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Should Masai cut McCaw from the team?

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Re: Should Masai cut McCaw from the team? 

Post#41 » by Tanner » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:06 pm

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Tanner wrote:People saying to give McCaw a chance don't really follow basketball much. He's 24. Someone that age would have had to show something to give the impression that there is upside. What does McCaw have going for him where you can say "if he just developed XY he'd be good"? He's like the most below average looking player I have seen at everything he does. Not athletic, not a lockdown defender (despite his unwarranted rep), offensive game is non existent, doesn't show great handles, etc, etc. Where is the upside? What are you thinking he's going to develop into by playing him 30 minutes a night?

The irony of your first sentence :lol:

Why do you think the Warriors and now the Raptors have both tried to unlock McCaw? I just laugh when couch-bound savants go off like this.

I'll tell you what their coaching staffs see, it's been written about at length and you would know if you actually played or coached: he is good off the ball, executes rotations and switches well, has great size for a guard (6'7"), is agile and is pretty secure with the ball. His lack of assertiveness (on both ends) and shooting touch sabotages his performance too regularly.

Again, it may come together or it may not. Just stop with the age stuff though, one of the Raps' calling cards is refining players that may have traditionally been considered "too old" to continue developing. Pascal still showed tremendous growth when he was still 24, and yeah, that included skills that some never envisioned him having (eg. pull-up 3s above the break instead of just standing in the corner for them).


The fact that you just compared McCaw to Siakam actually proves my first sentence correct. I told you to name something that gives him the upside to warrant as many minutes as he's getting, and you gave up a laundry list of generalities. Siakam started playing ball late, but even when he was raw he was athletic, had a great motor, looked like a great defensive player in the making. He worked on his offensive game and improved, but there was still raw skills there that made you look at him at say "he might be a decent role player" even before he worked on his other things and became what he is today. How many guys came into the league looking like they were below average at everything in their first few years and suddenly became good at age 25 because they were "smart"?

What's his upside: "well he, um, rotates well, and um, ah, something about intangibles and being smart, doesn't make mistakes even though he provides no value on any side of the ball....". That's not a scouting report, that's a list of excuses. Pass those on to Nurse if anyone in the media has the guts to call him out for his McCaw love.
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Re: Should Masai cut McCaw from the team? 

Post#42 » by Par36 » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:19 pm

He deserves half the minutes he's getting but with the injuries..

Relax people.

TD is not ready for 25-30 mins a night-team needs NBA players.. what are you guys going in with is beyond me.
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Re: Should Masai cut McCaw from the team? 

Post#43 » by Badonkadonk » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:29 pm

Tanner wrote:
Badonkadonk wrote:
Tanner wrote:People saying to give McCaw a chance don't really follow basketball much. He's 24. Someone that age would have had to show something to give the impression that there is upside. What does McCaw have going for him where you can say "if he just developed XY he'd be good"? He's like the most below average looking player I have seen at everything he does. Not athletic, not a lockdown defender (despite his unwarranted rep), offensive game is non existent, doesn't show great handles, etc, etc. Where is the upside? What are you thinking he's going to develop into by playing him 30 minutes a night?

The irony of your first sentence :lol:

Why do you think the Warriors and now the Raptors have both tried to unlock McCaw? I just laugh when couch-bound savants go off like this.

I'll tell you what their coaching staffs see, it's been written about at length and you would know if you actually played or coached: he is good off the ball, executes rotations and switches well, has great size for a guard (6'7"), is agile and is pretty secure with the ball. His lack of assertiveness (on both ends) and shooting touch sabotages his performance too regularly.

Again, it may come together or it may not. Just stop with the age stuff though, one of the Raps' calling cards is refining players that may have traditionally been considered "too old" to continue developing. Pascal still showed tremendous growth when he was still 24, and yeah, that included skills that some never envisioned him having (eg. pull-up 3s above the break instead of just standing in the corner for them).


The fact that you just compared McCaw to Siakam actually proves my first sentence correct. I told you to name something that gives him the upside to warrant as many minutes as he's getting, and you gave up a laundry list of generalities. Siakam started playing ball late, but even when he was raw he was athletic, had a great motor, looked like a great defensive player in the making. He worked on his offensive game and improved, but there was still raw skills there that made you look at him at say "he might be a decent role player" even before he worked on his other things and became what he is today. Vince Carter out of college had an amazing first step that meant he could blow by anyone at will but worked on his other things. How many guys came into the league looking like they were below average at everything and suddenly became good because they were "smart"?

What's his upside: "well he, um, rotates well, and um, ah, something about intangibles and being smart, doesn't make mistakes even though he provides no value on any side of the ball....". That's not a scouting report, that's a list of excuses. Pass those on to Nurse if anyone in the media has the guts to call him out for his McCaw love.

It's a list of attributes coaches value. Answer my question: what do you think Nurse and Kerr saw in him that made it worth their interest? Why is he worth their time, but not yours? Just because you can't discern certain skills or potential, doesn't mean they don't exist.

