury and the part of the injury is healing or already healed it can affect to other things causing pain (little contact, little difference in position regarding the original place, lack of space, etc). That is likely the reason why he felt more pain when he stopped playing, when he was playing the exercise helped him to fix that a bit and recover the original structure. Cortisone should help hm to reduce the pain and expand the space in the place he feels the pain.

Did you read what I just wrote?
Did you look at that directly applicable reference?
Did you look at the anatomy of the nerves?

More than likely, there is permanent nerve damage related to the original massive injury.
The question is ‘how tolerable are the sensory or motor consequences of the damage”.

The cortisone derivative injected reduces any inflammation that might also be present.
It does not fix the nerve damage.

[zoyathedestroya]

Weird thing is how was this not an issue the whole season last season? If this is related to his leg surgeries, I mean.

Increased stress on the leg? Increased minutes triggered this? He's averaging about 5 mpg more this season with no limitation to his movement prior to experiencing the pain.

[exculpatory]

Weird thing is how was this not an issue the whole season last season? If this is related to his leg surgeries, I mean.

It more than likely was.
He will have to deal with low grade symptoms FOREVER.

[Higgs Boston]

Rando nerve pain that just happens to coincide with a massive prior injury?

Sounds like something that Gordon is going to be dealing with long-term.

I don't know if this is his case but when you have an injury and the part of the injury is healing or already healed it can affect to other things causing pain (little contact, little difference in position regarding the original place, lack of space, etc). That is likely the reason why he felt more pain when he stopped playing, when he was playing the exercise helped him to fix that a bit and recover the original structure. Cortisone should help hm to reduce the pain and expand the space in the place he feels the pain.

Did you read what I just wrote?
Did you look at that directly applicable reference?
Did you look at the anatomy of the nerves?

More than likely, there is permanent nerve damage related to the original massive injury.
The question is ‘how tolerable are the sensory or motor consequences of the damage”.

The cortisone derivative injected reduces any inflammation that might also be present.
It does not fix the nerve damage.

Why are you talking like if I were replying to you or if I were saying a fact? as the message says in the beginning "I don't know if this is his case". We still don't know about what is happening, it's pure speculation, we will see.

[exculpatory]

I don't know if this is his case but when you have an injury and the part of the injury is healing or already healed it can affect to other things causing pain (little contact, little difference in position regarding the original place, lack of space, etc). That is likely the reason why he felt more pain when he stopped playing, when he was playing the exercise helped him to fix that a bit and recover the original structure. Cortisone should help hm to reduce the pain and expand the space in the place he feels the pain.

Did you read what I just wrote?
Did you look at that directly applicable reference?
Did you look at the anatomy of the nerves?

More than likely, there is permanent nerve damage related to the original massive injury.
The question is ‘how tolerable are the sensory or motor consequences of the damage”.

The cortisone derivative injected reduces any inflammation that might also be present.
It does not fix the nerve damage.

Why are you taling like if I were replying to you? as the message says in the beginning "I don't know if this is his case". We still don't know about what is happening, it's pure speculation, we will see.

Because what you wrote makes absolutely no sense whatsoever & you have no medical background.
Because, even though I am not an orthopedist, I have been practicing medicine for a long time & I provided very recent literature supporting my informed, educated speculation.

[KGboss]

Did you read what I just wrote?
Did you look at that directly applicable reference?
Did you look at the anatomy of the nerves?

More than likely, there is permanent nerve damage related to the original massive injury.
The question is ‘how tolerable are the sensory or motor consequences of the damage”.

The cortisone derivative injected reduces any inflammation that might also be present.
It does not fix the nerve damage.

Why are you taling like if I were replying to you? as the message says in the beginning "I don't know if this is his case". We still don't know about what is happening, it's pure speculation, we will see.

Because what you wrote makes absolutely no sense whatsoever & you have no medical background.
Because, even though I am not an orthopedist, I have been practicing medicine for a long time & I provided very recent literature supporting my informed, educated speculation.

Maybe he just missed your post, ex.

Have a shot...happy holidays

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[exculpatory]

Why are you taling like if I were replying to you? as the message says in the beginning "I don't know if this is his case". We still don't know about what is happening, it's pure speculation, we will see.

Because what you wrote makes absolutely no sense whatsoever & you have no medical background.
Because, even though I am not an orthopedist, I have been practicing medicine for a long time & I provided very recent literature supporting my informed, educated speculation.

Maybe he just missed your post, ex.

Have a shot...happy holidays

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I posted it 14 minutes after his original post.

Great **** idea.

I am going to.

And HH & HNY to you!

[zoyathedestroya]

Not great, Bob.

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[exculpatory]

Not great, Bob.

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GH in lay language just described EXACTLY what I posted above.
Chronic neuropathic pain consequent to permanent nerve damage consequent to a massive fracture-dislocation requiring ORIF.

[cloverleaf]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28670914

https://www.google.com/search?q=innervation+of+the+foot&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari

Stevens has no **** idea what he is talking about. He is either really stupid medically speaking or trying to blow smoke.

This was a MASSiVE injury leading to MAJOR reconstructive surgery of the ankle. Multiple major nerves MUST have been damaged. GH will probably be dealing with pain or paresthesias (& even some degree of weakness) in his L foot for the rest of his life. The questions are: Is the discomfort tolerable enough for him to play professional basketball? How disabling are the symptoms?

That first link is, er, unnerving.

If I were Gordon I'd be majorly bummed by the development. I hope he doesn't end up like McHale, living with chronic pain from his playing years. Somehow I don't see him going all Tom Brady and trying to play professionally until he is 45.

[exculpatory]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28670914

https://www.google.com/search?q=innervation+of+the+foot&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari

Stevens has no **** idea what he is talking about. He is either really stupid medically speaking or trying to blow smoke.

This was a MASSiVE injury leading to MAJOR reconstructive surgery of the ankle. Multiple major nerves MUST have been damaged. GH will probably be dealing with pain or paresthesias (& even some degree of weakness) in his L foot for the rest of his life. The questions are: Is the discomfort tolerable enough for him to play professional basketball? How disabling are the symptoms?

That first link is, er, unnerving.

If I were Gordon I'd be majorly bummed by the development. I hope he doesn't end up like McHale, living with chronic pain from his playing years. Somehow I don't see him going all Tom Brady and trying to play professionally until he is 45.

Look at the 4 risk factors increasing the likelihood of chronic neuropathic symptoms.
One of them is fracture - dislocation.

[Half-Full]

Did you read what I just wrote?
Did you look at that directly applicable reference?
Did you look at the anatomy of the nerves?

More than likely, there is permanent nerve damage related to the original massive injury.
The question is ‘how tolerable are the sensory or motor consequences of the damage”.

The cortisone derivative injected reduces any inflammation that might also be present.
It does not fix the nerve damage.

Why are you taling like if I were replying to you? as the message says in the beginning "I don't know if this is his case". We still don't know about what is happening, it's pure speculation, we will see.

Because what you wrote makes absolutely no sense whatsoever & you have no medical background.
Because, even though I am not an orthopedist, I have been practicing medicine for a long time & I provided very recent literature supporting my informed, educated speculation.

You were coming on a bit strong there. Here as well.