2019-2020 Trade Deadline Thread

jambalaya · Post #181 » by **jambalaya** » Mon Dec 23, 2019 5:01 am

Yes, they should call. Presti will ask for a lot or say no. Re-signing might be a legit option. I dunno if Schroder would really consider or not. Highest offer probably wins. Is he happy? If yes or close to yes, he probably ought to consider staying carefully.

Post #182 » by **ThunderBolt** » Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:29 pm

When you look at the value of CP3, Gallo, Schroder and Adams as we get deeper in to trade season, we really couldn't ask for anything more.

Kizz Fastfists · Post #183 » by **Kizz Fastfists** » Mon Dec 23, 2019 3:53 pm

Old Man Game wrote:Not to be a prisoner of the moment but, I'm to the point where I'm surprised there aren't teams calling about Schroeder. Dude's played well in his role the last several weeks.

No one believe he magically learned how to shoot. They think it is just a hot shooting streak. The rest of his numbers are pretty much in line with his career.

jambalaya · Post #184 » by **jambalaya** » Mon Dec 23, 2019 8:39 pm

I'm buying Schroder's shooting improvement. His shooting and scoring efficiencies are only slightly above league average, so it isn't outlandish, unsustainable. I think it is more likely to stay there in his prime years than slide back. It looks good to my eyes.

Balkman32 · Post #185 » by **Balkman32** » Tue Dec 24, 2019 6:04 pm

jambalaya wrote:I'm buying Schroder's shooting improvement. His shooting and scoring efficiencies are only slightly above league average, so it isn't outlandish, unsustainable. I think it is more likely to stay there in his prime years than slide back. It looks good to my eyes.

The longer Schröder does this the more valuable he will be worth. I think they play this season out then they can look to offload of these guys. Gallo will most likely be signed and traded because there are only 4 teams that can sign him to a deal over $10 million a year, all of those teams will be picking in the top 10 of the draft this year. So I doubt Gallo would have any interest in signing with them unless it’s a massive overpay.

Old Man Game · Post #186 » by **Old Man Game** » Thu Dec 26, 2019 1:53 pm

Balkman32 wrote:
jambalaya wrote:I'm buying Schroder's shooting improvement. His shooting and scoring efficiencies are only slightly above league average, so it isn't outlandish, unsustainable. I think it is more likely to stay there in his prime years than slide back. It looks good to my eyes.

The longer Schröder does this the more valuable he will be worth. I think they play this season out then they can look to offload of these guys. Gallo will most likely be signed and traded because there are only 4 teams that can sign him to a deal over $10 million a year, all of those teams will be picking in the top 10 of the draft this year. So I doubt Gallo would have any interest in signing with them unless it’s a massive overpay.

Which 4 teams are you referring to just out of curiosity?

Balkman32 · Post #187 » by **Balkman32** » Thu Dec 26, 2019 2:50 pm

I believe its ATL, NYK, CLE & Memphis.

Maybe Memphis would push the chips in if they retain their pick this year but, I don't think they would go after Gallo since he plays the same position as Jackson. Maybe ATL would go after him, but I think they would rather a guy like Fournier who's 27. Plus there are a ton of teams with the dream to add Giannis. That would restrict them from going over a year on Gallo's contract. This is probably be Gallo's last big contract. Looking at those 4 teams I just don't see the fit for either side. But, there should be opportunities to do a sign and trade with the Thunder getting back draft assets and an expiring/bad contract.

Old Man Game · Post #188 » by **Old Man Game** » Thu Dec 26, 2019 3:12 pm

Balkman32 wrote:I believe its ATL, NYK, CLE & Memphis.

Maybe Memphis would push the chips in if they retain their pick this year but, I don't think they would go after Gallo since he plays the same position as Jackson. Maybe ATL would go after him, but I think they would rather a guy like Fournier who's 27. Plus there are a ton of teams with the dream to add Giannis. That would restrict them from going over a year on Gallo's contract. This is probably be Gallo's last big contract. Looking at those 4 teams I just don't see the fit for either side. But, there should be opportunities to do a sign and trade with the Thunder getting back draft assets and an expiring/bad contract.

Interesting.

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Pillendreher · Post #189 » by **Pillendreher** » Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:20 pm

jambalaya wrote:I'm buying Schroder's shooting improvement. His shooting and scoring efficiencies are only slightly above league average, so it isn't outlandish, unsustainable. I think it is more likely to stay there in his prime years than slide back. It looks good to my eyes.

The numbers are sort of outlandish when it comes to him though. These are his shooting splits relative to his career average prior to this season:

At the rim: +9.4 % (53.1 % prior, 62.5 % this season)
Short midrange: +0.0 % (36.6 % prior, 36.6 % this season)
Long midrange: +10.4 % (43.7 % prior, 54.1 % this season)
Corner 3s: +26.4 % (35.1 % prior, 61.5 % this season; on just 13 attempts though)
Above the break 3s: -0.01 % (32.2 % prior, 32.1 this season)

Is he going to keep that up?