Did you know Jerry West once said the following about McCaw?

People are going to be sorry they didn't draft McCaw


Couple of sources for you:
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Patrick-McCaw-71486/
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/jerry-west-people-are-gonna-be-sorry-they-didnt-draft-mccaw

This is likely McCaw's make or break season, hence they've roughly doubled his minutes (which were always very sparse). You can continue to say that you don't see anything worth trying to develop, but honestly man, that just speaks to your own ignorance and it's contrary to what some very smart basketball minds believe. You'll forgive me if I give them the benefit of the doubt over RealGM :lol:

As for the age thing, nice try with the red herring. I cited one example of a player who developed at 24 or older, but there are tons. The point wasn't to compare player vs. player, but rather highlight that it happens semi-regularly (some of my fave players: Chauncey Billups, Ben Wallace, Kyle) and that smart organizations will view this as a market inefficiency instead of dead end.
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Re: Should Masai cut McCaw from the team? 

Post#44 » by dalton749 » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:57 pm

Badonkadonk wrote:
Tanner wrote:
Badonkadonk wrote:The irony of your first sentence :lol:

Why do you think the Warriors and now the Raptors have both tried to unlock McCaw? I just laugh when couch-bound savants go off like this.

I'll tell you what their coaching staffs see, it's been written about at length and you would know if you actually played or coached: he is good off the ball, executes rotations and switches well, has great size for a guard (6'7"), is agile and is pretty secure with the ball. His lack of assertiveness (on both ends) and shooting touch sabotages his performance too regularly.

Again, it may come together or it may not. Just stop with the age stuff though, one of the Raps' calling cards is refining players that may have traditionally been considered "too old" to continue developing. Pascal still showed tremendous growth when he was still 24, and yeah, that included skills that some never envisioned him having (eg. pull-up 3s above the break instead of just standing in the corner for them).


The fact that you just compared McCaw to Siakam actually proves my first sentence correct. I told you to name something that gives him the upside to warrant as many minutes as he's getting, and you gave up a laundry list of generalities. Siakam started playing ball late, but even when he was raw he was athletic, had a great motor, looked like a great defensive player in the making. He worked on his offensive game and improved, but there was still raw skills there that made you look at him at say "he might be a decent role player" even before he worked on his other things and became what he is today. Vince Carter out of college had an amazing first step that meant he could blow by anyone at will but worked on his other things. How many guys came into the league looking like they were below average at everything and suddenly became good because they were "smart"?

What's his upside: "well he, um, rotates well, and um, ah, something about intangibles and being smart, doesn't make mistakes even though he provides no value on any side of the ball....". That's not a scouting report, that's a list of excuses. Pass those on to Nurse if anyone in the media has the guts to call him out for his McCaw love.

It's a list of attributes coaches value. Answer my question: what do you think Nurse and Kerr saw in him that made it worth their interest? Why is he worth their time, but not yours? Just because you can't discern certain skills or potential, doesn't mean they don't exist.

Did you know Jerry West once said the following about McCaw?

People are going to be sorry they didn't draft McCaw


Couple of sources for you:
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Patrick-McCaw-71486/
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/jerry-west-people-are-gonna-be-sorry-they-didnt-draft-mccaw

This is likely McCaw's make or break season, hence they've roughly doubled his minutes (which were always very sparse). You can continue to say that you don't see anything worth trying to develop, but honestly man, that just speaks to your own ignorance and it's contrary to what some very smart basketball minds believe. You'll forgive me if I give them the benefit of the doubt over RealGM :lol:

As for the age thing, nice try with the red herring. I cited one example of a player who developed at 24 or older, but there are tons. The point wasn't to compare player vs. player, but rather highlight that it happens semi-regularly (some of my fave players: Chauncey Billups, Ben Wallace, Kyle) and that smart organizations will view this as a market inefficiency instead of dead end.


The dude plays like delon with his balls cut off which is terrible considering that delon was way too passive himself.
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Re: Should Masai cut McCaw from the team? 

Post#45 » by nuggett » Fri Dec 27, 2019 2:11 am

It's like none of you realize....

That we are the f+cking champs. Nick Nurse, is weird, but he's an actual championship coach.

Nothing matters until the 16 games after the season.
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Re: Should Masai cut McCaw from the team? 

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Re: Should Masai cut McCaw from the team? 

Post#47 » by YoungG » Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:22 am

TheRealDeal wrote:Image


He's still Mc-Naw to me but he had a great game though.
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Re: Should Masai cut McCaw from the team? 

Post#48 » by Badonkadonk » Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:22 am

:lol: :lol:
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Re: Should Masai cut McCaw from the team? 

Post#49 » by mickie » Sun Dec 29, 2019 3:34 am

McCaw played well tonight and proved to all the haters he's an NBA talent.

If Stanley Johnson is better then why is he buried at the end of the bench?
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Re: Should Masai cut McCaw from the team? 

Post#50 » by OAKLEY_2 » Sun Dec 29, 2019 3:36 am

Just checked McCaw's numbers. Going into hiding.

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