Balkman32 · Post #190 » by **Balkman32** » Thu Dec 26, 2019 8:11 pm

Pillendreher wrote:
jambalaya wrote:I'm buying Schroder's shooting improvement. His shooting and scoring efficiencies are only slightly above league average, so it isn't outlandish, unsustainable. I think it is more likely to stay there in his prime years than slide back. It looks good to my eyes.

The numbers are sort of outlandish when it comes to him though. These are his shooting splits relative to his career average prior to this season:

At the rim: +9.4 % (53.1 % prior, 62.5 % this season)
Short midrange: +0.0 % (36.6 % prior, 36.6 % this season)
Long midrange: +10.4 % (43.7 % prior, 54.1 % this season)
Corner 3s: +26.4 % (35.1 % prior, 61.5 % this season; on just 13 attempts though)
Above the break 3s: -0.01 % (32.2 % prior, 32.1 this season)

Is he going to keep that up?

I think he could keep up the shooting at the rim. The long mid-range is not sustainable. If the corner 3's can be above 40% that would be a huge plus.

He worked his tail off in the offseason and the Thunder are putting the ball in his hand more. He has been great this season.

jambalaya · Post #191 » by **jambalaya** » Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:29 pm

I mostly believe in the at the rim improvement as well. But it should be noted that his at the rim frequency is way down so this is proportionally now more about transition scoring. While this is sustainable, it is less impressive and may not really have improvement involved.

Long 2s he might keep half the gain. He has been good from medium and long-range before. The general trend (except for last season) has been up for him from those distances. His career averages are pulled down by some bad years in bad environments with not the right approach.

I hadn't noticed the 3 PT detail. Not as good above the break as I thought. The corner 3s did inflate the average. Thanks for drawing attention to that.

So the story is more complicated but I still mostly believe he can play at near this level. Maybe not anywhere but more likely than not imo.

Dn4sty · Post #192 » by **Dn4sty** » Fri Dec 27, 2019 5:33 pm

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No, unless those people player(s) can be controlled after this season

Post #193 » by **ThunderBolt** » Fri Dec 27, 2019 6:31 pm

Dn4sty wrote:

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No, unless those people player(s) can be controlled after this season

I would like Bill Simmons to not give advice on what he thinks okc should do.

Dn4sty · Post #194 » by **Dn4sty** » Fri Dec 27, 2019 6:33 pm

ThunderBolt wrote:
Dn4sty wrote:

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No, unless those people player(s) can be controlled after this season

I would like Bill Simmons to not give advice on what he thinks okc should do.

Im just waiting for another Harden reference

Post #195 » by **ThunderBolt** » Sat Dec 28, 2019 10:16 pm

Phoenix Suns seem like a team that could be willing to move just about anyone on the roster. Does anyone on their roster have any appeal? Reading the Ayton thread on their board kind of killed any intrigue I had with him.

jambalaya · Post #196 » by **jambalaya** » Sun Dec 29, 2019 12:17 am

I'd offer quite a bit for Mikal Bridges but they probably are not willing. Saric would take a careful review. Kaminski would not be a target but might be ok in a big deal. I doubt they'd move Cam Johnson but he'd be ok taking about. Diallo is also ok for consideration. So is Okobo. Tyler Johnson is only salary ballast.

They probably want to move T Johnson. Maybe Saric. I kinda doubt they are very willing to move others but it comes down to the specifics.

Post #197 » by **ThunderBolt** » Sun Dec 29, 2019 12:26 am

jambalaya wrote:I'd offer quite a bit for Mikal Bridges but they probably are not willing. Saric would take a careful review. Kaminski would not be a target but might be ok in a big deal. I doubt they'd move Cam Johnson but he'd be ok taking about. Diallo is ok forconsideration. So is Okobo. Tyler Johnson is only salary ballast.

They probably want to move T Johnson. Maybe Saric. I kinda doubt they are very willing to move others but it comes down to the specifics.

Phx wants to make the playoffs and I’ve seen a lot of talk about gallo. I like bridges as well but not sure that gallo+pick is worth it.

jambalaya · Post #198 » by **jambalaya** » Sun Dec 29, 2019 1:48 am

B-Ref gives them a 15% chance of making playoffs. If they are going for it, they need to trade quick & significant.

Saric is a lot about next contract cost and how many minutes the Thunder would give him long-term. Could do worse, might do better. We'll see which.

thor19 · Post #199 » by **thor19** » Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:04 am

If we can trade gallo and burton or a second round for tyler j , mikal bridges and dario saric is perfect gallo is a better player but is older saric is ok and is younger, and we can give bridges more minutes ferguson is not playing maybe he can get the sf spot the only problem is we are going to have many combo guards in tyler j , dennis, shai, and ferguson, diallo at the sg spot

jambalaya · Post #200 » by **jambalaya** » Sun Dec 29, 2019 3:12 am

They shouldn't trade for Saric unless they plan to give him a 3 year market rate deal and expect him to take it and play 30 minutes per game. Or plan to trade him again. Soon or later.